New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Pupp said:
Without necessarily disagreeing with the frustrations being expressed, maybe the perceived customer base is much wider than the traditional TVR crew... we're still discussing it so interest certainly exists
I don't see any logic in that. The customer base was insufficient to sustain TVR 14 years ago when they produced cars that were brilliant, cheap and relevant. Why should the demand be higher now for a car that will be none of those things?Gazzab said:
Les went large with his plans. Should have started in a shed rather than wasting all that money with GM etc
Murray generated interest and belief. A shed would have generated sniggering. Once the Taycan sales pick up and they become common place TVR will have even more problems.
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 18th December 23:12
m4tti said:
Gazzab said:
Les went large with his plans. Should have started in a shed rather than wasting all that money with GM etc
Murray generated interest and belief. A shed would have generated sniggering. Once the Taycan sales pick up and they become common place TVR will have even more problems.
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 18th December 23:12
They could have built some cars by now in a shed if they had employed some engineers and mechanics and ‘builders’ (regardless of GM etc).
Unfortunately the dream we all had about the return of TVR is well and truly dead. Times have moved on massively within the last couple of years since the launch of the Griffith. Newco have been left behind with a business plan that was relevant about 5 years ago so it's no wonder that investors aren't falling over themselves to top up the coffers. The future for new cars is definitely electric, whether we like it or not, and the ICE engine will soon be dead due to all the restrictions regarding emissions, noise pollution and global warming which is making headline news on a daily basis. The only car manufacturer that is growing massively in an otherwise shrinking market is Tesla. They have disrupted the car industry with their EV cars that s**t all over the majority of the petrol hypercars and leave them for dust. If newco aren't prepared to significantly change their business plan to generate any sort of investment they will end up like the dinosaurs. It's just not good enough anymore for Les Edgar to suggest that bolting on a hybrid will be the saviour for a gas guzzling 5L V8 in this day and age. I'd certainly be very worried if I hadn't pulled my deposit as I think the inevitable will be announced in 2020. RIP TVR 
The future for mainstream cars may well be ev's. But for toy's a petrol engine and manual box will always have a place.
People still ride horses, they still drive classics. But it's always for enjoyment.
The taycan/model s of this world are eyewateringly quick, but there isn't the mechanical interaction. How would you explain sales of pretty much every other performance car when a golf r will do it all?
The thing is, sales only have to be a fraction of tvr of old to have a very healthy business. Problem being they've planned for 2k cars per year.
I certainly plan on driving my manual, decent engined car for years to come. I'd not hesitate to replace it with another petrol manual car if buying new. Whilst the masses may be changing, there doesn't have to be many like me to sustain a company such as tvr.
People still ride horses, they still drive classics. But it's always for enjoyment.
The taycan/model s of this world are eyewateringly quick, but there isn't the mechanical interaction. How would you explain sales of pretty much every other performance car when a golf r will do it all?
The thing is, sales only have to be a fraction of tvr of old to have a very healthy business. Problem being they've planned for 2k cars per year.
I certainly plan on driving my manual, decent engined car for years to come. I'd not hesitate to replace it with another petrol manual car if buying new. Whilst the masses may be changing, there doesn't have to be many like me to sustain a company such as tvr.
Silenceisgolden said:
Unfortunately the dream we all had about the return of TVR is well and truly dead. Times have moved on massively within the last couple of years since the launch of the Griffith. Newco have been left behind with a business plan that was relevant about 5 years ago so it's no wonder that investors aren't falling over themselves to top up the coffers. The future for new cars is definitely electric, whether we like it or not, and the ICE engine will soon be dead due to all the restrictions regarding emissions, noise pollution and global warming which is making headline news on a daily basis. The only car manufacturer that is growing massively in an otherwise shrinking market is Tesla. They have disrupted the car industry with their EV cars that s**t all over the majority of the petrol hypercars and leave them for dust. If newco aren't prepared to significantly change their business plan to generate any sort of investment they will end up like the dinosaurs. It's just not good enough anymore for Les Edgar to suggest that bolting on a hybrid will be the saviour for a gas guzzling 5L V8 in this day and age. I'd certainly be very worried if I hadn't pulled my deposit as I think the inevitable will be announced in 2020. RIP TVR
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar? glow worm said:
I'm not that sure how scalable the supply of electric vehicles will be . There's already concerns about mining the oceans to extract the metals required for the batteries .
Darker side of the electric car bonanzaWhile much of the developed world heads enthusiastically toward vehicles that pollute less, the celebration isn't universal. The Democratic Republic of Congo supplies two-thirds of world's cobalt, essential for EV batteries. This Central African nation chronically suffers from "natural resource curse": while "blessed" with richness in minerals, it remains among the poorest nations in the world.
In the absence of formal employment, hundreds of thousands of Congolese turn to mining. UNICEF estimates there are more than 40,000 children working in mines on jobs such as underground digging, transportation of heavy loads or washing mined cobalt in rivers.
Many adult and children workers have no modern machinery or even basic protective clothing, and the health consequences can be catastrophic. Cobalt even has disease named after it – cobalt lungs, a form of pneumonia caused by overexposure to cobalt dust that leads to permanent incapacity and in many cases, death.
Years of mining have also taken their toll on Congolese environment. Untreated waste and toxic substances pollute areas near the mines, exacerbating health problems of the locals. In addition, worrying radioactivity levels were reported in some of the mines, as southern Congo has vast deposits of not only cobalt and copper, but also uranium. In November 2018, Glencore, one of the world's leading cobalt producers, temporarily suspended sales of cobalt from its Kamoto mine due to radioactivity detected in supplies.
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the bang for buck (ironic) of a Tesla against a performance car is hard to argue against. They don't have the soundtrack, or a manual gearbox, but they handle and are seriously quick.
Tyre Smoke said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the bang for buck (ironic) of a Tesla against a performance car is hard to argue against. They don't have the soundtrack, or a manual gearbox, but they handle and are seriously quick.Then watch it again with your speakers turned off to understand how the sheer joy of driving will be diminished hugely with an EV no matter how fast it is!!
Tesla
Stever said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the bang for buck (ironic) of a Tesla against a performance car is hard to argue against. They don't have the soundtrack, or a manual gearbox, but they handle and are seriously quick.Then watch it again with your speakers turned off to understand how the sheer joy of driving will be diminished hugely with an EV no matter how fast it is!!
Tesla
Gazzab said:
Stever said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the bang for buck (ironic) of a Tesla against a performance car is hard to argue against. They don't have the soundtrack, or a manual gearbox, but they handle and are seriously quick.Then watch it again with your speakers turned off to understand how the sheer joy of driving will be diminished hugely with an EV no matter how fast it is!!
Tesla
Stever said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the bang for buck (ironic) of a Tesla against a performance car is hard to argue against. They don't have the soundtrack, or a manual gearbox, but they handle and are seriously quick.Then watch it again with your speakers turned off to understand how the sheer joy of driving will be diminished hugely with an EV no matter how fast it is!!
Tesla
Do high end turntable manufacturers wallow over the fact that ´the world´ has gone streaming music? Not a bit of it - it just heightens the contrast between either way of experiencing music for them, and by doing that pretty much generates their marketing narrative.
It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
900T-R said:
Do high end turntable manufacturers wallow over the fact that ´the world´ has gone streaming music? Not a bit of it - it just heightens the contrast between either way of experiencing music for them, and by doing that pretty much generates their marketing narrative.
It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
I sort of agree and disagree. Once upon a time to play music at will you needed a record and a turntable. There were a lot of turntable manufacturers. Now it is a personal choice for a very small market (compared to global music sales) that has very few manufacturers and I would venture none that would make a profit/sustainable business on turntable manufacture alone. And that's where TVR come in. With a now, unsustainable business model. It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
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