New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
PuffsBack said:
So Chim and Spag comments make for quite an interesting debate. Spag is right that the new Griff live looks way better than it photos but the aero must be compromising the looks - and if thats the case is it really required? We know the Sag spent time in the wind tunnel and the slashes in the wings were originally open so to reduce air pressure under the arches to increase down force. Of course Moleskins abandoned the idea, nothing to do with stones etc being spat on to the windscreen but more to down to with the additional labour cost cutting them out. However 15 years on I have never heard a Sagaris owner complain about their cars handling and how it could be improved by reducing the air pressure within the arches - in fact the only complaint ever seems to be that the slashes look better cut out and less contrived.
So that begs the question is all the aero really needed on the new Griff, especially if it is compromising looks?
Because the magic aero beans that have been sold with the new car won’t make bugger all difference on the road. So that begs the question is all the aero really needed on the new Griff, especially if it is compromising looks?
Driving down your favourite country lanes at 60mph, 6am on a Sunday morning will still be relying on mechanical grip
no magic aero beans required 
m4tti said:
PuffsBack said:
So Chim and Spag comments make for quite an interesting debate. Spag is right that the new Griff live looks way better than it photos but the aero must be compromising the looks - and if thats the case is it really required? We know the Sag spent time in the wind tunnel and the slashes in the wings were originally open so to reduce air pressure under the arches to increase down force. Of course Moleskins abandoned the idea, nothing to do with stones etc being spat on to the windscreen but more to down to with the additional labour cost cutting them out. However 15 years on I have never heard a Sagaris owner complain about their cars handling and how it could be improved by reducing the air pressure within the arches - in fact the only complaint ever seems to be that the slashes look better cut out and less contrived.
So that begs the question is all the aero really needed on the new Griff, especially if it is compromising looks?
Because the magic aero beans that have been sold with the new car won’t make bugger all difference on the road. So that begs the question is all the aero really needed on the new Griff, especially if it is compromising looks?
Driving down your favourite country lanes at 60mph, 6am on a Sunday morning will still be relying on mechanical grip
no magic aero beans required There’s plenty of buyers who love this type of stuff...and tbh the build quality will only ever go higher n higher..which has to be a good thing.
Point also for Les to note:
570S / GT now hovering at £100k
spagbogdog said:
This..for Les at least.. was never about trolling down the Kings Rd M4tti. He wants to win at Le Mans. And accept all the further kudos that brings (in terms of further ever more expensive models). He’s put his estate on the line. Underestimate him (and his team) at your peril.
There’s plenty of buyers who love this type of stuff...and tbh the build quality will only ever go higher n higher..which has to be a good thing.
Point also for Les to note:
570S / GT now hovering at £100k
You must live close to the water Spag if you go trolling from a car. I generally use a boat for trolling. There’s plenty of buyers who love this type of stuff...and tbh the build quality will only ever go higher n higher..which has to be a good thing.
Point also for Les to note:
570S / GT now hovering at £100k
It just seemed a bit premature to be discussing servicing costs when there isn’t a dealer network or service centres or even a car TBH. It might be quite affordable to run a griff if there’s a garage near you and it’s reliable and you’re not developing the car like you used to with TVR as an early adopter. It might not be if it keeps breaking down and it has to go to wales each week though.
Yes, it’s unlikely to cost more to run than a McLaren though.
BJWoods said:
I can afford to run a new Griffith. I can't afford to run a used Mclaren..
maybe../..maybe not...as that price will be down to circa £80k in one years time..I'd also imagine a nearly / 3 year old dealer model will come with the extended warranty thrown in. Easy to finance..easy to live with by all accounts too...The Grffith has basically the Mustang engine and a bomb proof gearbox.. it gets its high performance by being light!.. much like my T350C. I would expect ballpark Mustang, boxster f-type running fists.. not used Lambo, Ferrari, Mclaren running costs. (If we are comparing 90k new vs used)
BJWoods said:
The Grffith has basically the Mustang engine and a bomb proof gearbox.. it gets its high performance by being light!.. much like my T350C. I would expect ballpark Mustang, boxster f-type running fists.. not used Lambo, Ferrari, Mclaren running costs. (If we are comparing 90k new vs used)
Where are you going to get the servicing done? BJWoods said:
We'll see.. for me, the factory might be fun, for the firs year or two.. Someone like Straight Six, probably, more locally, or TopCats. most likely..
I do expect it to be cheaper to service, than a used Tuscan!
(and why wouldn't it be?)
My Tuscan (bought used) wasn't expensive to service - but replacing all the bits that failed or about to fail were ruinous. In my case the engine was fine (TVR Power rebuild and warranty by previous owner), but the costs in:I do expect it to be cheaper to service, than a used Tuscan!
(and why wouldn't it be?)
Electronic modules for various things
Faulty Dash
Faulty lights
Leaky PAS
various other irritations
Very expensive brake Rotors (ok I know they are service parts)
Failed rad
I usually paid about £400 for the service and about £800 on other bits.
On the other hand, my Lotus Evora is much cheaper typically £325 for a service and £150 on other bits.
I hope the new TVR has reliable "other bits" because that's what really adds up.
El stovey said:
BJWoods said:
The Grffith has basically the Mustang engine and a bomb proof gearbox.. it gets its high performance by being light!.. much like my T350C. I would expect ballpark Mustang, boxster f-type running fists.. not used Lambo, Ferrari, Mclaren running costs. (If we are comparing 90k new vs used)
Where are you going to get the servicing done? Jhonno said:
El stovey said:
BJWoods said:
The Grffith has basically the Mustang engine and a bomb proof gearbox.. it gets its high performance by being light!.. much like my T350C. I would expect ballpark Mustang, boxster f-type running fists.. not used Lambo, Ferrari, Mclaren running costs. (If we are comparing 90k new vs used)
Where are you going to get the servicing done? El stovey said:
Jhonno said:
El stovey said:
BJWoods said:
The Grffith has basically the Mustang engine and a bomb proof gearbox.. it gets its high performance by being light!.. much like my T350C. I would expect ballpark Mustang, boxster f-type running fists.. not used Lambo, Ferrari, Mclaren running costs. (If we are comparing 90k new vs used)
Where are you going to get the servicing done? For any new buyers they’ll be way under expectation. They’ll need to be along the lines or a smaller scale of a BMW (replace with any other mainstream manufacturer) type set up.
Morgan has one of their places near me, and it’s not a shed.
El stovey said:
Aren’t TVR going to have their own places? My old TVR dealership and service center was almost adequate but isn’t/wasn’t anywhere near the standard a £90,000 car buyer will expect.
Absolutely not. That's why there's already a network set up:https://www.tvr.co.uk/ownership/network/network-me...
Thing is, I've used several of them and they are excellent for us enthusiasts, but do they have a service desk, reception areas, tee and coffee etc? No. Anyone paying £90k for a Griffith and expecting Jaguar or Porsche level of customer service at any 'dealer' are in for a shock.
At this price point, most owners will be likely expecting a pick up/bring back service, so not really matter what the place looks like?
This happens with my Landrover! and my wife's Merc, both less than half the price of the new TVR.
Topcats situation looks fine to me for a service centre, with some interesting racing cars to look at aswell. You could sell the cars at different locations, service elsewhere. (ie sepreate pop up unit, or a lace in the right sales location (tied or separate from service dealers.)
This happens with my Landrover! and my wife's Merc, both less than half the price of the new TVR.
Topcats situation looks fine to me for a service centre, with some interesting racing cars to look at aswell. You could sell the cars at different locations, service elsewhere. (ie sepreate pop up unit, or a lace in the right sales location (tied or separate from service dealers.)
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