New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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In my utterly valueless opinion 
if you remove the engine from a classic car that the car left the factory with and replace it with a totally different engine unrelated to the original one supplied ,then regardless of the large power gain/ reliability etc it is a lesser car ,less desireable to a marque enthusiast,less likely to maintain its value in the long term, however it will go even more like stink no doubt........sorry in advance 
if you remove the engine from a classic car that the car left the factory with and replace it with a totally different engine unrelated to the original one supplied ,then regardless of the large power gain/ reliability etc it is a lesser car ,less desireable to a marque enthusiast,less likely to maintain its value in the long term, however it will go even more like stink no doubt........sorry in advance twold said:
In my utterly valueless opinion if you remove the engine from a classic car that the car left the factory with and replace it with a totally different engine unrelated to the original one supplied ,then regardless of the large power gain/ reliability etc it is a lesser car ,less desireable to a marque enthusiast,less likely to maintain its value in the long term, however it will go even more like stink no doubt........sorry in advance
Agreed, but what if the engine changed from original spec at say time if deposit, say petrol, to say electric at time of delivery. Kno whahm sayin’ ? if you remove the engine from a classic car that the car left the factory with and replace it with a totally different engine unrelated to the original one supplied ,then regardless of the large power gain/ reliability etc it is a lesser car ,less desireable to a marque enthusiast,less likely to maintain its value in the long term, however it will go even more like stink no doubt........sorry in advance Monkeylegend said:
They might be "bitsa" cars, but to me a kit car is bought in parts and self assembled, ie not assembled at the factory.
Not sure about the early TVRs but since my interest in them from the middle 80's they were all factory assembled, were they not?
Lotus cars were available as kits up until the early 1970s. Many people don't realise it was purely to get round the 'luxury tax' (pre VAT) on new cars. Some kits were complete cars with just the wheels removed! Not sure about the early TVRs but since my interest in them from the middle 80's they were all factory assembled, were they not?
[TVR stopped providing cars as kits earlier (late 1950s I believe)]It didn't stop me liking Lotus. I had a couple of Lotus Excel cars in the 1990s. They had Toyota switchgear, gearboxes, and brakes. They weren't considered 'bitsa.' Those mirrors were on Lotus cars as well as XJ220s incidentally. The Morris Marina door handles on the Esprit were also on the Jaguar XJS.
Manufacturers like TVR and Lotus didn't have the resources to develop every single part themselves. Why not just use a braking system from off the shelf (e.g. Ford) that is proven, works, and will be easy to source? Even the Rover engine in the Elise worked well. It was developing their own engines that was the start of the demise for TVR. Morgan have never developed their own engine, just buy one from a big manufacturer that will be warranted....
ianwayne said:
Monkeylegend said:
They might be "bitsa" cars, but to me a kit car is bought in parts and self assembled, ie not assembled at the factory.
Not sure about the early TVRs but since my interest in them from the middle 80's they were all factory assembled, were they not?
Lotus cars were available as kits up until the early 1970s. Many people don't realise it was purely to get round the 'luxury tax' (pre VAT) on new cars. Some kits were complete cars with just the wheels removed! Not sure about the early TVRs but since my interest in them from the middle 80's they were all factory assembled, were they not?
[TVR stopped providing cars as kits earlier (late 1950s I believe)]It didn't stop me liking Lotus. I had a couple of Lotus Excel cars in the 1990s. They had Toyota switchgear, gearboxes, and brakes. They weren't considered 'bitsa.' Those mirrors were on Lotus cars as well as XJ220s incidentally. The Morris Marina door handles on the Esprit were also on the Jaguar XJS.
Manufacturers like TVR and Lotus didn't have the resources to develop every single part themselves. Why not just use a braking system from off the shelf (e.g. Ford) that is proven, works, and will be easy to source? Even the Rover engine in the Elise worked well. It was developing their own engines that was the start of the demise for TVR. Morgan have never developed their own engine, just buy one from a big manufacturer that will be warranted....
Handled well though.I was just trying to differentiate between what I see as a true kit car as opposed to others which are fully built using parts from other manufacturers. For smaller companies this makes a lot of sense, as TVR found out to their cost with the speed six.
BJWoods said:
GTRene said:
for the TVR car lovers, with 85+ k burning in their pockets, to spent for the latest production model ;-) TVR V8, what about this one?
Sagaris with a lovely LS7, the waiting could be over ;-)
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Well I bought an LS V8 T350C.. for considerably less than that.. I'd still like the new Griff though..Sagaris with a lovely LS7, the waiting could be over ;-)
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
There is also a great T350c with LS7 for sale at Topcats, for 40+ gbp, its half the money, I guess same fun.
And also a Griffith with pumped up LS3 500hp for 38k
and last year there was a Tamora with LS3 od 2? for sale just 15k...looked like a bargain.
I guess what I meant was, if you are into TVR's you can buy or make or order a upgraded one with the 'real' TVR DNA
The market for TVR (also many other sport car brands) looked full? or how you say that.
Also the TVR minded people group is not so big and or growing fastly, also old TVR's get mostly a second or even third life and or go around within that 'TVR' circle, so the market is not really growing for TVR, the shift a bit within the 'group'
A new market (reaching people outside the TVR 'group' ) will be very difficult in the present fully carworld, I guess you need very very rich people with very deep pockets, who are helped by famous people from the car world, to use also as media attention and a great groundplan and lovely unique wantohavecars.
Maybe best to start small for the existing small TVR market and then with more resources etc, open the bigger plan book?
V6 Pushfit said:
Agreed, but what if the engine changed from original spec at say time if deposit, say petrol, to say electric at time of delivery. Kno whahm sayin’ ?
This is the next announcement from TVR. A link up with the likes of Dyson (solid state batteries) and a decent gearbox (like zero shift). Creating an electric sports car we want to get out of bed to drive.19th June 2019 South Wales Argus
"The deputy minister for economy and transport (Lee Waters) recently met with senior executives.
"The company confirmed real progress in finding new equity investment to support pre-production vehicle development, and the tender process is now complete for refurbishment of the building in Rassau, which is TVR's preferred location for full car production."
real progress in finding = ah, we're struggling for cash
to support pre-production vehicle development = we haven't started any testing yet
the tender process is complete = still no sign of a man in hi-vis at the factory
Oh dear.
"The deputy minister for economy and transport (Lee Waters) recently met with senior executives.
"The company confirmed real progress in finding new equity investment to support pre-production vehicle development, and the tender process is now complete for refurbishment of the building in Rassau, which is TVR's preferred location for full car production."
real progress in finding = ah, we're struggling for cash
to support pre-production vehicle development = we haven't started any testing yet
the tender process is complete = still no sign of a man in hi-vis at the factory
Oh dear.
N7GTX said:
"The company confirmed real progress in finding new equity investment to support pre-production vehicle development, . . ."
Oh dear.
I thought they were fully funded years ago and were just waiting for the tender process for the factory to be completed? Oh dear.
TVR website said:
Is my money at risk?
No – we would never allow that to be the case. We are well funded, and are here to stay!
Didn’t that used to say fully funded?No – we would never allow that to be the case. We are well funded, and are here to stay!
Plus.
Launch edition places now available?
It's hardly a surprise there are LE places available. I would imagine they have been haemorrhaging deposits.
The delay now is so great that surely there are only a tiny rump of hardcore believers in the future of this project?
Has anyone anywhere heard of anyone anywhere actually placing a deposit in the last 18 months?
The delay now is so great that surely there are only a tiny rump of hardcore believers in the future of this project?
Has anyone anywhere heard of anyone anywhere actually placing a deposit in the last 18 months?
Tyre Smoke said:
It's hardly a surprise there are LE places available. I would imagine they have been haemorrhaging deposits.
The delay now is so great that surely there are only a tiny rump of hardcore believers in the future of this project?
Has anyone anywhere heard of anyone anywhere actually placing a deposit in the last 18 months?
Seems notable though in that it’s the first time I’ve seen LE places available and it means there are now under 500 deposits in total. The delay now is so great that surely there are only a tiny rump of hardcore believers in the future of this project?
Has anyone anywhere heard of anyone anywhere actually placing a deposit in the last 18 months?
BadBull said:
What a farce this is now. Any deposit holders still happy with this, should be sectioned.
There were 400 LE deposit holders before the car had even been revealed. I suspect it’s dropped back down to those that just want a new TVR regardless.
Seems odd to me that they haven’t redesigned the front at least and perhaps more people would order one and it would be easier to secure funds etc.
I wonder if les is just listening to those that will buy it no matter what it looks like or not actually asking anyone what they think?
If it looked great to more people perhaps even the useless communication and organisation might be overlooked a bit more.
The combination of controversial looks and poor communication and avoidable delays and the resultant vicious circle of lack of funding and cancellations of deposits seems to be spiralling ever downwards now.
BadBull said:
El stovey said:
Seems odd to me that they haven’t redesigned the front at least and perhaps more people would order one.
Perhaps they don't even have the money for that, let alone production.I wonder what’s the reason for the lack of funding though?
Is it a lack of depositors putting off investors or is it simply that people who might fund the project don’t think it’s viable at all? If there were thousands of deposits presumably people would be more willing to invest in it?
Before it was all about the EU and factory delays, then snippets came out about sourcing parts and now it’s actually just about a lack of money.
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