New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Tyre Smoke said:
Now it is a personal choice for a very small market (compared to global music sales) that has very few manufacturers and I would venture none that would make a profit/sustainable business on turntable manufacture alone.
You'd be rather wrong on that one... Plenty of thriving businesses that only or predominantly sell turntables, tonearms, cartridges, phono preamplifiers (from the rather large Pro-Ject and Rega operations through the likes of SME to a myriad of smaller brands) and very healthy growth all round. I should know, I make decent money next to my day job reviewing them and talking to their manufacturers/distributors...900T-R said:
Do high end turntable manufacturers wallow over the fact that ´the world´ has gone streaming music? Not a bit of it - it just heightens the contrast between either way of experiencing music for them, and by doing that pretty much generates their marketing narrative.
It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
Bad example unless you have a petrol powered turn table. No ones driving turntables off the road due to emissions. I guess it depends what you’re playing It's the 'inbetween' - not wholly analogue, involving and immersive as an act, but not brave new world either, that tends to suffer.
m4tti said:
Bad example unless you have a petrol powered turn table. No ones driving turntables off the road due to emissions.
That's a double edged sword. There's also a case to be made for people getting a big-engined, manually shifted, non-smartphone on wheels sports car before it stops being an option. Purely from an economic perspective, any investor (which is what is desperately needed) is going to want to see a return on their investment.
I guess it will take hundreds of thousands of pounds to get the car certified (if not more), and we know that the order book is now less than it was. Just how many cars would they need to build before starting to get a return? I would guess 400 wouldn't cover all the investment.
It is not as if TVR is a prestige marque either, so they can’t cash in on a quality/desirable heritage.
That is why I can’t see it ever happening.
I guess it will take hundreds of thousands of pounds to get the car certified (if not more), and we know that the order book is now less than it was. Just how many cars would they need to build before starting to get a return? I would guess 400 wouldn't cover all the investment.
It is not as if TVR is a prestige marque either, so they can’t cash in on a quality/desirable heritage.
That is why I can’t see it ever happening.
900T-R said:
That's a double edged sword. There's also a case to be made for people getting a big-engined, manually shifted, non-smartphone on wheels sports car before it stops being an option.
A great idea and make sure the big engine is naturally aspirated as well. It was the recent ending of an 'analogue' era.
Perhaps follow many TVR owners, who have bought an Aston Martin V8 Vantage.
Some attractive prices now, following the market slowdown.
A 4.7 Vantage up to 2012, is one of the 'sweet spot' models. All the 2009 improvements, but still retaining the exact original body design.
Coupe and Roadster (soft top).
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
Take your pick from two Tesla models?0-60mph....
McLaren P1 - 2.6 secs
Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 2.5 secs
Bugatti Chiron - 2.5 secs
Porsche 918 Spyder - 2.4 secs
LaFerrari - 2.4 secs
Tesla Model S Plaid - <2.2 secs
Tesla Roadster 2.0 - <1.9 secs
Need I say anymore
Silenceisgolden said:
Take your pick from two Tesla models?
0-60mph....
McLaren P1 - 2.6 secs
Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 2.5 secs
Bugatti Chiron - 2.5 secs
Porsche 918 Spyder - 2.4 secs
LaFerrari - 2.4 secs
Tesla Model S Plaid - <2.2 secs
Tesla Roadster 2.0 - <1.9 secs
Need I say anymore
You’ve used one of your “8” posts to quote figures of imaginary Tesla’s. They don’t exist yet. Yawn. 0-60mph....
McLaren P1 - 2.6 secs
Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 2.5 secs
Bugatti Chiron - 2.5 secs
Porsche 918 Spyder - 2.4 secs
LaFerrari - 2.4 secs
Tesla Model S Plaid - <2.2 secs
Tesla Roadster 2.0 - <1.9 secs
Need I say anymore
Silenceisgolden said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
Take your pick from two Tesla models?0-60mph....
McLaren P1 - 2.6 secs
Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 2.5 secs
Bugatti Chiron - 2.5 secs
Porsche 918 Spyder - 2.4 secs
LaFerrari - 2.4 secs
Tesla Model S Plaid - <2.2 secs
Tesla Roadster 2.0 - <1.9 secs
Need I say anymore
Sure evs will do well in lots of those metrics, but it's not so stark.
And the tesla roadster 2.0 doesn't even exist yet. It's one of the 4 vehicles tesla has taken deposits on but is yet to deliver. As I understand it you can't buy a plaid spec model s either yet?
A Tesla might be great on two stats v’s a fast ICE car ie 0-60 and (questionable) green credentials but it’s a silly argument.
If EVs can save the planet then why are Tesla bigging up the performance (which by definition isn’t efficient, green etc )
An EVs batteries will overheat and need rests between fast runs.
The emotional engagement with a fast EV is more akin to a roller coaster than a sports car.
If EVs can save the planet then why are Tesla bigging up the performance (which by definition isn’t efficient, green etc )
An EVs batteries will overheat and need rests between fast runs.
The emotional engagement with a fast EV is more akin to a roller coaster than a sports car.
Jon39 said:
Is it true that in China, most Teslas are powered by coal fired power stations ?
A series of studies by Tsinghua University, whose alumni includes the incumbent president, showed electric vehicles charged in China produce two to five times as much particulate matter and chemicals that contribute to smog versus gas-engine cars.
m4tti said:
You’ve used one of your “8” posts to quote figures of imaginary Tesla’s. They don’t exist yet. Yawn.
Getting back to my point though I'd bet there is more chance of seeing the "imaginary" Tesla's next year than the TVR Griffith. The Model S Plaid will be launched in the next couple of months and the Roadster at the end of next year. Investors are falling over themselves to put their money into Tesla (Share price up over 50% in 3 months) as they see this as a rapidly growing business and the future of car manufacturing. Porsche expect that 50% of their sales will be electric by 2023 and all electric from 2030. Ferrari plans to have a 60% hybrid line-up by 2022 and an all electric car in 2025. The manufacturers who bury their heads in the sand and keep on churning out the same old ICE cars will be left behind to shrink or die. Unfortunately this is how I see the business model of newco so this is why it is dead before it's even started IMHO. The only way to resurrect the TVR brand is to massively change their expectations (500 cars/year?
) and start up ASAP as a cottage industry to serve a very small niche market. At least we will then get to see the cars actually being produced and on the road as the move from ICE vehicles to Electric will happen sooner and more quickly than most people suspect. The date when the petrol engine is banned is approaching at rapid speed so Les Edgar and newco need to pull their fingers out before it is too late.Agree with the above. The proposed business model won’t work. So it needs to change. Lower volume, much lower investment demand etc OR move to EV/hybrid. I can’t see them being able to move back to a low volume / ‘shed’ model. So I think they will give up and maybe, just maybe, this gives someone else the chance.
Gazzab said:
Agree with the above. The proposed business model won’t work. So it needs to change. Lower volume, much lower investment demand etc OR move to EV/hybrid. I can’t see them being able to move back to a low volume / ‘shed’ model. So I think they will give up and maybe, just maybe, this gives someone else the chance.
Tvr newco have very much backed themselves into a corner it seems. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but given they have absolutely no technical ability whatsoever they'd have done much better to licence the name out to a company that can actually do something with it. baconsarney said:
I cannot for the life of me see any appeal in the idea of an EV TVR......................
But maybe some people will. Can you imagine the conversation:‘Darling I am looking at buying an expensive new sports car...’
If the sentence is finished with ‘it’s electric’ instead of ‘...it’s a V8’ then that might win over support from the home office.
Silenceisgolden said:
Gazzab said:
Which Tesla s***s all over a petrol HyperCar?
Take your pick from two Tesla models?0-60mph....
McLaren P1 - 2.6 secs
Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 2.5 secs
Bugatti Chiron - 2.5 secs
Porsche 918 Spyder - 2.4 secs
LaFerrari - 2.4 secs
Tesla Model S Plaid - <2.2 secs
Tesla Roadster 2.0 - <1.9 secs
Need I say anymore
https://youtu.be/uhYEdD94vH0
I may start playing with these in my workshop with a view to build an electric Griff...
I may start playing with these in my workshop with a view to build an electric Griff...
crosseyedlion said:
https://youtu.be/uhYEdD94vH0
I may start playing with these in my workshop with a view to build an electric Griff...
I may start playing with these in my workshop with a view to build an electric Griff...
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