New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Anyway...
New or old I still love TVR for what they are or will be. I wouldn’t be spending 3 years polishing nuts and bolts on anything else.
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New or old I still love TVR for what they are or will be. I wouldn’t be spending 3 years polishing nuts and bolts on anything else.
This forum is superb for me as the knowledge and information is second to none and has probably saved me thousands. Great people too, let’s try and keep it that way.
Moronic negativity,,, well in the absence of anything concrete coming from Tvr and updates that have not come and a factory lying idle wtf are depositors and fans of the mark alike supposed to think!
Seriously?
Peoples money and dreams are on the line, and who would put the house up against a back drop of a pathetic public relations disaster,,,, or are we days or even hours away from some great news?
Seriously?
Peoples money and dreams are on the line, and who would put the house up against a back drop of a pathetic public relations disaster,,,, or are we days or even hours away from some great news?
spagbogdog said:
No depositor money is ‘on the line’.
A simple 30 second phone call retrieves said cash.
No depositor home is on the line either !!!
By all accounts that’s true but more in the fact there’s no car! A simple 30 second phone call retrieves said cash.
No depositor home is on the line either !!!
You mentioned homes on the line, I never mentioned depositors homes on the line.
So is all the negativity unjust!
Are people feeling let down!
Has a car arrived yet!
Have they communicated with their customer base in a professional way!
Are we about to see a lovely Team TVR purple factory!
How’s development on the car going!
When was the last testing session and what was achieved!
How well do the tyres hold up and maintain temperature!
After sitting in people’s offices so many years ago sprouting off what was going to happen and nothing of the sort has materialised.
Can you see why people are somewhat sceptical right now
Peoples disappointment and annoyance at the let-down and continuing farce seems justified to me, particularly for current deposit holders.
It might be articulated in different ways but it’s hardly unreasonable - the ‘its not going to happen’ etc was once being negative but now seems to be becoming fact.
We all defended against the ‘haha TVR’ t
ts originally, the ‘its only a TVR sticker on a Rebellion’ idiots, the ‘it’ll never happen’ doubters, and the OJEU delay carpers - and there are many more instances where folks here will have sided with TVR against criticism of them amid guffaws in the pub. I know I have.
But at this point there’s nothing to back up any defence of TVR. Zilch.
It might be articulated in different ways but it’s hardly unreasonable - the ‘its not going to happen’ etc was once being negative but now seems to be becoming fact.
We all defended against the ‘haha TVR’ t
ts originally, the ‘its only a TVR sticker on a Rebellion’ idiots, the ‘it’ll never happen’ doubters, and the OJEU delay carpers - and there are many more instances where folks here will have sided with TVR against criticism of them amid guffaws in the pub. I know I have.But at this point there’s nothing to back up any defence of TVR. Zilch.
V6 Pushfit said:
Peoples disappointment and annoyance at the let-down and continuing farce seems justified to me, particularly for current deposit holders.
It might be articulated in different ways but it’s hardly unreasonable - the ‘its not going to happen’ etc was once being negative but now seems to be becoming fact.
We all defended against the ‘haha TVR’ tts originally, the ‘its only a TVR sticker on a Rebellion’ idiots, the ‘it’ll never happen’ doubters, and the OJEU delay carpers - and there are many more instances where folks here will have sided with TVR against criticism of them amid guffaws in the pub. I know I have.
But at this point there’s nothing to back up any defence of TVR. Zilch.
The faux outrage on here is reaching a crescendo that even I didn't think possible. It might be articulated in different ways but it’s hardly unreasonable - the ‘its not going to happen’ etc was once being negative but now seems to be becoming fact.
We all defended against the ‘haha TVR’ t
ts originally, the ‘its only a TVR sticker on a Rebellion’ idiots, the ‘it’ll never happen’ doubters, and the OJEU delay carpers - and there are many more instances where folks here will have sided with TVR against criticism of them amid guffaws in the pub. I know I have.But at this point there’s nothing to back up any defence of TVR. Zilch.
If deposit holders are not happy, then take it up with TVR, but consider this;
To put a sum of money down on such a venture as this will always carry some risk profile that one should either a) be comfortable with, b) had carried out some due diligence to assess or, c) not bothered in the 1st place.
TVR from the outset, and let's remind ourselves of this, didn't court any deposits. Its was only the initial demand and interest that give TVR the decision to set up a deposit list.
Further, I have yet to hear of a depositor that has put their money down, and then not had it refunded when asked.
If one is not a deposit holder, then I am fascinated to understand what on earth one is getting so buckled about a situation that one does not have a vested interest in. Quite bizarre frankly.
They are behind schedule and they had been a bit lax with comms.
However, this depositor is pretty chilled on the situation and is happy to let them get on with the hard work of productionising what will be a great product.
I suggest that some on here extend the same courtesy.
8nil said:
The faux outrage on here is reaching a crescendo that even I didn't think possible.
If deposit holders are not happy, then take it up with TVR, but consider this;
To put a sum of money down on such a venture as this will always carry some risk profile that one should either a) be comfortable with, b) had carried out some due diligence to assess or, c) not bothered in the 1st place.
TVR from the outset, and let's remind ourselves of this, didn't court any deposits. Its was only the initial demand and interest that give TVR the decision to set up a deposit list.
Further, I have yet to hear of a depositor that has put their money down, and then not had it refunded when asked.
If one is not a deposit holder, then I am fascinated to understand what on earth one is getting so buckled about a situation that one does not have a vested interest in. Quite bizarre frankly.
They are behind schedule and they had been a bit lax with comms.
However, this depositor is pretty chilled on the situation and is happy to let them get on with the hard work of productionising what will be a great product.
I suggest that some on here extend the same courtesy.
Well said !If deposit holders are not happy, then take it up with TVR, but consider this;
To put a sum of money down on such a venture as this will always carry some risk profile that one should either a) be comfortable with, b) had carried out some due diligence to assess or, c) not bothered in the 1st place.
TVR from the outset, and let's remind ourselves of this, didn't court any deposits. Its was only the initial demand and interest that give TVR the decision to set up a deposit list.
Further, I have yet to hear of a depositor that has put their money down, and then not had it refunded when asked.
If one is not a deposit holder, then I am fascinated to understand what on earth one is getting so buckled about a situation that one does not have a vested interest in. Quite bizarre frankly.
They are behind schedule and they had been a bit lax with comms.
However, this depositor is pretty chilled on the situation and is happy to let them get on with the hard work of productionising what will be a great product.
I suggest that some on here extend the same courtesy.
I haven’t placed a deposit but continue to follow the (lack of) progress and occasionally comment, mainly negatively. I still own a tvr and have had four since about 97. Does that give me the right to post about the new tvr, does it give me less right than deposit holders, should I only post postively etc.? Ultimately we are all entitled to our opinions but until there is news, car production, road tests etc then I’m afraid the balance of posts will be negative as there is no material basis for positivity except hope. But respect to deposit holders and to those who are more hopeful than the majority. I can see however that the negativity is bloody annoying.
Amazing how people can be treated so bad yet still have faith and trying to suggest logical thought is somehow poor form!
If you decide to take upto 500 peoples money and that’s a very respectable number to start out with, respect to deposit holders,,,
Then have a deeply floored public relations team,,,?
No company especially a start up company can afford to ruin this good faith.
This stinks and something that’s unacceptable for any Tvr owner to endure surely
Owners of actual Tvr have been doing their bit for years to help put Tvr in a good light, we all have to bat off the usual comments, people have been investing in these cars for a long time to effectively rebuild a broken brand, WE have kept the service centres busy, ordered more parts than Lez could poke a stick at or even know what they are for all I know, and kept this great mark alive on this very site with helpfull tips and every bit of help a group with passion can offer you.
Tvr is much bigger than LE and it’s time that was recognised as the bedrock of Tvr and that’s where most of his deposits come from i’d wager.
I admire those who have kept their deposit and line in the cue, we should be listening to those who have pulled out though as they tell it as it feels!
As it’s all a guessing game and like all TVR owners and fans I hope all this sorts itself out with some positive news then actions...
If you decide to take upto 500 peoples money and that’s a very respectable number to start out with, respect to deposit holders,,,
Then have a deeply floored public relations team,,,?
No company especially a start up company can afford to ruin this good faith.
This stinks and something that’s unacceptable for any Tvr owner to endure surely
Owners of actual Tvr have been doing their bit for years to help put Tvr in a good light, we all have to bat off the usual comments, people have been investing in these cars for a long time to effectively rebuild a broken brand, WE have kept the service centres busy, ordered more parts than Lez could poke a stick at or even know what they are for all I know, and kept this great mark alive on this very site with helpfull tips and every bit of help a group with passion can offer you.
Tvr is much bigger than LE and it’s time that was recognised as the bedrock of Tvr and that’s where most of his deposits come from i’d wager.
I admire those who have kept their deposit and line in the cue, we should be listening to those who have pulled out though as they tell it as it feels!
As it’s all a guessing game and like all TVR owners and fans I hope all this sorts itself out with some positive news then actions...
Edited by Classic Chim on Sunday 12th May 13:33
Gazzab said:
I haven’t placed a deposit but continue to follow the (lack of) progress and occasionally comment, mainly negatively. I still own a tvr and have had four since about 97. Does that give me the right to post about the new tvr, does it give me less right than deposit holders, should I only post postively etc.? Ultimately we are all entitled to our opinions but until there is news, car production, road tests etc then I’m afraid the balance of posts will be negative as there is no material basis for positivity except hope. But respect to deposit holders and to those who are more hopeful than the majority. I can see however that the negativity is bloody annoying.
The negativity comes from various factors though.There’s the cars looks, the lack of progress, the rubbish communications, the feeling that this isn’t a “proper” TVR.
You don’t have to be a deposit holder to be annoyed or critical of any of these.
Also what’s more likely to make this car a success, people who’ve already paid a deposit fawning over everything and telling them what they want to hear, or people pointing out what’s going wrong and saying what’s putting them off buying one?
I haven’t placed a deposit either, because I think it looks rubbish. I’d like to maybe buy a future TVR depending on what happens with this car and what comes next though.
How TVR have handled everything doesn’t fill me with confidence though.
TVR could end much of this negativity with regular progress reports and updates. Even if they’re doing nothing just update us regularly and say that nothing is happening because of whatever.
I’d also be worried that this total lack of communication and organisation is how they’ll handle repairs and recalls and servicing which on a new car from a startup also puts me off.
El stovey said:
The negativity comes from various factors though.
There’s the cars looks, the lack of progress, the rubbish communications, the feeling that this isn’t a “proper” TVR.
You don’t have to be a deposit holder to be annoyed or critical of any of these.
Also what’s more likely to make this car a success, people who’ve already paid a deposit fawning over everything and telling them what they want to hear, or people pointing out what’s going wrong and saying what’s putting them off buying one?
I haven’t placed a deposit either, because I think it looks rubbish. I’d like to maybe buy a future TVR depending on what happens with this car and what comes next though.
How TVR have handled everything doesn’t fill me with confidence though.
TVR could end much of this negativity with regular progress reports and updates. Even if they’re doing nothing just update us regularly and say that nothing is happening because of whatever.
I’d also be worried that this total lack of communication and organisation is how they’ll handle repairs and recalls and servicing which on a new car from a startup also puts me off.
Maybe enough people have a different opinion.. I think it is a proper TVR, the car that needs to be built now, not twenty years ago. I like the looks, I like the engineering and I really, really want the aero package (at Vmax yesterday))There’s the cars looks, the lack of progress, the rubbish communications, the feeling that this isn’t a “proper” TVR.
You don’t have to be a deposit holder to be annoyed or critical of any of these.
Also what’s more likely to make this car a success, people who’ve already paid a deposit fawning over everything and telling them what they want to hear, or people pointing out what’s going wrong and saying what’s putting them off buying one?
I haven’t placed a deposit either, because I think it looks rubbish. I’d like to maybe buy a future TVR depending on what happens with this car and what comes next though.
How TVR have handled everything doesn’t fill me with confidence though.
TVR could end much of this negativity with regular progress reports and updates. Even if they’re doing nothing just update us regularly and say that nothing is happening because of whatever.
I’d also be worried that this total lack of communication and organisation is how they’ll handle repairs and recalls and servicing which on a new car from a startup also puts me off.
BJWoods said:
Maybe enough people have a different opinion.. I think it is a proper TVR, the car that needs to be built now, not twenty years ago. I like the looks, I like the engineering and I really, really want the aero package (at Vmax yesterday))
Sure but I’m just explaining to someone asking, why some people are negative about the car, even if they haven’t placed a deposit. You’re obviously happy with the car which is great and hopefully you’ll get one soon.
Deposits requested or not, placed or not, is irrelevant.
The delays in any progress toward actually building a car for customers is becoming increasingly unlikely. Never mind the Marmite looks, the legislation approaching for all sorts of car manufacturers is pushing this further and further out of a sound economic proposition. All the delays just add increased start up cash requirements.
How long can a company with no income stream, but increasing outgoings survive?
The delays in any progress toward actually building a car for customers is becoming increasingly unlikely. Never mind the Marmite looks, the legislation approaching for all sorts of car manufacturers is pushing this further and further out of a sound economic proposition. All the delays just add increased start up cash requirements.
How long can a company with no income stream, but increasing outgoings survive?
Tyre Smoke said:
Deposits requested or not, placed or not, is irrelevant.
The delays in any progress toward actually building a car for customers is becoming increasingly unlikely. Never mind the Marmite looks, the legislation approaching for all sorts of car manufacturers is pushing this further and further out of a sound economic proposition. All the delays just add increased start up cash requirements.
How long can a company with no income stream, but increasing outgoings survive?
How is the position of having a financial commitment to a venture irrelevant? Quite the conterary. It is a demonstrable statement of intent to support a fledgling venture to which I, for one, have high hopes of success. The delays in any progress toward actually building a car for customers is becoming increasingly unlikely. Never mind the Marmite looks, the legislation approaching for all sorts of car manufacturers is pushing this further and further out of a sound economic proposition. All the delays just add increased start up cash requirements.
How long can a company with no income stream, but increasing outgoings survive?
As for your question regards survivability. I would wager that you won't find a concrete answer on these hallowed boards. If it was me, I'd be asking TVR. I suggest you do the same and report back with findings if you hold such genuine concerns.
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