New TVR still under wraps!

New TVR still under wraps!

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spagbogdog

764 posts

261 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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GB8CH said:
spagbogdog said:
..since when does making a car bigger make it more desirable...????scratchchinscratchchinscratchchin
Perceived value is greater if scale is increased. The Sagaris is about 15% too small imho. Especially in terms of length.
The new Griff appears 15% bigger than a Sag...

Graham007

36 posts

81 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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Well the question is... how many have actually cancelled there deposits...? It is very easy to focus attention to the 'few' who have on here.. but in reality I suspect its a very very small number, and some of those may have due change in circumstances rather than I don't like it/ want it..
I also suspect there are an equal or greater number on the waitlist who have grabbed their place!!

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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I remember the Tuscan being absolutely hated by all and sundry TVR 'supporters' back in the day, when it was launched.. roundly trashed, as was Tamora. And the Sagaris was a very marmite reaction.. T350 had the most positive reaction. Still the prettiest TVR imho

Piha

7,150 posts

93 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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I was wondering why a shed load of TVRs drove past as I was enjoying the Scarlett Arms' garden yesterday! And I did wonder if I saw the new TVR drive past? It seems I did, and it looked fabulous, as did all the other wonderful cars that drove past yesterday afternoon. The noise was glorious too!

When I saw the photos of the new car on here I was a little underwhelmed but yesterday it looked (and sounded) great. clap

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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The new Griff was parked next to a sag. In my estimation they were the same length but the new griff was about 6 inches taller. No doubt the Griff cabin is more spacious.

Seeing all the cars there together it confirmed my thoughts that the T350 is the nicest looking of the old TVRs.

Testarossa

1,050 posts

222 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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Sounds like the tide has turned and people are liking the new griff. I’m not going to change my mind until I’ve driven it and washed it.

To me, it may have 21st century mechanicals and manufacturing processes but the looks are still from the last century. It (may) have moved on from old tvr but not quite caught up with its competitors.

Having a car that that excels in everything apart from looks, which is subjective, will be something I can live with.

I just wish les had taken more risks and led rather than followed.

Sardonicus

18,967 posts

222 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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Graham007 said:
All the cars were beautifully turned out and excelled in their looks as classic TVRs.

The new Griff. Like a few people have said before, see it in the flesh and it really makes sense. I really couldn’t fault it, it looked perfect in this setting amongst its older siblings.

Its lines, stance , colour and size all coordinated really well.

Compare it to the Porsche Turbo S’s that were there and it really stands out.

People complain that it isn’t like a sag, of course not it is a modern car fit for this time.

When you see all these cars together side-by-side you realise that a wedge looks 1970s , a chim and a griff look dated, the T350 and sag look good but still of a decade+ in the past and the new griff looks and is bang up to date.

Given the choice, give me the new griff keys any day.

Those who say they prefer the old griff need to have their heads examined!

EXACTLY!!
I totally agree with you.... TVR's of the past are exactly that, and classics for what they are... cars of their era... This is a TVR for today which has to be a little less extreme than of old. TVR today has to be a viable business and can't survive as the niche of old. Of course the car isn't for everyone.. why would it be...same applies to all cars! The tendency is for the happy deposit holders to just sit back, relax and quietly get excited about whats coming, whilst those with a grudge tend to vent online and some may talk it down to justify their decision. I'd ask when you have seen it for real did it positively surprise you? It did for me... massively!!!
I'd got hung up on the negativity here which has now all but been forgotten.. as with all cars some angles appeal more to me than others and thats personal....The new car to me has definitely got it... next stage how does it go.... well I will eat my hat if Gordon Murray lets us down on that one...... Seems once the first customer car rolls out the factory we have a very desirable TVR.... for many but not all!
WOW he nailed it thumbup


Driller

8,310 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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Sardonicus said:
as with all cars some angles appeal more to me than others and thats personal
Yes, because a good front angle view is optional and doesn’t really matter.

swisstoni

17,063 posts

280 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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Testarossa said:
Sounds like the tide has turned and people are liking the new griff. I’m not going to change my mind until I’ve driven it and washed it.

To me, it may have 21st century mechanicals and manufacturing processes but the looks are still from the last century. It (may) have moved on from old tvr but not quite caught up with its competitors.

Having a car that that excels in everything apart from looks, which is subjective, will be something I can live with.

I just wish les had taken more risks and led rather than followed.
First of all, hats off for putting your money where your mouth is.

Secondly I’m not sure what this car’s competitors are: if we are looking at Porsche or Audi at this price point then they haven’t changed their designs for either ever in Porches case or 2006 in terms of the R8.
So the TVR design isn’t that conservative in this company.

Finally surely Les had to be a bit safe with this first car, mechanically and design wise to get the company launched.
I’m looking forward to some wilder stuff in the future - I’m sure they have a few tucked away.

Anyway, I really think you will enjoy this monster you can use every day.

bullittmcqueen

1,256 posts

92 months

Sunday 30th September 2018
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BJWoods said:
bullittmcqueen said:
Very cool pics, thanks. Great to see it without it at last.

But at least from the photos it doesn't look down, but totally gone. The new lid seems to be one piece and there are no visible lines. Guess the mechanism is still in the works and they simply wanted to show it without spoiler (as i am sure it will be there in the final car).
Zoom in.. a very visible line.. seen in person
Now i see it, thanks. I was somehow looking for a line across the lid, but the wing covers the entire lid, that's why it's not there.
Looks way better with the wing down. It looks great in this natural environment and with other cars nearby.

rev-erend

21,421 posts

285 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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swisstoni said:
If anything, the Sagaris got a worse reception on PH than this new car.

The Tamora got similar treatment. ‘Prolapsed arse’ was a turn of phrase someone used to describe the rear end. That has stayed with me hehe
You can see a doctor for that ...

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Zeb74

380 posts

130 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Testarossa said:
Looks nicer. Anybody know why there is a seam above the rear side windows? Will it be carried over for the production model do you think?
It's a good idea to have an easy to change rear fender panel. But now that you've put the finger on it, I will only see this smile

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Zeb74 said:
It's a good idea to have an easy to change rear fender panel. But now that you've put the finger on it, I will only see this smile
To make smaller sections, easier to produce..?
the panels will be carbon on the Launch Edition.

spagbogdog

764 posts

261 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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BJWoods said:
Size is relative!?

Yes.....the grill / hole in the Chimp behind looks identical to the new Griff....????????????

spagbogdog

764 posts

261 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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BJWoods said:
A picture from Gatton Manor today

notice anything...

sorry...in this photo....

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Here is a proper photograph, yep I agree, the openings look identical and follow the true TVR heritage. wink


Zeb74

380 posts

130 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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BJWoods said:
To make smaller sections, easier to produce..?
the panels will be carbon on the Launch Edition.
Or you can have carbon fibre for the roof only and GRP for fenders (for future editions)...


spagbogdog

764 posts

261 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Zeb74 said:
BJWoods said:
To make smaller sections, easier to produce..?
the panels will be carbon on the Launch Edition.
Or you can have carbon fibre for the roof only and GRP for fenders (for future editions)...
Or...maybe a Targa-Tuscan-type top in the future...???

Zeb74

380 posts

130 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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spagbogdog said:
Or...maybe a Targa-Tuscan-type top in the future...???
But the seam is a bit too low for that I think

spagbogdog

764 posts

261 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Zeb74 said:
spagbogdog said:
Or...maybe a Targa-Tuscan-type top in the future...???
But the seam is a bit too low for that I think
Yes..your'e quite right...would need to be higher to enclose the 3/4 window wouldn't it..well spotted yesyesyes
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