New TVR still under wraps!
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PuffsBack said:
Tyre Smoke said:
I'm loving the fanboys here still saying the TVR is a unique car with a unique selling point like Morgan.
I'm no fan of Morgan, but as a company Oldco or Newco TVR were/are not fit to clean Morgan's boots in business terms, let alone ability to manufacture cars for profit!
Hmm... that's dubious, there were years in the 90's when TVR was producing a lot more cars than Morgan and waiting lists were longer. And not sure I ever remember Wheeler being poor! Considering what he paid for TVR and ultimately sold it for - I wish I had his business nouce!I'm no fan of Morgan, but as a company Oldco or Newco TVR were/are not fit to clean Morgan's boots in business terms, let alone ability to manufacture cars for profit!
I also doubt that TVR ever had longer waiting lists than Morgan but it's moot anyway. Morgan has been in business for 110 years continuously under family ownership (until 2019) without going bust or having to be rescued.
Most ludicrous of all though is any comparison between the shambles being witnessed here and Morgan or TVR. This is not TVR, it's nothing to do with TVR and it's a crying shame that the name of TVR is associated with it.
Morgan are a niche manufacturer.
TVR would be a niche manufacturer.
That was all the comparison I was making.
Did I compare the ancient company and management and cars of Morgan to the startup TVR?
No. It took some other idiot to do that.
I’m quite happy to be called a fanboy for the new TVR Co though. I actually own TVRs and a living TVR would mean there would be a proper Heritage support for the older cars.
I like the new car. I don’t think it’s the best looking thing I’ve ever seen on 4 wheels and the delays as more people get their heads around EV and Hybrid as part of a high performance car’s makeup are damaging to its chances.
It’s the bitterness and negativity towards the new car and company that I can’t get my head around.
TVR would be a niche manufacturer.
That was all the comparison I was making.
Did I compare the ancient company and management and cars of Morgan to the startup TVR?
No. It took some other idiot to do that.
I’m quite happy to be called a fanboy for the new TVR Co though. I actually own TVRs and a living TVR would mean there would be a proper Heritage support for the older cars.
I like the new car. I don’t think it’s the best looking thing I’ve ever seen on 4 wheels and the delays as more people get their heads around EV and Hybrid as part of a high performance car’s makeup are damaging to its chances.
It’s the bitterness and negativity towards the new car and company that I can’t get my head around.
Tyre Smoke said:
Spectacularly failing to see my point and therefore perfectly illustrating it there.
There is something almost arrogant about TVR fanboys, and it's not a positive quality.
From what I see most people said the comparison to Morgan was completely pointless? Although there is some in terms of being small British car makers (well, kinda for TVR). No one was saying you were wrong about the financial history of the companies, or the current state of them. If anything most of the TVR fans on here have been really criticising them now, so are saying similar to you....There is something almost arrogant about TVR fanboys, and it's not a positive quality.
Tyre Smoke said:
Historically, TVR has never been successful. Morgan has, and continues to be.
This latest 'rebirth' is already stillborn.
I would disagree with that statement. In the '90 Wheelers era , the Chimaera/Griff era was successful. Not many niche British Sportscar companies setup manufacturing plants in the Far East to supply that market and satisfy an increased demand in Europe , and have a successful Race series in the Tuscan Challenge. This latest 'rebirth' is already stillborn.
Tyre Smoke said:
Historically, TVR has never been successful. Morgan has, and continues to be.
This latest 'rebirth' is already stillborn.
I can't see why you are being so negative all the time.This latest 'rebirth' is already stillborn.
Personally, I have my doubts whether the "new" car will ever see the light of day, but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, it may well do in a year or so.
To say TVR has NEVER been successful is simply not true, under Martin Lilley and later in the "golden era" of Peter Wheeler it produced some very desirable cars and had many happy customers. Unfortunately the Speed six engine proved to be a disaster and tainted the company's reputation, they should have used a big Yank V8 like Jensen and Gardner Douglas (imo).
TVR are the motoring equivalent of computer vapourwear, even if Morgan are still the modern day equivalent of a Commodore 64, they do actually exist and have a successful business model.
Les needs a professional PR firm, not some jokey email off the side of his desk and more transparency on the actual status. Real people in real jobs that potential customers can identify as progress towards the ultimate goal.
We may all want something, but willing and hoping doesn’t necessarily make it happen.
Les needs a professional PR firm, not some jokey email off the side of his desk and more transparency on the actual status. Real people in real jobs that potential customers can identify as progress towards the ultimate goal.
We may all want something, but willing and hoping doesn’t necessarily make it happen.
Tyre Smoke said:
Spectacularly failing to see my point and therefore perfectly illustrating it there.
There is something almost arrogant about TVR fanboys, and it's not a positive quality.
Posting on a TVR thread how wonderful Morgan are in comparison and then judging any reaction as arrogant is pathetic. Morgan aren’t in the ring with TVR and never have been - it’s a different market and different product. There is something almost arrogant about TVR fanboys, and it's not a positive quality.
TVR have made supercars and may do again, at the forefront pitted against the top offerings from Germany, Italy and USA. I don’t recall a Morgan ever being anywhere near the forefront of anything in particular.
V6 Pushfit said:
Posting on a TVR thread how wonderful Morgan are in comparison and then judging any reaction as arrogant is pathetic. Morgan aren’t in the ring with TVR and never have been - it’s a different market and different product.
TVR have made supercars and may do again, at the forefront pitted against the top offerings from Germany, Italy and USA. I don’t recall a Morgan ever being anywhere near the forefront of anything in particular.
They are at the forefront of wood chassis construction TVR have made supercars and may do again, at the forefront pitted against the top offerings from Germany, Italy and USA. I don’t recall a Morgan ever being anywhere near the forefront of anything in particular.
I don't really understand most of the last couple of pages. Where are these TVR fanboys? This seems like a hugely rational thread most of the time, I've seen one or two posts that are edging towards blind faith but most seem to be very (and these days rather forlornly) realistic about TVRs situation.
leglessAlex said:
I don't really understand most of the last couple of pages. Where are these TVR fanboys? This seems like a hugely rational thread most of the time, I've seen one or two posts that are edging towards blind faith but most seem to be very (and these days rather forlornly) realistic about TVRs situation.
Totally agree. Love my TVR but not blind to lack of progress. I asked myself the question of “if this was any other company how many would believe that this was being properly managed”?Tyre Smoke said:
I wasn't comparing TVR cars to Morgan cars. I was comparing business models. And yes, TVR had some flashes of success, but have never sustained it.
Anyway, as you were.
They weren’t flashes they were enduring, exciting and cutting edge. Streets ahead of the flat panel suff of Morgan. Anyway, as you were.
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