New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

[christof]

I like this a lot..., hope it will be available with EEC type approval and I‘ll place an order within a minute.

Stunning design with a proven drivetrain.

https://www.jannarelly.com/gallery

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[GTRene]

for the TVR car lovers, with 85+ k burning in their pockets, to spent for the latest production model ;-) TVR V8, what about this one?
Sagaris with a lovely LS7, the waiting could be over ;-)

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[phazed]

GTRene said:

for the TVR car lovers, with 85+ k burning in their pockets, to spent for the latest production model ;-) TVR V8, what about this one?
Sagaris with a lovely LS7, the waiting could be over ;-)

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Call me cynical but this will always be a kit car with an LS engine.

As beautiful as it is, the new griff would have been something else. An up to date, (relatively speaking) design and mechanical package that the sag can only match in looks.

[anonymous-user]

m4tti said:

In retrospect I guess what the last few days, plus the preceding months has told us, is we need to come to a new level of acceptance.

There won’t be a new front end, the new car probably won’t happen, and there’s new competitors with 90% of the ingredients ready to roll.

It would be chivalrous if TVR Newco we’re big and bad enough to come clean and say all this themselves.

[anonymous-user]

V6 Pushfit said:

It would be chivalrous if TVR Newco we’re big and bad enough to come clean and say all this themselves.

They probably don’t want to admit it has failed and cause massive embarrassment to themselves and the Welsh government, so are stalling it for as long as possible.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Hoping it will all go away and be forgotten?

[glow worm]

V6 Pushfit said:

Hoping it will all go away and be forgotten?

They'll wait until the 31st October (BREXIT Day) and hope it gets lost in the other news

[Gazzab]

I am of the opinion that they will not get the funding they need to go into production - brexit and the death of petrol cars possibly being the root causes.
So unless they can get a electric version ie a relatively affordable electric sports car that despite being electric can be a proper drivers car, then they might as well give up.

[Zeb74]

bullittmcqueen said:

I'm not a fan of mid-engines and the Corvette is imo the last car that should have gone down that route.

Here's a good write-up. Worth a read, even if one doesn't agree with the conclusion.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2020-chevrolet-...

I'm not fan of the design of this new vette neither.
It's like the new NSX, it's not ugly but there is something that prevents me to love those cars.
The design is too complicated and not elegant on my humble opinion.
Ok, the front of the future (or not future) Griff is not perfect but I prefer the global shape and the simplicity of the body.
I've seen the new Supra in Geneva and I was disappointed by the fake vents they put on the bonnet. I don't understand this trend to put false grids everywhere (like on the Civic type R for example also).

[BJWoods]

GTRene said:

for the TVR car lovers, with 85+ k burning in their pockets, to spent for the latest production model ;-) TVR V8, what about this one?
Sagaris with a lovely LS7, the waiting could be over ;-)

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Well I bought an LS V8 T350C.. for considerably less than that.. I'd still like the new Griff though..

[BJWoods]

phazed said:

Call me cynical but this will always be a kit car with an LS engine.

As beautiful as it is, the new griff would have been something else. An up to date, (relatively speaking) design and mechanical package that the sag can only match in looks.

It will never be a kit car.. as that means it would have been in your eyes a kit car before the LS swap.. Modifying an existing - non- kitcar, does not make the car a kit car afterwards. just a derogatory smear.

I have a mint Griff 500, non modified, and a modified T350c. I enjoy both, and both are very much TVRs.. especially if you look at the history of the Griffith name...... is that a 'kit' car.. Grantura with a big yank V8 dropped into it.. and all those original AC Cobra's just worthless kit cars, because a big yank v8 was dropped into an AC Ace.

[phazed]

BJWoods said:

phazed said:

Call me cynical but this will always be a kit car with an LS engine.

As beautiful as it is, the new griff would have been something else. An up to date, (relatively speaking) design and mechanical package that the sag can only match in looks.

It will never be a kit car.. as that means it would have been in your eyes a kit car before the LS swap.. Modifying an existing - non- kitcar, does not make the car a kit car afterwards. just a derogatory smear.

I have a mint Griff 500, non modified, and a modified T350c. I enjoy both, and both are very much TVRs.. especially if you look at the history of the Griffith name...... is that a 'kit' car.. Grantura with a big yank V8 dropped into it.. and all those original AC Cobra's just worthless kit cars, because a big yank v8 was dropped into an AC Ace.

It wasn't a specific swipe. Please don't take offence.

I have had a Vixen, (which was definitely a kit car!) and on my second chim which I have pretty much had completely apart and rebuilt. I am not under any illusions as to what it is.

I've also built a kit car from scratch and believe me, there is little difference.

Stating that tiv's are like kit cars on a tvr forum is in my opinion a bit tongue in cheek and to us obsessive fiddlers and modifiers, that's what they are. How many cars can you completely take apart at home, change, modify, upgrade and rebuild?

I believe some people look at TVRs through rose tinted glasses but compared to a well constructed production car, they are a bit of a kit car.

[Zeb74]

phazed said:

It wasn't a specific swipe. Please don't take offence.

I have had a Vixen, (which was definitely a kit car!) and on my second chim which I have pretty much had completely apart and rebuilt. I am not under any illusions as to what it is.

I've also built a kit car from scratch and believe me, there is little difference.

Stating that tiv's are like kit cars on a tvr forum is in my opinion a bit tongue in cheek and to us obsessive fiddlers and modifiers, that's what they are. How many cars can you completely take apart at home, change, modify, upgrade and rebuild?

I believe some people look at TVRs through rose tinted glasses but compared to a well constructed production car, they are a bit of a kit car.

In this case a Citroën 2cv, or a Mehari are a kit cars? A Land Rover ? A Reliant too (ok wrong example ;-)).
Those car are basic, with separate chassis, basic steel panels or GRP body. So, there are easy to build and easy to repair.
The difference with a kit car is that they should have been built by skilled and trained workers with an official list of parts.

[phazed]

What have I started!

Guys, this isn't a wind up, just a fact as far as I'm concerned. Mostly instigated in my mind by the overpricing of the later cars, which they are, (I know, supply and demand).

Please don't try and justify that they are not kit cars, I'm not asking for that and it doesn't matter. As stated previously, this is a tiv forum and we all should know the rudimentaries of our cars construction.

BTW, the Vixen construction had the fuel tank in the car, behind the driver, covered with a piece of plywood, carpet and the spare on top that you had to wiggle over the front seats to remove! No opening hatch!
That was on my 1970 Vixen, same year as my dad bought a new Cortina 1600E, a beauty and well constructed car in its day.

Let's not mention cable ties

So, no offence meant, given or taken, just a realistic view.

[robsco]

BJWoods said:

phazed said:

Call me cynical but this will always be a kit car with an LS engine.

As beautiful as it is, the new griff would have been something else. An up to date, (relatively speaking) design and mechanical package that the sag can only match in looks.

It will never be a kit car.. as that means it would have been in your eyes a kit car before the LS swap.. Modifying an existing - non- kitcar, does not make the car a kit car afterwards. just a derogatory smear.

I have a mint Griff 500, non modified, and a modified T350c. I enjoy both, and both are very much TVRs.. especially if you look at the history of the Griffith name...... is that a 'kit' car.. Grantura with a big yank V8 dropped into it.. and all those original AC Cobra's just worthless kit cars, because a big yank v8 was dropped into an AC Ace.

I think the part of the point Phazed is making is that taking a TVR with a bespoke, Blackpool built engine, throwing it in the bin and replacing with a crate engine makes it closer to a kit car than it was before, which is absolutely true.

[N7GTX]

robsco said:

BJWoods said:

phazed said:

Call me cynical but this will always be a kit car with an LS engine.

As beautiful as it is, the new griff would have been something else. An up to date, (relatively speaking) design and mechanical package that the sag can only match in looks.

It will never be a kit car.. as that means it would have been in your eyes a kit car before the LS swap.. Modifying an existing - non- kitcar, does not make the car a kit car afterwards. just a derogatory smear.

I have a mint Griff 500, non modified, and a modified T350c. I enjoy both, and both are very much TVRs.. especially if you look at the history of the Griffith name...... is that a 'kit' car.. Grantura with a big yank V8 dropped into it.. and all those original AC Cobra's just worthless kit cars, because a big yank v8 was dropped into an AC Ace.

I think the part of the point Phazed is making is that taking a TVR with a bespoke, Blackpool built engine, throwing it in the bin and replacing with a crate engine makes it closer to a kit car than it was before, which is absolutely true.

Why? The car is not being structurally changed or altered, just the engine. On this basis the new Griff with crate Ford is a kit car?
I like to think of kit cars as Caterfield types that you can build in your garage reasonably easily. I'm not sure building a Chim or Griff from scratch would be very simple and kit cars, in my eyes anyway, are relatively free of luxuries like a headlining or proper door cards, even quality carpet, electric windows etc etc.

[phazed]

You know when I said, “look what I’ve started!“!!!

This is all been taken out of context.

You can see that we haven’t really got anything else to talk about.

I might just get out my new polishing machine and start on the chim, maybe .......

[Wacky Racer]

This thread should be renamed the Corvette thread.

[Tyre Smoke]

All TVRs to date have been kit cars to a greater or lesser extent. Just built for you in a shed in Blackpool. From GM ignition barrels, Land Rover wiring looms, Ford rear light clusters, GM rear light clusters, Citroen door mirrors...

[Monkeylegend]

They might be "bitsa" cars, but to me a kit car is bought in parts and self assembled, ie not assembled at the factory.

Not sure about the early TVRs but since my interest in them from the middle 80's they were all factory assembled, were they not?