New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

[Autodesign]

Deposit holders could look on the bright side in that whilst the have had their deposit other used cars have dropped by tens of thousands . 50k off a Mercedes amg gtr ? Or more on a Mclaren !

[m4tti]

Autodesign said:

Deposit holders could look on the bright side in that whilst the have had their deposit other used cars have dropped by tens of thousands . 50k off a Mercedes amg gtr ? Or more on a Mclaren !

That’s not a good enough post to come back on. You had some insight previously.

What do you know now!

Edited by m4tti on Friday 10th May 21:42

[Tyre Smoke]

Yeah, Autodesign, old news from Vol 1.

We know Les is on a jolly whilst the deposits still keep him going, and Testarossa has already put me firmly in my place because he has considerably more money than me, and listed off his assets to make me feel an inch high. And we all know that giving £5k to Les was a much better investment than a Merc. After all I'm sure all the deposit customers have taken an absolute delight watching a Rebellion race on tv, safe in the knowledge that they have lost less cash than the bloke driving and enjoying his Merc. Like, duh!

[Autodesign]

TVR itself has nothing to do with Rebellion . It’s a completely separate investment by a small group of separate investors . They effectively get very pricey VIP hospitality at all the events Rebellion attends . Hence deposit Money is not being used here.

[bullittmcqueen]

m4tti said:

Well I think we’ve really hit a period of stall here.

In reflection this is a shame. There was opportunity here to resurrect a brand which generated various emotions, but importantly excitement.

I can remember as a teen in the late 90’s driving around with my dad and saying “quick look, Cerbera”. A couple of years later in the early naughties on the way back from university it was “quick check it out a Tuscan”.

They looked great and sounded unique. It was The uks young Ferrari. They’re the antithesis of the new car. Which looks hum drum and in person sounds like a rowdy flock of pigeons, where they’ve separated the exhaust on a big standard cross plane engine.

They needed to do something to regenerate that excitement but as of now it’s not this incarnation of TVR. Maybe they’d be better of selling.

Like it or loathe it if you stuck a TVR badge on the new Ginetta akula it’d look like a TVR. You could stick a Ginetta badge on the new TVR and believe it was the latest Ginetta. There’s something wrong there.

Edited by m4tti on Friday 10th May 21:25

Matti, getting sentimental ? What's going on ?

Well, i'm not with you on Ginetta/TVR/badge-swap analogy, though. No Ginetta would be mistaken for a TVR, no matter the badge.

Over the years (yeah, bitter, i know) of looking at pictures of the new Griff, i can say, that i genuinely like it. It is closest to the car i'd like. All alternatives are lacking more than the new Griff (except that i might get my hands on them tomorrow if i chose to).

Btw, on the TVR facebook page was some guy posting that he heard, that there was trouble with some kind of Bosch-electronic system/whatever, that was causing the delay. I have no idea if there's anything to it, but if, it would be the most informative thing in a very long time.

[m4tti]

bullittmcqueen said:

Matti, getting sentimental ? What's going on ?

Well, i'm not with you on Ginetta/TVR/badge-swap analogy, though. No Ginetta would be mistaken for a TVR, no matter the badge.

Over the years (yeah, bitter, i know) of looking at pictures of the new Griff, i can say, that i genuinely like it. It is closest to the car i'd like. All alternatives are lacking more than the new Griff (except that i might get my hands on them tomorrow if i chose to).

Btw, on the TVR facebook page was some guy posting that he heard, that there was trouble with some kind of Bosch-electronic system/whatever, that was causing the delay. I have no idea if there's anything to it, but if, it would be the most informative thing in a very long time.

How many legacy TVRs have you owned?

Have you reviewed the akula.. it has shades of the speed 12 in the rear design.

The Bosch thing sounds like garbage. That engine loom and ecu is dropped into tons of garage restored cars across the US. It’s hardly groundbreaking stuff.

Edited by m4tti on Friday 10th May 22:45

[bullittmcqueen]

m4tti said:

How many legacy TVRs have you owned?

I didn't mean to be offensive, i just noted some notion of the good old "glory days" and that you actually would have liked them to succeed, hence my intro.

I have not owned any TVR before, so i might not be qualified to comment on TVRs history but i belong to the group of people they have to sway over into their camp. And with the new car they managed to do that. Kick me if you want, but to be honest, except for the Sag, most of the old TVRs would not have worked for me and i was literally praying that they abandon the outlandish interiors of the older cars, which they thankfully did.

[bullittmcqueen]

m4tti said:

How many legacy TVRs have you owned?

Have you reviewed the akula.. it has shades of the speed 12 in the rear design.

The Bosch thing sounds like garbage. That engine loom and ecu is dropped into tons of garage restored cars across the US. It’s hardly groundbreaking stuff.

Edited by m4tti on Friday 10th May 22:45

Akula will be 300k + tax, not type-approved and will sell not many. We all know that TVR couldn't have gone down that road.

[m4tti]

bullittmcqueen said:

I didn't mean to be offensive, i just noted some notion of the good old "glory days" and that you actually would have liked them to succeed, hence my intro.

I have not owned any TVR before, so i might not be qualified to comment on TVRs history but i belong to the group of people they have to sway over into their camp. And with the new car they managed to do that. Kick me if you want, but to be honest, except for the Sag, most of the old TVRs would not have worked for me and i was literally praying that they abandon the outlandish interiors of the older cars, which they thankfully did.

You absolutely have to have a go in a Tuscan, T350, or Sagaris. It’s real driving with just a dash of refinement.

It’s beyond the interior. It’s the sound and feel. As soon as you’ve been in one you’ll realise the latest car is a pale impersonation of a real TVR.

[spagbogdog]

m4tti said:

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How many legacy TVRs have you owned?

You ain’t gotta Scooby bouts wot ur talkin bouts me ol’ chum...

[m4tti]

spagbogdog said:

How many legacy TVRs have you owned?

You ain’t gotta Scooby bouts wot ur talkin bouts me ol’ chum...

In fact I have Spag. Like a real patriot my engine would come out and sit on a bench

You’re not becoming a helmet already are you.

It’s good to have ya back

[PuffsBack]

m4tti said:

You absolutely have to have a go in a Tuscan, T350, or Sagaris. It’s real driving with just a dash of refinement.

It’s beyond the interior. It’s the sound and feel. As soon as you’ve been in one you’ll realise the latest car is a pale impersonation of a real TVR.

Following a house move my Sagaris has been holed up in the in laws garage in East London for 6 months. However on easter Saturday I brought her back to her new home 100 miles north up in Norfolk. Took it easy up the A12, A14, A140 and she was a pussy cat, however exiting a roundabout near Diss on the A140 I let her off the leash - 2 words - Crack we!

Don't care about flat floors, aero, blah, blah blah - its a TVR, it need to be a 'Crack we' and I am not sure the new car really is, certainly doesn't look it

[Madest Mike]

Can you imagine the stick British Leyland would have had if the had taken credit for Williams GP wins.

Edited by Madest Mike on Saturday 11th May 06:47

[spagbogdog]

PuffsBack said:

m4tti said:

You absolutely have to have a go in a Tuscan, T350, or Sagaris. It’s real driving with just a dash of refinement.

It’s beyond the interior. It’s the sound and feel. As soon as you’ve been in one you’ll realise the latest car is a pale impersonation of a real TVR.

Following a house move my Sagaris has been holed up in the in laws garage in East London for 6 months. However on easter Saturday I brought her back to her new home 100 miles north up in Norfolk. Took it easy up the A12, A14, A140 and she was a pussy cat, however exiting a roundabout near Diss on the A140 I let her off the leash - 2 words - Crack we!

Don't care about flat floors, aero, blah, blah blah - its a TVR, it need to be a 'Crack we' and I am not sure the new car really is, certainly doesn't look it

Suspect every single one of the Deposit~Holders DOES care about flat floor, aero, build quality, ride quality, longevity..blah blah blah..

[N7GTX]

bullittmcqueen said:

Btw, on the TVR facebook page was some guy posting that he heard, that there was trouble with some kind of Bosch-electronic system/whatever, that was causing the delay. I have no idea if there's anything to it, but if, it would be the most informative thing in a very long time.

Perhaps the fact they haven't even started to refurbish the new factory may be a bigger reason for the delay?
Or no proof of further investment to allow the Welsh Government to release the funds to start the factory refurb?
Even if they start work on Monday its 6 months refurb plus fitting it out when handed over so I cannot realistically see any production starting this year now. That would give plenty of time to iron out any electronic problems (if there are any).

[anonymous-user]

N7GTX said:

bullittmcqueen said:

Btw, on the TVR facebook page was some guy posting that he heard, that there was trouble with some kind of Bosch-electronic system/whatever, that was causing the delay. I have no idea if there's anything to it, but if, it would be the most informative thing in a very long time.

Perhaps the fact they haven't even started to refurbish the new factory may be a bigger reason for the delay?
Or no proof of further investment to allow the Welsh Government to release the funds to start the factory refurb?
Even if they start work on Monday its 6 months refurb plus fitting it out when handed over so I cannot realistically see any production starting this year now. That would give plenty of time to iron out any electronic problems (if there are any).

Of course there was some kind of problem with some electronic system, there always is, it's called "development" No one in the history of the car has ever just dropped in something that just works straight off the the bat! Something like an ABS or DSC system will need to be carefully developed and validated in the application, and this is why the big OE's build fleets of prototype and validation cars to do just that, and spent months and years doing it. If the TVR development timing plan had a single line for "install BOSCH electronics" and that was that, well, they are more naive than even i could have thought.......

[Testarossa]

Welcome back Spag and Autodesign.
Finally, we will get some civility back on this thread

[spagbogdog]

Taxi for Tyre~Smoke....

[N7GTX]

Max_Torque said:

N7GTX said:

bullittmcqueen said:

Btw, on the TVR facebook page was some guy posting that he heard, that there was trouble with some kind of Bosch-electronic system/whatever, that was causing the delay. I have no idea if there's anything to it, but if, it would be the most informative thing in a very long time.

Perhaps the fact they haven't even started to refurbish the new factory may be a bigger reason for the delay?
Or no proof of further investment to allow the Welsh Government to release the funds to start the factory refurb?
Even if they start work on Monday its 6 months refurb plus fitting it out when handed over so I cannot realistically see any production starting this year now. That would give plenty of time to iron out any electronic problems (if there are any).

Of course there was some kind of problem with some electronic system, there always is, it's called "development" No one in the history of the car has ever just dropped in something that just works straight off the the bat! Something like an ABS or DSC system will need to be carefully developed and validated in the application, and this is why the big OE's build fleets of prototype and validation cars to do just that, and spent months and years doing it. If the TVR development timing plan had a single line for "install BOSCH electronics" and that was that, well, they are more naive than even i could have thought.......

Never said there wasn't an electronic problem. The quote from Bullitt was very vague.
I haven't seen the car but I had assumed it had already been developed with the systems on board with Mr Murray's input. So a long way to go it would appear then.

[m4tti]

Testarossa said:

Or I will contact 0800 854 4400 and show them how you spend most of your day.

Is that the national benefit fraud hotline