New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
twold said:
TVR used to traditionally have a unique appearance,instantly recogniseable as being 'different' if you get my meaning....and some of them generally considered to be visually stunning in their time.Now everything has to look similar-ish,fit into a certain 'box' for fear of scaring buyers away.The New Griffith is in my opinion neatly ,politely,acceptingly sitting in its 'box' chosen by accountants.
Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
Biggest selling TVR was the one that had the retro looks though. Even the Griff was retro. Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
The T cars were the ones that arguably had their own unique look and were on sale for around 10% of TVRs existence. And the most extravagant edition of that short lived genre only sold a few hundred.
The terrible reality of the real world can be seen swamping the roads today and that is that everyone really wants a grey car that looks like everything else.
twold said:
Penelope Stopit said:
TVR should give buyers the option of having that big hole in the front decorated
Looks a bit 'US of A',but even that tongue in cheek effort somehow looks marginally better
Driller said:
Nothing personal but the fact that you didn’t post a photo of the front speaks volumes.
I remember the first time I saw a TVR. A burgundy Griff at Castle Combe racing circuit in 1992. My jaw just dropped at its amazing beauty but also it’s unique and outlandish styling.
This is what TVR is all about.
I just couldn’t stop looking at it and said there and then that one day I would own one, which I did in 2001.
It’s a crying shame that the new “Griffith” is unable to provoke these emotions, rather leaving one with a disappointed feeling with that front end.
I think that’s the reason why some of us are like a stuck record on this new car, because of this disappointment.
speaks volumes.. no.. I just didn't have one to hand (mobile phone).. I've posted loads of the front previously(from my PC. I like it. so will buy one, as is. I remember the first time I saw a TVR. A burgundy Griff at Castle Combe racing circuit in 1992. My jaw just dropped at its amazing beauty but also it’s unique and outlandish styling.
This is what TVR is all about.
I just couldn’t stop looking at it and said there and then that one day I would own one, which I did in 2001.
It’s a crying shame that the new “Griffith” is unable to provoke these emotions, rather leaving one with a disappointed feeling with that front end.
I think that’s the reason why some of us are like a stuck record on this new car, because of this disappointment.
This I think looks like a stunning well resolved bit of car design. Still not entirely sure the wheels work though.
This looks like a grumpy frowning man with a handlebar moustache and is in my opinion a bit of a dogs dinner.
Unfortunately you can't spend your life staring at your car from the rear 3/4 position with your left eye closed.
This looks like a grumpy frowning man with a handlebar moustache and is in my opinion a bit of a dogs dinner.
Unfortunately you can't spend your life staring at your car from the rear 3/4 position with your left eye closed.
FWIW I think the back is pretty cool now, in spite of comparing it to Marvin the Paranoid Android in the past.
I’ll say one more thing before I let it go: did the earlier models look really bad in any particular colour? I don’t think they did or maybe no worse than somewhat less good depending on taste.
Whereas with the new car we hear “maybe if we do this to it or have it in this colour it will look ok”.
Frankly, I can’t see how anyone can spend that kind of money on a car with this less than satisfactory aesthetic situation.
I couldn’t. Hopefully someone’s listening.
I’ll say one more thing before I let it go: did the earlier models look really bad in any particular colour? I don’t think they did or maybe no worse than somewhat less good depending on taste.
Whereas with the new car we hear “maybe if we do this to it or have it in this colour it will look ok”.
Frankly, I can’t see how anyone can spend that kind of money on a car with this less than satisfactory aesthetic situation.
I couldn’t. Hopefully someone’s listening.
DonkeyApple said:
Biggest selling TVR was the one that had the retro looks though. Even the Griff was retro.
The T cars were the ones that arguably had their own unique look and were on sale for around 10% of TVRs existence. And the most extravagant edition of that short lived genre only sold a few hundred.
The terrible reality of the real world can be seen swamping the roads today and that is that everyone really wants a grey car that looks like everything else.
Absolute nonsense! Creativity is the art form that delights those unaware of what they will desire in the future. The Griff may have been retro, however, it was exquisitely styled and stood out like a sore thumb in 1991. Plus, it's band for buck was unmatched. The Porsche Boxster etc dictated that the impact that the Griff had, wasn't/isn't going to be repeated. £100K greyness, seriously?The T cars were the ones that arguably had their own unique look and were on sale for around 10% of TVRs existence. And the most extravagant edition of that short lived genre only sold a few hundred.
The terrible reality of the real world can be seen swamping the roads today and that is that everyone really wants a grey car that looks like everything else.
The good news I suppose is that if the car remains the same if production finally starts, is that the potential for styling upgrades will be enormous. If any customers will allow me to 3D scan their cars, I will have a go. The front end will be straightforward, but the rest would be more costly to sort out. I would need to be convinced that more than a few examples will be made before committing though, and right now I am not convinced at all.
spagbogdog said:
DonkeyApple said:
America is a really dodgy country to sell cars into. TVR got spanked many moons ago on some regulatory or tax change, Lotus got bailed in 2015 and had to stop selling cars due to a regulatory change.
On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
Engine and transmission are american...ice-cream factory..ooops..IStream factory can "pop-up" anywhere according to Les...which significantly de-risks the project. American trade deal with Trump on the cards...Maybe..just maybe...they could pull this off ....On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
GB8CH said:
Absolute nonsense! Creativity is the art form that delights those unaware of what they will desire in the future. The Griff may have been retro, however, it was exquisitely styled and stood out like a sore thumb in 1991. Plus, it's band for buck was unmatched. The Porsche Boxster etc dictated that the impact that the Griff had, wasn't/isn't going to be repeated. £100K greyness, seriously?
Bang for buck indeed. But we aren’t in that world today are we? Nip onto autotrader and look for a £100k car that isn’t monochrome and ubiquitous. Different world and different segment. And nor can you deny that the more extravagant the TVR the less it sold. The Sagaris tells you all you need to know about the higher tier purchases. It’s all there, clear as day in the history books. The company may be remembered for the most outlandish models but it was the least outlandish models that made the company. You can’t change history or facts however much you dream. Their problems stemmed from the poor reliability. Engine and drivetrain fails were very prevalent and bodywork was naff. T cars looked cool in the showroom but nobody trusted them back then..hence sales went elsewhere (and rightly so).
I think it’s fair to get the new car into perspective. It’s £90k...(and nowhere near Ferrari money). To be ‘bomb-proof’ quality it makes perfect sense to buy in the engine and gearbox.
PH is absolutely littered with threads on ‘how to fix’..which only serves to fuel the ‘kit-car’ image. TVR need to get away from this past image.
I think it’s fair to get the new car into perspective. It’s £90k...(and nowhere near Ferrari money). To be ‘bomb-proof’ quality it makes perfect sense to buy in the engine and gearbox.
PH is absolutely littered with threads on ‘how to fix’..which only serves to fuel the ‘kit-car’ image. TVR need to get away from this past image.
spagbogdog said:
Their problems stemmed from the poor reliability. Engine and drivetrain fails were very prevalent and bodywork was naff. T cars looked cool in the showroom but nobody trusted them back then..hence sales went elsewhere (and rightly so).
I think it’s fair to get the new car into perspective. It’s £90k...(and nowhere near Ferrari money). To be ‘bomb-proof’ quality it makes perfect sense to buy in the engine and gearbox.
PH is absolutely littered with threads on ‘how to fix’..which only serves to fuel the ‘kit-car’ image. TVR need to get away from this past image.
True. But we’re discussing the aspect that some feel the new car isn’t lairy enough for a TVR, whereas I am just pointing out that it was the least lairy TVRs that always sold in the highest numbers and that frankly if you go into AutoTrader and search for £100k cars you’d be hard pushed to find cars that weren’t shades of monochrome and of very ubiquitous looks. Just because a few people want lairy looking, orange cars doesn’t mean there is a valid business case for it in a world where the vast majority of buyers of £100k cars want grey cars that are the same basic shape as Barry’s minicab down on the estate. Try and buy an Aston, Porsche, Merc, BMW, Jag that isn’t monochrome. Even Ferrari renters are opting for monochrome when they dare to deviate from red. I think it’s fair to get the new car into perspective. It’s £90k...(and nowhere near Ferrari money). To be ‘bomb-proof’ quality it makes perfect sense to buy in the engine and gearbox.
PH is absolutely littered with threads on ‘how to fix’..which only serves to fuel the ‘kit-car’ image. TVR need to get away from this past image.
Most people are pretty boring and just want to blend in with everyone else but will pay to have a badge on their utility transport that advertises that they are superior. I think the new Griff is lairy enough and that the more lairy you make it the fewer sales there will be.
DonkeyApple said:
The terrible reality of the real world can be seen swamping the roads today and that is that everyone really wants a grey car that looks like everything else.
Probably the most sensible thing ever written in PH! I feel sad for my children growing up in a world where everything is essentially the same except for marketing and any individuality is almost frowned on.PuffsBack said:
Although I did take my daughter to school in the Sagaris the other day and all I got from her was as she was getting out "Daddy, everybody's looking"
Sometimes, if I’m in a real hurry on a domestic errand then I’ll take the wife’s car as no one would ever stop to chat about a battered 120D. Although if someone did I think I would soil myself in fear at the kind of deranged lunatic who stood before me. 
As with everything, the more individual you make something look, the less the masses will like it.
Personally I like the look of the original 'next generation' car from TVR and I think this new one looks a lot like it albeit without the admittedly cool looking front. I thought the last efforts for a next gen car (the T440/ Typhon) was pug ugly, even in the flesh but some people loved it.
https://cdn2.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/styles/gall...
Personally I like the look of the original 'next generation' car from TVR and I think this new one looks a lot like it albeit without the admittedly cool looking front. I thought the last efforts for a next gen car (the T440/ Typhon) was pug ugly, even in the flesh but some people loved it.
https://cdn2.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/styles/gall...
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