New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
RiknRoll said:
I actually requested exhaust valves also, would be somewhat useful when I don't want to make quite so much noise, like when leaving at 5am in the morning!
I was happy for fancy leather and stereo and such, I'm not as keen on loads of body kits and engine tuning. I mean, it probably won't need more power and honestly I don't want to have to spend another x thousand because there are "must have" power upgrades that just aren't needed, when you have 500bhp on tap on a light chassis anyway.
This. I want a car that stands out, but I'm not blowing more money on it, and I want to be able to use it every day on normal roads and for long continental jaunts (assuming we're still allowed over there). I have no intention of trying to be the most powerful/biggest wings etc. as that is a losing game mentally and financially. I will be faster and more "stand-out" than 99.9% of anything else on the road, the 0.1% who think they have bigger willies I can live with.I was happy for fancy leather and stereo and such, I'm not as keen on loads of body kits and engine tuning. I mean, it probably won't need more power and honestly I don't want to have to spend another x thousand because there are "must have" power upgrades that just aren't needed, when you have 500bhp on tap on a light chassis anyway.
pincher said:
Not seen the questionnaire for obvious reasons but has anyone stopped to ponder the fact that they may make a case for delaying actually building a car due to ‘overwhelming customer demand’ for this change and that change, that then needs to be added to what was a fairly ‘final’ design?
It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Or do I need the biggest parrot know to man?
I don't mind the delays if I'm going to end up with the car of my dreams. If they decide on a "can't please them all" attitude, whether it comes out tomorrow or in 2030, I won't be buying it , because now I know they can do better and I don't want to settle for a lesser vehicle anymore. I accept my tastes are different from other deposit holders (apart from Spag It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Or do I need the biggest parrot know to man?
) so I'm not bitter, but if I have to compromise for the Griffith, I may as well compromise with the AMG GTR, Lambo, Ferrari or Aston.TVR Griffith (in current guise)
COMPROMISES: Too slim, Too high, Too conservative (all these can be sorted Les!)
AMG GTR
COMPROMISES: Not a fan of the rear wing, Auto
Aventador S:
COMPROMISES: Will look like a dick most of the time, will hardly drive it, Auto
Vanquish S
COMPROMISES: Auto
I also don't think spiders would suit, I would go for those aftermarket type wheels you see on Sagaris' (Jade R I think).
My perfect spec would be;
Carbon Fibre body, wide body kit, mad bonnet, fixed rear spoiler (not crazy mad,but something like a 996 gt2 rear wing) lightweight seats, nice carpet, nice quality materials (leather/alcantara) wider tyres with unique concave alloys.
I would still consider
The above with luxury interior, switchable exhaust
or
The above with luxury interior, switchable exhaust and all the safety gizmos you get in any new car nowadays.
If the car stays the same, but is amazing to drive, I'm going to get it in some form of grey and just bore everyone that confronts me by quoting the stats to defend my purchase!
Konrod said:
B17NNS said:
Have deposit holders been sworn to secrecy or something?
Any reason why the questionnaire hasn't been posted on here?
Be interesting to see it.
Nope. It's an online surveymonkey job linked from the e-mail, so not easy to just post. Access requires £5000............ Any reason why the questionnaire hasn't been posted on here?
Be interesting to see it.
Testarossa said:
I have a butchered version, but don't want to be responsible for all the vitriol and arguments that may arise from posting it, if nobody else copied the survey into word, I'm going to pat myself on the back!
You know you want to. Post that sucker up in the interest of TVR humanity 
pincher said:
Not seen the questionnaire for obvious reasons but has anyone stopped to ponder the fact that they may make a case for delaying actually building a car due to ‘overwhelming customer demand’ for this change and that change, that then needs to be added to what was a fairly ‘final’ design?
It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Echoes my post yesterday, this has descended the PH Massive into fantasy farce again. Redesigning a car that last week was still potentially a mirage without anything concrete to say that’s not still the case.It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Priorities in order:
Factory
‘Big news’
Factory
Programme for production
Then faffing about with dream options
V6 Pushfit said:
pincher said:
Not seen the questionnaire for obvious reasons but has anyone stopped to ponder the fact that they may make a case for delaying actually building a car due to ‘overwhelming customer demand’ for this change and that change, that then needs to be added to what was a fairly ‘final’ design?
It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Echoes my post yesterday, this has descended the PH Massive into fantasy farce again. Redesigning a car that last week was still potentially a mirage without anything concrete to say that’s not still the case.It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Priorities in order:
Factory
‘Big news’
Factory
Programme for production
Then faffing about with dream options
It does seem to add more confusion though. Even rare fans of the original shape like spag seem to be now set on some unlikely redesign of the car (based entirely on a PlayStation game) instead.
Aren’t these questions about different designs the kind of thing focus groups should have been asked years ago?
Seems like they’ve designed a car that’s had a lukewarm response so now they’re asking people who actually liked it what they can do to make it look better? The problem is of course that then original depositors become set on some possible better looking fantasy version of the car, not the one actually available.
El stovey said:
V6 Pushfit said:
pincher said:
Not seen the questionnaire for obvious reasons but has anyone stopped to ponder the fact that they may make a case for delaying actually building a car due to ‘overwhelming customer demand’ for this change and that change, that then needs to be added to what was a fairly ‘final’ design?
It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Echoes my post yesterday, this has descended the PH Massive into fantasy farce again. Redesigning a car that last week was still potentially a mirage without anything concrete to say that’s not still the case.It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Priorities in order:
Factory
‘Big news’
Factory
Programme for production
Then faffing about with dream options
It does seem to add more confusion though. Even rare fans of the original shape like spag seem to be now set on some unlikely redesign of the car (based entirely on a PlayStation game) instead.
Aren’t these questions about different designs the kind of thing focus groups should have been asked years ago?
Seems like they’ve designed a car that’s had a lukewarm response so now they’re asking people who actually liked it what they can do to make it look better? The problem is of course that then original depositors become set on some possible better looking fantasy version of the car, not the one actually available.
If I were to give Les the benefit of the doubt - I would say he has compromised his vision to keep Mr Murray on side. Mr M does bring some kudos, but is it enough to guarantee success?
Les should have some frank discussions and if Gordon is unwilling to move on the looks and dimensions, sales figures will prove who had the better grasp of what the customer wanted. Sadly, Les will never have the chance to be proved right because TVR will fold before he gets the opportunity to find a new partner.
Let's wait for the renders on the website, that will be make or break for me and I guess a few others.
M4tti, if the renders upset me, I will post the survey. I really liked the questions, thought it was well considered and I felt, it answered all my concerns - but like many are saying, it may just have been delaying tactics and decisions have already been made!
My builder blamed brexit for not getting some materials today ! Sounds familiar ! I applaud the members optimistic approach on here. But if you take the telegraph article with a pinch of salt and read between the lines there are serious issues with this company. My bet is that the hold up with the factory is purely because the company cannot prove it has a viable future without funding in place. Without this there will be no factory and worse still as the government loan could be recalled ! There is utterly no way there will be any options of different option packages . I have seen the questionnaire and am astounded to see it at this late stage. Normally it’s done at the beginning ! More interestingly schmee instantly endorsed it ! I believe his order has been jumped up the list ! Will leave him to confirm . Seriously , if you are a deposit holder look objectively at this . And to those that call me a troll- most of the comments come from various small investors in the company . What I will say is that all my predictions appear to sadly be coming true . My bet is the company will not survive in this format and be reborn again down the line .
If it actually gives you all some tinkering and customisation options to make changes to your cars then it’s a fantastic option. Perhaps Istream or these hints about new processes enable this? Possible but unlikely.
If this is the case, then I’ll order one. I’d love a made to order griff where we had a range of options about things like the arches and grille and lights etc.
If it gives you all unrealistic expectations about being able to alter the design and just more delays, then it’s a bit rubbish really.
I think it’s unlikely that it’s taken so long to get the car as it it now and then people would be able to make many changes to how it looks. Hopefully I’m wrong and soon we’ll see computer images of all of your fantastic individual cars all looking different and having, your own personality sewn into the final car.
If this is the case, then I’ll order one. I’d love a made to order griff where we had a range of options about things like the arches and grille and lights etc.
If it gives you all unrealistic expectations about being able to alter the design and just more delays, then it’s a bit rubbish really.
I think it’s unlikely that it’s taken so long to get the car as it it now and then people would be able to make many changes to how it looks. Hopefully I’m wrong and soon we’ll see computer images of all of your fantastic individual cars all looking different and having, your own personality sewn into the final car.
AUTODESIGN said:
My builder blamed brexit for not getting some materials today ! Sounds familiar ! I applaud the members optimistic approach on here. But if you take the telegraph article with a pinch of salt and read between the lines there are serious issues with this company. My bet is that the hold up with the factory is purely because the company cannot prove it has a viable future without funding in place. Without this there will be no factory and worse still as the government loan could be recalled ! There is utterly no way there will be any options of different option packages . I have seen the questionnaire and am astounded to see it at this late stage. Normally it’s done at the beginning ! More interestingly schmee instantly endorsed it ! I believe his order has been jumped up the list ! Will leave him to confirm . Seriously , if you are a deposit holder look objectively at this . And to those that call me a troll- most of the comments come from various small investors in the company . What I will say is that all my predictions appear to sadly be coming true . My bet is the company will not survive in this format and be reborn again down the line .
It’s the EU OJEU, NOT Brexit.I gave up reading after that, sorry.
AUTODESIGN said:
My builder blamed brexit for not getting some materials today ! Sounds familiar ! I applaud the members optimistic approach on here. But if you take the telegraph article with a pinch of salt and read between the lines there are serious issues with this company. My bet is that the hold up with the factory is purely because the company cannot prove it has a viable future without funding in place. Without this there will be no factory and worse still as the government loan could be recalled ! There is utterly no way there will be any options of different option packages . I have seen the questionnaire and am astounded to see it at this late stage. Normally it’s done at the beginning ! More interestingly schmee instantly endorsed it ! I believe his order has been jumped up the list ! Will leave him to confirm . Seriously , if you are a deposit holder look objectively at this . And to those that call me a troll- most of the comments come from various small investors in the company . What I will say is that all my predictions appear to sadly be coming true . My bet is the company will not survive in this format and be reborn again down the line .
I've been sitting back quietly reading your contributions for a while and you seem to be the torch bearer for a certain attitude that some on here have. I dont believe for a minute that you have some special insider relationship. Nor do I discount the possibility that this company may not make it. What I dont see from what we have been told is some smoking gun that justifies the tone of impending doom or some other peoples glee at trying to find a hidden scam or evidence of desperation.
What I do see is a certain malice. Sure you believe it's not going to work out. Others want to believe that it will fail because that would make them wise sages and validate their self image as an old TVR man, the genuine article or somesuch. I dont say you shouldnt share.
What I do say is dont do it over and over and over again like a preacher trying to convert the ignorant. A point well made doesn't need to be made 100 times over. That transparently reeks of an agenda I as a deposit holder simply dont care about. Crashingly boring and obvious.
Here's a bit of Intel for the whiners. Many deposit holders are not halfwits if they have the money to buy the car. It's quite possible that those same people knew when they put down their 5 grand that it's a risk. Possibly they did so because they want to play a small part in trying to make this a success against the odds. Making a positive contribution whatever the outcome can be worthwhile. Possibly they aren't in need of sage advice every day based on supposition and bias.
It might just be an idea collectively to give the carping a rest since it isn't adding anything new. Alternatively if somebody just wants to feel special and get noticed then they could buy a T shirt with an exclamation mark on it and a cap with a propeller on the top. Both ways convey the need to get attention equally well.
Or just put a sock in it.
AUTODESIGN said:
It was meant to be an analogy not ignorance ! Seriously does no one question really what’s happening behind the scenes here!? It seems that every time tricky questions are asked the “dilluters” come out and start talking tvr design etc etc
I think you've made your point clear and that's fine. Everyone in here has noticed that there are delays. Everyone in here knows that the plan was different than what we are seeing now. I'd usually describe myself as a realist with a pessimistic vibe. I can clearly see that things are not going as planned, that they are facing an uphill struggle, time is running out, economics/financing/zeitgeist etc. working against them.
Didn't like the telegraph article either, although i cannot read that much into it ( care to elaborate your points ? ).
And i grant you, that there are many things, that, if things blow up, will be listed as very clear warning signs. But there are two points that make me stick to it: first, i honestly believe that Les is a good guy and in it with his heart (and own money, equally important), second: i want this car. Badly. There is no alternative, and i'm seeking, believe me.
You got to have balls of steel to start a venture like this and sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I applaud them for doing it. Did they do everything right ? Certainly not. Did i in my business life ? Nope.
All that's on the line for me is my deposit and the time i spent here (way too much, using the time flippin burgers would have earned me that damn wide body kit
). I'll happily take that risk.Testarossa said:
El stovey said:
V6 Pushfit said:
pincher said:
Not seen the questionnaire for obvious reasons but has anyone stopped to ponder the fact that they may make a case for delaying actually building a car due to ‘overwhelming customer demand’ for this change and that change, that then needs to be added to what was a fairly ‘final’ design?
It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Echoes my post yesterday, this has descended the PH Massive into fantasy farce again. Redesigning a car that last week was still potentially a mirage without anything concrete to say that’s not still the case.It’s not like they’ll just rivet on a few Mk2 Escort Forest Stage arches or slap any old supercharger under the bonnet is there? These things take time to sort - have you inadvertently given them the green light to delay delivery by another couple of years?
Priorities in order:
Factory
‘Big news’
Factory
Programme for production
Then faffing about with dream options
It does seem to add more confusion though. Even rare fans of the original shape like spag seem to be now set on some unlikely redesign of the car (based entirely on a PlayStation game) instead.
Aren’t these questions about different designs the kind of thing focus groups should have been asked years ago?
Seems like they’ve designed a car that’s had a lukewarm response so now they’re asking people who actually liked it what they can do to make it look better? The problem is of course that then original depositors become set on some possible better looking fantasy version of the car, not the one actually available.
If I were to give Les the benefit of the doubt - I would say he has compromised his vision to keep Mr Murray on side. Mr M does bring some kudos, but is it enough to guarantee success?
Les should have some frank discussions and if Gordon is unwilling to move on the looks and dimensions, sales figures will prove who had the better grasp of what the customer wanted. Sadly, Les will never have the chance to be proved right because TVR will fold before he gets the opportunity to find a new partner.
Let's wait for the renders on the website, that will be make or break for me and I guess a few others.
M4tti, if the renders upset me, I will post the survey. I really liked the questions, thought it was well considered and I felt, it answered all my concerns - but like many are saying, it may just have been delaying tactics and decisions have already been made!
Slightly wider arches give it much more presence and make it appear ‘planted’. I can’t believe (nor will I accept) that this would cost £0000’s as an option.
£90k is where it should remain.
The rear retractable wing looks to puny (F~type looks pants with it in raised position) and is something that can go wrong and will detract from boot space. McLaren make some fabulous rear wings. Thus for me it makes sense to go ‘fixed’..and ‘curvy’ to complement the slightly wider rear arches.
Thus £90k with fixed or retractable wing.
I think it was a neat idea to use the ‘video-game’ as a precursor to a configurator...and anticipate a bit more action in this direction.
Cost~options acceptable (imo):
Ceramic brakes
Carbon seats
Switchable valves
Bonnet~styling (I really like the slatted vents down both sides..will refrain from speed-12 ducts)
Extra carbon detailing.
It doesn’t need anything else (and I don’t want any of the above apart from the bonnet bits).
We’re getting premium leather and harnesses and special paint..plus all the other goodies !
A supercharger will come (for sure)...but that’s gonna cost bucketloads and you’re then into McLaren money. Thus I see that as a future plan and not within 3 years.
spagbogdog said:
The shape is really good and the overall size is absolutely spot on imo.
Slightly wider arches give it much more presence and make it appear ‘planted’. I can’t believe (nor will I accept) that this would cost £0000’s as an option.
£90k is where it should remain.
The rear retractable wing looks to puny (F~type looks pants with it in raised position) and is something that can go wrong and will detract from boot space. McLaren make some fabulous rear wings. Thus for me it makes sense to go ‘fixed’..and ‘curvy’ to complement the slightly wider rear arches.
Thus £90k with fixed or retractable wing.
I think it was a neat idea to use the ‘video-game’ as a precursor to a configurator...and anticipate a bit more action in this direction.
Cost~options acceptable (imo):
Ceramic brakes
Carbon seats
Switchable valves
Bonnet~styling (I really like the slatted vents down both sides..will refrain from speed-12 ducts)
Extra carbon detailing.
It doesn’t need anything else (and I don’t want any of the above apart from the bonnet bits).
We’re getting premium leather and harnesses and special paint..plus all the other goodies !
A supercharger will come (for sure)...but that’s gonna cost bucketloads and you’re then into McLaren money. Thus I see that as a future plan and not within 3 years.
Full ack on the wider arches ! They give the front so much more aggression. I guess the styling options in the game were either from TVR themselves or at least did they give their ok. (Though some are clearly not possible like the exhausts behind the door). Also, i think the new Griff will appear in another game, Forza Horizon, soon, at least there are rumours. If they have the same mod-options, it's no accident and might be glimpse of things to come.Slightly wider arches give it much more presence and make it appear ‘planted’. I can’t believe (nor will I accept) that this would cost £0000’s as an option.
£90k is where it should remain.
The rear retractable wing looks to puny (F~type looks pants with it in raised position) and is something that can go wrong and will detract from boot space. McLaren make some fabulous rear wings. Thus for me it makes sense to go ‘fixed’..and ‘curvy’ to complement the slightly wider rear arches.
Thus £90k with fixed or retractable wing.
I think it was a neat idea to use the ‘video-game’ as a precursor to a configurator...and anticipate a bit more action in this direction.
Cost~options acceptable (imo):
Ceramic brakes
Carbon seats
Switchable valves
Bonnet~styling (I really like the slatted vents down both sides..will refrain from speed-12 ducts)
Extra carbon detailing.
It doesn’t need anything else (and I don’t want any of the above apart from the bonnet bits).
We’re getting premium leather and harnesses and special paint..plus all the other goodies !
A supercharger will come (for sure)...but that’s gonna cost bucketloads and you’re then into McLaren money. Thus I see that as a future plan and not within 3 years.
Grill options, wider tyres, wide body kit, lux-leather, that's basically it for me. Also asked for some more mini-space to keep stuff.
Will there be regular speakers and system ? Didn't know what to make of the high-end stereo system ?
I can’t see the point in spending thousands on a Bowers, Meridian, Bose etc etc system..I don’t think we’ll realistically benefit. Engine noise is HUGE...and piped all through the tubing.
It’s perfectly fine in our ‘daily’s / suv’s etc..but I want to feel I’m in a ‘different place’. Raw. Savage. Acute. Focussed....
It’s perfectly fine in our ‘daily’s / suv’s etc..but I want to feel I’m in a ‘different place’. Raw. Savage. Acute. Focussed....
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