30k for everyday tiv...
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I'm thinking about a tiv after looking at sensible options like m3's and s audi's. It will be used all year round and has to be reliable. Am I right to assume the rover engines will be much more reliable? If so I'll look at a chim 500 or griff 500. Any advice between these two? I'll have 30k to spend. Thanks...
Same with my Tamora. Used daily since January with no problems. Niggles aside of course.
Doesn't look like your budget will stretch to a Tamora even though there's a couple of used ones in the classifieds.
Looks like it's down to the looks of the Chimaera or Griffith? Or even simpler what size boot you need!
Cheers.... Andrew
Doesn't look like your budget will stretch to a Tamora even though there's a couple of used ones in the classifieds.
Looks like it's down to the looks of the Chimaera or Griffith? Or even simpler what size boot you need!
Cheers.... Andrew
Personally I don't think any Speed 6 engined car would be reliable enough for everyday use, well not for the foreseeable future at least. My Tamora engine is being stripped and rebuilt as we speak.
The APJ8's are better but still not everyday transport IMHO, my previous Cerbera 4.5 spent nearly 2 months of 2000 at the dealers.
The Rover engined cars seem much better from this perspective. My Griff 500 was 100% for the 2 years of ownership only at the dealers for routine service.
I may just be unlucky bit this is my experience.
Frostie
The APJ8's are better but still not everyday transport IMHO, my previous Cerbera 4.5 spent nearly 2 months of 2000 at the dealers.
The Rover engined cars seem much better from this perspective. My Griff 500 was 100% for the 2 years of ownership only at the dealers for routine service.
I may just be unlucky bit this is my experience.
Frostie
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I thought the old rover lumps were much more solid than tiv's own efforts. Any idea?...
Ive just bought a Griff 500 for that sort of money.Its an SE no.11 of the last 100....great car,go for one of those!
If you come to V.Water on the 22/09 you can see it there....might even be pursuaded to go for a spin!!
Steve
Fernies will not touch a 4.0 Tuscan or Cerbi.,get a car with the Rover Engine.
>> Edited by sb930turbo on Wednesday 18th September 13:17
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Since when wil fernies not touch cerbies or tuscans?
I assume you mean they are ok re v8 cerbies? They have sold a few of them over recent months.
I havent seen them sell many speed six cerbies though.
I am sure they have touched a few 4.0l tuscans though?
As I said, the 4.0L engines ie Speed 6.I was told that the Speed 6 has such a bad reputation that they are now being called 4.0L instead.
But the Cerbies are worst they say.
Steve
>> Edited by sb930turbo on Wednesday 18th September 14:33
Fernies won't touch a speed six saying they are valueless (if there is such a word ??). They still are happy to sell and service the V8s though.
Was there a few weeks ago and looked at Steves new Yellow Griff, in fact Jack sat in it and made lots of loud engine noises, he tried to persuade me to buy for his Birthday, didin't want to accept that he wouldn't be able to drive it for another 9 years !!
Nice car Steve, have fun and don't stare at the dials with a hangover
Alan.
Was there a few weeks ago and looked at Steves new Yellow Griff, in fact Jack sat in it and made lots of loud engine noises, he tried to persuade me to buy for his Birthday, didin't want to accept that he wouldn't be able to drive it for another 9 years !!
Nice car Steve, have fun and don't stare at the dials with a hangover
Alan.
Fernies won't touch a speed six saying they are valueless (if there is such a word ??). They still are happy to sell and service the V8s though.
Was there a few weeks ago and looked at Steves new Yellow Griff, in fact Jack sat in it and made lots of loud engine noises, he tried to persuade me to buy for his Birthday, didin't want to accept that he wouldn't be able to drive it for another 9 years !!
Nice car Steve, have fun and don't stare at the dials with a hangover
Alan.
Was there a few weeks ago and looked at Steves new Yellow Griff, in fact Jack sat in it and made lots of loud engine noises, he tried to persuade me to buy for his Birthday, didin't want to accept that he wouldn't be able to drive it for another 9 years !!
Nice car Steve, have fun and don't stare at the dials with a hangover
Alan.
Personally, I like having a second car as back up for when the Griff needs fettling, or I'm doing the sorts of journeys I don't want to do in the Griff (e.g. repeated short trips from cold).
My 1999 Griff, bought this March from a main dealer, was/is in excellent condition. However, since then it has had:
- a service
- oil and filter change 2 weeks later as I didn't like the filter used in the service
- new ice detector (corroded, they all do that sir)
- water leak from roof (they all do that sir)
- 2 new front tyres (dealer fitted wrong speed rated tyres)
- speedo sent off for repair, odometer stuck (they all do that sir). Car off road for 5 weeks!
- repairs to dash leather from botched speedo removal, see above
- new door lock solenoid (stuck, they all do that sir)
- stepper motor
- coil and HT lead
- new radiator (leak in bottom corner - they all do that sir)
- re-siting coolant pipes after botched installation of radiator above caused jubilee clip to foul serpentine belt
- track rod ends x 2 (bushes split - they all do that sir)
- brake pads and fluid (a precaution before a track day - not essential)
- new camshaft (unlucky and pretty unusual).
The car has been 100% reliable in that it has never let me down. But many of the above involved repeat visits to get them sorted. Each was inconvenient and would have been a complete nightmare without a second car to use whilst the Griff was being sorted.
Admittedly I have suffered more than most with a dealer that could not get things done right first time.
I have also spent hours under mine stripping rust off the chassis outriggers and repainting. Last night a small piece of rubber trim that prevents water ingress fell off the roof...
There is always something minor that needs to be done and you need to understand that before relying on a TVR as your sole means of transport. The Griff is a 160mph + supercar with many components taken from mundane saloons (Ford/Vauxhall). It is not surprising that some of these components fail when subjected to the punishing they get in the Griff (heat, vibration etc).
There are plenty of people who run a Griff as an only car, and many will claim they are completely niggle free. I suspect that their tolerance levels are very high!
I don't mean to put you off. I love my car and don't regret buying it for a moment. I wouldn't describe it as unreliable, but I would have been stuck without my old hatchback as back up.
You need to go into this with your eyes open - but go for it and have fun!
My 1999 Griff, bought this March from a main dealer, was/is in excellent condition. However, since then it has had:
- a service
- oil and filter change 2 weeks later as I didn't like the filter used in the service
- new ice detector (corroded, they all do that sir)
- water leak from roof (they all do that sir)
- 2 new front tyres (dealer fitted wrong speed rated tyres)
- speedo sent off for repair, odometer stuck (they all do that sir). Car off road for 5 weeks!
- repairs to dash leather from botched speedo removal, see above
- new door lock solenoid (stuck, they all do that sir)
- stepper motor
- coil and HT lead
- new radiator (leak in bottom corner - they all do that sir)
- re-siting coolant pipes after botched installation of radiator above caused jubilee clip to foul serpentine belt
- track rod ends x 2 (bushes split - they all do that sir)
- brake pads and fluid (a precaution before a track day - not essential)
- new camshaft (unlucky and pretty unusual).
The car has been 100% reliable in that it has never let me down. But many of the above involved repeat visits to get them sorted. Each was inconvenient and would have been a complete nightmare without a second car to use whilst the Griff was being sorted.
Admittedly I have suffered more than most with a dealer that could not get things done right first time.
I have also spent hours under mine stripping rust off the chassis outriggers and repainting. Last night a small piece of rubber trim that prevents water ingress fell off the roof...
There is always something minor that needs to be done and you need to understand that before relying on a TVR as your sole means of transport. The Griff is a 160mph + supercar with many components taken from mundane saloons (Ford/Vauxhall). It is not surprising that some of these components fail when subjected to the punishing they get in the Griff (heat, vibration etc).
There are plenty of people who run a Griff as an only car, and many will claim they are completely niggle free. I suspect that their tolerance levels are very high!
I don't mean to put you off. I love my car and don't regret buying it for a moment. I wouldn't describe it as unreliable, but I would have been stuck without my old hatchback as back up.
You need to go into this with your eyes open - but go for it and have fun!
Griff2be, I concour with Mikey T (hey it rhymes !) had mine three months, had a major service where it needed a new rad and a clutch master cylinder. I could moan, but as the car has 27k on the clock it is no different to other cars I have owned, Beemers, Jags, Mercs or Saabs. In fact I'd would say the bill I got for the work was less than I would have expected.
Agree though that TVR ownership is an eye opening experience, but as PHers said to me when I asked questions before buying, don't expect cheap, don't even expect value for money, but do expect more miles of smiles than any other form of transport.
Agree though that TVR ownership is an eye opening experience, but as PHers said to me when I asked questions before buying, don't expect cheap, don't even expect value for money, but do expect more miles of smiles than any other form of transport.
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