TVR Chimaera 450S Turbo 2000 W176EOL
Discussion
Byker28i said:
It's up to you, but personally I wouldn't. It would eat me up too much.
I'd just be positive, accept it wasn't meant to be and theres another car waiting somewhere...
I do agree with you to a point. However I don't see another car like this around the corner at £25k any time soon. Also I had sold my Chimaera & 4200 as part of the deal as well so the amount of time and money lost starts to add up. With the deal done and only being 24 hours away from it fully put to bed, so going from being so close to where I wanted to be and now so far away now is hard.I'd just be positive, accept it wasn't meant to be and theres another car waiting somewhere...
I have tried to forget about it and move on but am currently really struggling with it.
rockits said:
robsco said:
rockits said:
Everything about the car for me was spot on. I would not have changed a single thing. It was perfect. When I hear that Rob (robsco) straight away wants to change the alcantara dash top and steering wheel insert and the plastic magnolia bits, the 3 stage steering wheel buttons etc. and maybe more it breaks my heart. I would leave it exactly as it is. Testament to Mac and his abilities, skill and creative vision. It should be applauded and respected IMHO. However each to their own and everybody is different of course.
You could look it at it from another angle. Consider that the amount of work and vision Mac has put into the mechanicals, it is far beyond what most of us are capable of. Therefore the interior, which in my eyes is not quite finished, is the next step towards finishing the car. The steering wheel buttons could be mounted on the rear of the steering wheel, much more tidily, as per the trip computer buttons on T350s/Sags. The magnolia on the dash and centre console is too yellow, and it's vinyl not leather. We all know how poor the TVR vinyl was, it cheapens the car; this isn't Mac's fault, the car was supplied new this way. The dash top is a different blue to the rearmost section by the windscreen, they are also two different materials so clash with each other. The door cards could be improved further by using leather. The stitching is all white and would look better contrasting blue against the blue carpets, which I intend to keep (but replace as the car has been letting water in at some stage). The dash veneer is cracking around the heater controls, therefore would benefit from a replacement dash.
I haven't finalised colour choices etc at this stage as there are so many options. The one thing I know is that the car will be trimmed by ex-TVR employees, whether it be DC Trim or someone else local to Blackpool.
May I suggest you start a new thread of your own unrelated to this one as your thoughts or opinions are not helping. They are also not relevant to what I am asking or trying to achieve here. In fact you are making it worse for me. This really isn't helpful to me and isn't what I need at the moment.
I do feel sympathy that you have taken this experience so badly but it's starting to wear thin, particularly after I took the time to post on here in the first instance, also spoke with you for 30 minutes on the telephone, and also even offered you the chance to purchase the car, admittedly at a higher price so it didn't penalise me financially. If the thread about this car blunders into a debate about suing a motor trader who sold a car from under you, without a signed contract or without either party meeting in person, or either party viewing each other's goods, then that would be a real shame and an insult to the car. I might argue that if you want to discuss legal action, then that would be best on an alternative forum, and not one discussing W176EOL.
robsco said:
Dean, politely, I think it's about time you snapped out of this rut because it's coming across totally ridiculous now. A forum is a meeting of like minded people discussing a particular topic that we are enthusiastic about; this thread is about W176EOL, so why wouldn't I be entitled to offer my views? I was responding directly to you namedropping me, and my reply was purely based on the car and my views on it (nothing on a personal level) and neither did it at any point take away from what Mac achieved with the car.
I do feel sympathy that you have taken this experience so badly but it's starting to wear thin, particularly after I took the time to post on here in the first instance, also spoke with you for 30 minutes on the telephone, and also even offered you the chance to purchase the car, admittedly at a higher price so it didn't penalise me financially. If the thread about this car blunders into a debate about suing a motor trader who sold a car from under you, without a signed contract or without either party meeting in person, or either party viewing each other's goods, then that would be a real shame and an insult to the car. I might argue that if you want to discuss legal action, then that would be best on an alternative forum, and not one discussing W176EOL.
Unfortunately it is quite easy for you to say this Rob as you are not the one it has caused an issue to. I think you are being a little insensitive or showing a slight lack of understanding though. It clearly means a lot more to me than it does to you so we will have to agree to differ on this. I can't change how I feel about it easily although I have tried.I do feel sympathy that you have taken this experience so badly but it's starting to wear thin, particularly after I took the time to post on here in the first instance, also spoke with you for 30 minutes on the telephone, and also even offered you the chance to purchase the car, admittedly at a higher price so it didn't penalise me financially. If the thread about this car blunders into a debate about suing a motor trader who sold a car from under you, without a signed contract or without either party meeting in person, or either party viewing each other's goods, then that would be a real shame and an insult to the car. I might argue that if you want to discuss legal action, then that would be best on an alternative forum, and not one discussing W176EOL.
I really am not bothered if you feel it is wearing a little too thin for you. If it is causing you such an issue please don't read the thread. It is optional and I am not forcing you to endure the annoyance of reading it. I thanked you for you kindness in calling and speaking to me on the phone. I also thanked you for your kind offer to sell the car to me. I don't have any issue with you Rob so it would be nice if you could stop having issues with me. I really haven't done much wrong here that I can see.
For the record I am not looking to litigate against yourself in any way as you have clearly done nothing legally wrong here. That is not in question. The litigation would clearly be against Greenside Cars for offering a deal, having it accepted, then reneging on this deal to do a deal suddenly with another 3rd party without my knowledge.
I had sold my Chimaera & 4200 in part exchange as part of the deal. I now need to go to the time, effort, expense and hassle of selling these two cars.
I don't believe I am insulting a car by discussing this situation and asking for other people's opinions and advice. I am not a solicitor or lawyer and was merely asking and gauging opinion as to what others would do in my shoes.
rockits said:
I am not a solicitor or lawyer and was merely asking and gauging opinion as to what others would do in my shoes.
You really need to move on and forget about this whole episode.rockits said:
I think I'll keep my bright ideas, thoughts and deals to myself next time.
rockits said:
I have picked out two possible alternatives in Mick's (Sapper) 400 Turbo and Mark Hunter's (CHIMV8 500) old Red 500. .
That didn't last long 
Whilst we sympathise that you lost out on your dream car, it's basically a first world problem.
Try looking at it from the perspective that some people will soon be barrel bombed, others are having their city blockaded & food/water are scarce, people will lose loved ones today, some may lose their jobs, & if the human race doesnt sort itself out, we'll all die anyway & perhaps nothing we've done will matter.....The only thing that really matters is you & your loved ones good health. A car, however good isnt that important in the grand scheme of things.
Like losing your first love, it feels like total crap then you get over it & move on. You were hard done by, but sh*t happens.
As others have said, it wasnt meant for you, it's a Buyers market, so take your time, enjoy looking, dont buy on the rebound, & only buy when you are 100% happy with it (price/colour/spec etc).
Good luck with your future purchase.
Try looking at it from the perspective that some people will soon be barrel bombed, others are having their city blockaded & food/water are scarce, people will lose loved ones today, some may lose their jobs, & if the human race doesnt sort itself out, we'll all die anyway & perhaps nothing we've done will matter.....The only thing that really matters is you & your loved ones good health. A car, however good isnt that important in the grand scheme of things.
Like losing your first love, it feels like total crap then you get over it & move on. You were hard done by, but sh*t happens.
As others have said, it wasnt meant for you, it's a Buyers market, so take your time, enjoy looking, dont buy on the rebound, & only buy when you are 100% happy with it (price/colour/spec etc).
Good luck with your future purchase.
robsco said:
rockits said:
Everything about the car for me was spot on. I would not have changed a single thing. It was perfect. When I hear that Rob (robsco) straight away wants to change the alcantara dash top and steering wheel insert and the plastic magnolia bits, the 3 stage steering wheel buttons etc. and maybe more it breaks my heart. I would leave it exactly as it is. Testament to Mac and his abilities, skill and creative vision. It should be applauded and respected IMHO. However each to their own and everybody is different of course.
blue carpets, which I intend to keep (but replace as the car has been letting water in at some stage). 
It didn't leak in all the years I had it 
ETA, 'if' I still had it, I may well have gone full leather, but think I had spent enough on the car tbh.
Edited by macdeb on Thursday 22 August 20:38
macdeb said:
robsco said:
rockits said:
Everything about the car for me was spot on. I would not have changed a single thing. It was perfect. When I hear that Rob (robsco) straight away wants to change the alcantara dash top and steering wheel insert and the plastic magnolia bits, the 3 stage steering wheel buttons etc. and maybe more it breaks my heart. I would leave it exactly as it is. Testament to Mac and his abilities, skill and creative vision. It should be applauded and respected IMHO. However each to their own and everybody is different of course.
blue carpets, which I intend to keep (but replace as the car has been letting water in at some stage). It didn't leak in all the years I had it ETA, 'if' I still had it, I may well have gone full leather, but think I had spent enough on the car tbh.
Edited by macdeb on Thursday 22 August 20:38
the passenger side carpets were a bit damp when I viewed! The car is garaged though so no trouble. Feel to you OP and you probably have a legal case, if a conditional offer is accepted then you have a contract but is it worth chasing? No. The comments on here, based on what you said, about that company will put members off dealing with them.
I wouldn't get hung up on maceb's car, just find another tvr with a good chassis, looked after maybe some upgrades likes brakes, shocks and wheels and then do the turbo upgrade yourself. 400/450 are cheaper to look after than 500 as the parts are common.
Then I'd build up slowly, check engine health, turbo it at low psi and see how you feel. If you get bored of it think of increasing psi but then you may need forged pistons, updated clutch etc
Personally I'd prefer a project than a finished article. You'll love the car more if you do it that way.....
I wouldn't get hung up on maceb's car, just find another tvr with a good chassis, looked after maybe some upgrades likes brakes, shocks and wheels and then do the turbo upgrade yourself. 400/450 are cheaper to look after than 500 as the parts are common.
Then I'd build up slowly, check engine health, turbo it at low psi and see how you feel. If you get bored of it think of increasing psi but then you may need forged pistons, updated clutch etc
Personally I'd prefer a project than a finished article. You'll love the car more if you do it that way.....
Well I think time is a great healer and although I still have regrets over missing out on Mac's old 450 I have made a big step to move past this.
Had a busy car movement week which has seen the blue 4200 I was selling go. Also the Chimaera has gone in return for something from the AM stable ??
Had a busy car movement week which has seen the blue 4200 I was selling go. Also the Chimaera has gone in return for something from the AM stable ??
Edited by rockits on Sunday 1st September 18:35
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robsco said:
The magnolia on the dash and centre console is too yellow, and it's vinyl not leather. We all know how poor the TVR vinyl was, it cheapens the car; this isn't Mac's fault, the car was supplied new this way. The dash top is a different blue to the rearmost section by the windscreen, they are also two different materials so clash with each other. The door cards could be improved further by using leather. The stitching is all white and would look better contrasting blue against the blue carpets, which I intend to keep (but replace as the car has been letting water in at some stage). The dash veneer is cracking around the heater controls, therefore would benefit from a replacement dash.
Having seen a few TVRs and Astons with full leather interiors where the leather had started to shrink under the windscreen (leaving an inch or so of raw GRP uncovered in the TVRs case), I feel there's a solid case for leaving that area in Ambla. I did have the door panels and the 'arm bolster' part of the centre console re-done in leather on my car, but that's as far as it goes with me as I have no intentions of doing stuff again in a few years, where the original materials have stood up against time and weather perfectly for a quarter of a century...
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