New TVR still under wraps!
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AUTODESIGN said:
It was meant to be an analogy not ignorance ! Seriously does no one question really what’s happening behind the scenes here!? It seems that every time tricky questions are asked the “dilluters” come out and start talking tvr design etc etc
No one is questioning because no one gives a $h!t - at most they are in for 5k, most I bet are 2.5k, its peanuts. I doubt any depositor will really care if it all goes t!ts up other than be disappointed they wont get a car. Generally, what’s the relationship between GM (or any designer) and TVR? I get that he designed the car and is involved in implementing istream? Is he also designing his own brand of car? Or does he now just work for TVR? Or does he just get commissioned to design the car and then bugger off when they finalise(d) the design?
Obviously it’s a way in the future but Is there a proposal for cars after the new griff? I thought a soft top was discussed a while back.
I know TVR wrapped the car earlier in the process but would it be a good idea to be making it a completely different colour each time they show it? It would be nice to see it in some new colours to get a bit of enthusiasm going again?
Obviously it’s a way in the future but Is there a proposal for cars after the new griff? I thought a soft top was discussed a while back.
I know TVR wrapped the car earlier in the process but would it be a good idea to be making it a completely different colour each time they show it? It would be nice to see it in some new colours to get a bit of enthusiasm going again?
PuffsBack said:
AUTODESIGN said:
It was meant to be an analogy not ignorance ! Seriously does no one question really what’s happening behind the scenes here!? It seems that every time tricky questions are asked the “dilluters” come out and start talking tvr design etc etc
No one is questioning because no one gives a $h!t - at most they are in for 5k, most I bet are 2.5k, its peanuts. I doubt any depositor will really care if it all goes t!ts up other than be disappointed they wont get a car. I would prefer TVR concentrate on the critical path of getting the factory done and the production started as that will open doors to funding, proper marketing and everything that follows with having an actual car model on the go. Putting requests for options out there now seems odd as it’s pure fantasy without the foundation of having even got a workforce yet. Autodesign seems hell bent on exploiting any chiink in the armour like this to say it’s all going to go tits up, my view it’s it will happen in spite of doing things in a strange order.
TVR should concentrate on the things that they need to get in place to start the factory not going off at a tangent getting punters to dream about the ideal sub woofer.
At this point in time there is no car to buy
There is no production facility
There is no marketing
There is no......(add anything here and it’ll be right)
So to TVR: get some solid facts out on the important bits from which everything else will follow then ask us for what details we prefer.
TVR should concentrate on the things that they need to get in place to start the factory not going off at a tangent getting punters to dream about the ideal sub woofer.
At this point in time there is no car to buy
There is no production facility
There is no marketing
There is no......(add anything here and it’ll be right)
So to TVR: get some solid facts out on the important bits from which everything else will follow then ask us for what details we prefer.
m4tti said:
fatbutt said:
With the chat about the rear spoiler wouldn't it be nice to have the option for a sag style clear plastic spoiler? It'd be practical and also a nice nod to TVR's of old?
It’ would probably look a bit cheap and rubbish...However making the car look cheap and rubbish appeals to quite a large section of the car buying population. A teenager stuck non functional wings and non functional go faster bonnet vents on the saggy and it doesn't seem to have done the residuals of that car any harm.
I would leave Les to make the car of his dreams and see where it ends up. There seem to be enough deposit holders sticking with him to make it happen. Good luck to him.
cathalm said:
AUTODESIGN said:
My builder blamed brexit for not getting some materials today ! Sounds familiar ! I applaud the members optimistic approach on here. But if you take the telegraph article with a pinch of salt and read between the lines there are serious issues with this company. My bet is that the hold up with the factory is purely because the company cannot prove it has a viable future without funding in place. Without this there will be no factory and worse still as the government loan could be recalled ! There is utterly no way there will be any options of different option packages . I have seen the questionnaire and am astounded to see it at this late stage. Normally it’s done at the beginning ! More interestingly schmee instantly endorsed it ! I believe his order has been jumped up the list ! Will leave him to confirm . Seriously , if you are a deposit holder look objectively at this . And to those that call me a troll- most of the comments come from various small investors in the company . What I will say is that all my predictions appear to sadly be coming true . My bet is the company will not survive in this format and be reborn again down the line .
I've been sitting back quietly reading your contributions for a while and you seem to be the torch bearer for a certain attitude that some on here have. I dont believe for a minute that you have some special insider relationship. Nor do I discount the possibility that this company may not make it. What I dont see from what we have been told is some smoking gun that justifies the tone of impending doom or some other peoples glee at trying to find a hidden scam or evidence of desperation.
What I do see is a certain malice. Sure you believe it's not going to work out. Others want to believe that it will fail because that would make them wise sages and validate their self image as an old TVR man, the genuine article or somesuch. I dont say you shouldnt share.
What I do say is dont do it over and over and over again like a preacher trying to convert the ignorant. A point well made doesn't need to be made 100 times over. That transparently reeks of an agenda I as a deposit holder simply dont care about. Crashingly boring and obvious.
Here's a bit of Intel for the whiners. Many deposit holders are not halfwits if they have the money to buy the car. It's quite possible that those same people knew when they put down their 5 grand that it's a risk. Possibly they did so because they want to play a small part in trying to make this a success against the odds. Making a positive contribution whatever the outcome can be worthwhile. Possibly they aren't in need of sage advice every day based on supposition and bias.
It might just be an idea collectively to give the carping a rest since it isn't adding anything new. Alternatively if somebody just wants to feel special and get noticed then they could buy a T shirt with an exclamation mark on it and a cap with a propeller on the top. Both ways convey the need to get attention equally well.
Or just put a sock in it.
Konrod said:
B17NNS said:
Have deposit holders been sworn to secrecy or something?
Any reason why the questionnaire hasn't been posted on here?
Be interesting to see it.
Nope. It's an online surveymonkey job linked from the e-mail, so not easy to just post. Access requires £5000............ Any reason why the questionnaire hasn't been posted on here?
Be interesting to see it.
Testarossa][url said:
Haven't seen a pic for ages.
Well that was a refreshing change to the tune of the rest of the bickering on this thread! I applaud sir!My thoughts on the rest of the last couple of pages:
I'm very much inclined to believe Les when he says there was a delay due to the EU forcing a tender process. I heard him say it in person at the Gatton Manor Car meet back at the start of Oct. They also mentioned that marketing at the moment has somewhat taken a back seat against getting production and the car ready. They are aware they have made some mistakes, but that's to be expected. Les seemed like a good chap who's totally personally invested in this project.
I expected some delays in production of a brand new car by a brand new company anyway, anyone who didn't is fooling themselves, we all know it's a complicated process, and TVR is a small team. I for one like that it's a small team and that relatively I've had a hell of a lot of more personal contact with them compared to lets say, if I was buying a Jag or Aston or Porsche.
I personally don't see why some people are giving them grief over a simple questionnaire. I don't see it as delaying tactics at all. Nor do I see it as them making promises or changes to the plan. I'm very glad they are taking input from depositors, and are wiling to explore what options they MAY be able to offer. I'm very glad they are listening to us more than any other car manufacturer I have known.
And people forget that Porsche or Jaguar generally have years of experience, marketing budgets and of releasing lots of models with which they can work out what options and extras to offer to customers. TVR is a brand new company, so questionnaires are a good thing. Nor do I see the timing as being unusual when you consider that fact. If what they say is true (and I've no reason to believe it isn't) that the factory is soon on it's way to being fitted out, then surely they are on the way to finalising the car, and thus starting ot address what the exact package and options list will be, is surely correct - as it will take time to work out anyway.
And as a depositor, of course I worry I could lose my £5k deposit - it's still a notable sum of money to me, though not life changing for sure. Though I think it's possible they maybe struggling under budget, I also think there's been so much put into this project so far that I think they will manage to get this car out. Whether it then turns into a long-term strong and profitable business, is another matter, but would wish them success, and will be glad to have contributed my bit to that, assuming I do get my car.
El stovey said:
Generally, what’s the relationship between GM (or any designer) and TVR? I get that he designed the car and is involved in implementing istream? Is he also designing his own brand of car? Or does he now just work for TVR? Or does he just get commissioned to design the car and then bugger off when they finalise(d) the design?
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You are thinking about aspects that not many discuss here. ...
GMD are a business with a 8 figure turnover. There are a lot of GM titled companies registered in Guildford.
Original TVR had design staff. Having in house staff means that the management can decide if a car that was finished suddenly isn't any more - as many times as they want. No problem.
The difference between old and new has to be a level of formality and increased cost. The benefit is that cutting edge results can be given that would be very difficult or impossible in house (like virtual crash testing, that must be some serious FEA type work), but I'd assume that there is a sign off after a design is completed.
New nose and wide arches - (imho / probably) new purchase order please
.RichardD said:
El stovey said:
Generally, what’s the relationship between GM (or any designer) and TVR? I get that he designed the car and is involved in implementing istream? Is he also designing his own brand of car? Or does he now just work for TVR? Or does he just get commissioned to design the car and then bugger off when they finalise(d) the design?
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You are thinking about aspects that not many discuss here. ...
GMD are a business with a 8 figure turnover. There are a lot of GM titled companies registered in Guildford.
Original TVR had design staff. Having in house staff means that the management can decide if a car that was finished suddenly isn't any more - as many times as they want. No problem.
The difference between old and new has to be a level of formality and increased cost. The benefit is that cutting edge results can be given that would be very difficult or impossible in house (like virtual crash testing, that must be some serious FEA type work), but I'd assume that there is a sign off after a design is completed.
New nose and wide arches - (imho / probably) new purchase order please
.Adding 10 or 15 mm to the front arches isn't changing the actual chassis though is it..and I can't believe Les would have signed off a "final design" on a Prototype..that would make no sense at all....
All this talk about losing £5k amuses me. For those of us who are deposit holders it's gone already, paid, spanked, sayonara. We paid for the chance to get a limited edition, lightweight, 500bhp, manual, noisy, in-yer-face sports car. One that sucks itself to the road and spits fire out the sides in big gobs of thunder. A chance to participate in the revival of a great British brand. If it doesn't happen, well we save £85 grand right? But if it does... what a f
king laugh it will be! Just like in the teaser but all the way down the road.
And as for the continual doom mongering from "my builder..." AUTODESIGN, you sound like a right bundle of joy. We're all going to die y'know, but we don't spend our time moaning about it. Of course Les may fail, but what a hero for giving it a go. You've made your point now stop pissing on this thread!
BTW Tim wasn't gifted an earlier slot for praising the car, he was in around the same time as me (300-350) but then had the opportunity to purchase an earlier slot from a deposit holder. Just because you write drivel on the internet doesn't make it true.
Rant over.
king laugh it will be! Just like in the teaser but all the way down the road.And as for the continual doom mongering from "my builder..." AUTODESIGN, you sound like a right bundle of joy. We're all going to die y'know, but we don't spend our time moaning about it. Of course Les may fail, but what a hero for giving it a go. You've made your point now stop pissing on this thread!
BTW Tim wasn't gifted an earlier slot for praising the car, he was in around the same time as me (300-350) but then had the opportunity to purchase an earlier slot from a deposit holder. Just because you write drivel on the internet doesn't make it true.
Rant over.
I am relieved that you are all not bothered about your deposits. But thats not the point here! Its all about the strangest relaunch of a brand that i have ever seen! just one thing- will someone tell me when that long awaited significant announcement is coming?! or maybe it was the questionaire ! i dont wish anyone ill and have met Les. He is a genuine chap but this is all madness!
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