New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Helicopter Dicky doesn’t respond on the official FB page either now. Gone very quiet after all those ‘Watch this space’ comments.
I honestly hope that I can look back at my posts on this thread in years to come and say to myself ‘Well, don’t you look like a bit of a t
t now?’ , as the thousandth Griff rolls off the production line.
I won’t hold my breath though.
I honestly hope that I can look back at my posts on this thread in years to come and say to myself ‘Well, don’t you look like a bit of a t
t now?’ , as the thousandth Griff rolls off the production line. I won’t hold my breath though.
El stovey said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Come on TVR, the silence really is deafening 
Apparently if you email them you get an update with loads of info but the guy who did it isn’t sharing the details incase people take the piss.Seems an odd way to communicate but there you go.
skwdenyer said:
El stovey said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Come on TVR, the silence really is deafening
Apparently if you email them you get an update with loads of info but the guy who did it isn’t sharing the details incase people take the piss.Seems an odd way to communicate but there you go.
Can’t believe we’ve nearly consumed another month....
My interest was to always keep an eye on the car as it came to production in case that made it look like the white car a few hundred pages back. Which would have then got me back in the queue...
Sadly not. As a massive anti climax which is kind of weird at the same time.
My interest was to always keep an eye on the car as it came to production in case that made it look like the white car a few hundred pages back. Which would have then got me back in the queue...
Sadly not. As a massive anti climax which is kind of weird at the same time.
Well I'm glad that the person who saw Gordon Murray on his way to the bank didn't shout at him, because I don't think any of this is his fault. Someone posted previously that GM's role was to deliver a working prototype. He has done that and that was probably the end of his involvement.
Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
LucyP said:
Well I'm glad that the person who saw Gordon Murray on his way to the bank didn't shout at him, because I don't think any of this is his fault. Someone posted previously that GM's role was to deliver a working prototype. He has done that and that was probably the end of his involvement.
Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
A friend who works at AM in the test department told me their development budget is £350M per year and they plan to launch One new model per year!Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
butch890 said:
A friend who works at AM in the test department told me their development budget is £350M per year and they plan to launch One new model per year!
Sure ? Their guidance says they plan to sell 7k cars. The number they state is 320-340M but includes capital expenditures. It can't be research alone, that would mean around 50k per sold car ?edit:
current Brexit developments surely not helpful either.
Edited by bullittmcqueen on Friday 24th May 15:05
LucyP said:
Well I'm glad that the person who saw Gordon Murray on his way to the bank didn't shout at him, because I don't think any of this is his fault. Someone posted previously that GM's role was to deliver a working prototype. He has done that and that was probably the end of his involvement.
Correct
Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
Ah but you do need a factory to produce the prototypes you later mention
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
No doubt you are correct but this is TVR, not AM
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
Just to remind you, this is not the AM section
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Yes, and its probably still boring.....
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
NO to both questions, it arrives on a trailer when its allowed out and then driven a little on private roads/tracks
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
Ah but they do need somewhere like a nice Welsh government refurbished factory to actually build your prototypes and for the engineers to do their bit. Money may well be the stumbling block
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
Who knows? No updates, no info, nothing.
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Sorry, really cannot answer this question other than there are at least 500 deposit holders at present.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
I think I get the drift of your very first post on PH.
Correct
Surely the problem here is not the EU, or Welsh factories, or Brexit, or Trump, or whatever else has been speculated to be the cause. It's just the virtual impossibility of a "start-up" car company going from one 3rd party produced prototype to mass production.
Ah but you do need a factory to produce the prototypes you later mention
The Sniff Petrol site had a form online parodying the start-up British sports car company. On a more serious note, Andy Palmer, the CEO of Aston Martin wrote in Autocar last month, that there would be more mergers between car companies, and that spending $1 billion developing a car, and then discounting it, to keep sales and thus the factory going was a broken model.
No doubt you are correct but this is TVR, not AM
And without turning this post into the Financial Times, let's just remind ourselves of A-M's losses last year (£68.2 million), caused mainly by the flotation on the stock market, but also by the cost of developing new models. And of course the loss caused the share price to collapse. When they first floated on the market last October, they were £19 per share. They are less then £9 today.
Just to remind you, this is not the AM section
It was reported that General Motors built 170 prototypes of one of their family cars, and drove over 1 million miles testing it. A boring, ordinary $20K odd family car.
Yes, and its probably still boring.....
Does TVR have any other prototypes than the red one? Is the one that they have, actually road legal?
NO to both questions, it arrives on a trailer when its allowed out and then driven a little on private roads/tracks
They don't need Welsh factories. They need lots of: prototypes; development engineers; development parts; time; test facilities; and money.
Ah but they do need somewhere like a nice Welsh government refurbished factory to actually build your prototypes and for the engineers to do their bit. Money may well be the stumbling block
How many of these boxes can they tick at the moment? Many? Any?
Who knows? No updates, no info, nothing.
And if they can actually launch the car, and tool-up a factory to produce it, how many are they actually going to sell? Seat launched the Cupra brand as a stand-alone with an SUV, not a hot-hatchback or a coupe/sports-car. Their explanation - SUV's sell. BMW and Toyota have jointly developed the new Z4 and Supra. What are Jaguar's best selling models? SUVs. And how much did JLR lose last year? £3.6 billon.
Sorry, really cannot answer this question other than there are at least 500 deposit holders at present.
Who believes that Porsche could successfully launch a new 911 today, using as much VW technology as TVR are using Ford's, and make it viable and profitable? But for the Macan's and Cayennes (which are in turn based on and platform/technology shared with other VAG models), there would be no Porsche and no 911 today.
I think I get the drift of your very first post on PH.
meanwhile in Germany, it really seems to happen (wiesmann) of course seeing is believing, but good hopes.
said:
AutoRAI.nl contacted Wiesmann and what appears? The unveiling of the new Wiesmann is near! At least, photos will be released soon.
Photos and video coming
"We are in the middle of the process of publishing a new message together with some important photos and video content," says Jessica Binns, head of Branding & Marketing at Wiesmann Sports Cars GmbH, in conversation with AutoRAI.nl.
https://autorai.nl/onthulling-nieuwe-wiesmann-nabij/Photos and video coming
"We are in the middle of the process of publishing a new message together with some important photos and video content," says Jessica Binns, head of Branding & Marketing at Wiesmann Sports Cars GmbH, in conversation with AutoRAI.nl.
Industry restructuring in full swing. Just read that Audi will discontinue the TT and the R8 (didn't say when though) and goal is to sell 1 Mio electric cars per year by 2025.
"To make sure profits don't suffer, 50% of sold cars will be " ...... SUVs !
edit:
Apologies if this is old news. Plus, it looks like there will be replacements:
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2...
"To make sure profits don't suffer, 50% of sold cars will be " ...... SUVs !
edit:
Apologies if this is old news. Plus, it looks like there will be replacements:
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2...
Edited by bullittmcqueen on Saturday 25th May 20:14
m4tti said:
It’s pointless. The infrastructure won’t be in the uk. The renewables won’t be sufficient and the nuclear power program is being down scaled.
Hold on I know.. lets burn some coal and wood.
That's the one thing i don't get. If climate change is real (extremely hard to argue against) and Co2 is the culprit (very, very hard to argue against) , i don't get get why all the greens are fighting against nuclear. We're taking these things offline in Germany. Political stunt after Fukushima when Merkel did multiple u-turns and stole the whole agenda from the greens. Hadn't that many Tsunamis here, neither before nor after Fukushima and are now buying french electricity from almost defunct nuke power plants. Hold on I know.. lets burn some coal and wood.
Instead, we're building gas and coal plants, have declared a holy war against Diesels because of out-of-this world micro-particles limits and are not seeing the wood for all the trees.
Will not end well.
bullittmcqueen said:
That's the one thing i don't get. If climate change is real (extremely hard to argue against) and Co2 is the culprit (very, very hard to argue against) , i don't get get why all the greens are fighting against nuclear. We're taking these things offline in Germany. Political stunt after Fukushima when Merkel did multiple u-turns and stole the whole agenda from the greens. Hadn't that many Tsunamis here, neither before nor after Fukushima and are now buying french electricity from almost defunct nuke power plants.
Instead, we're building gas and coal plants, have declared a holy war against Diesels because of out-of-this world micro-particles limits and are not seeing the wood for all the trees.
Will not end well.
It’s just a bunch of toilet nonsense for the remedial element of society to buy into. Because they’re too lazy or too dumb to understand what’s going on. I have a relative who was a chairman of British Gas, mbe and invested heavily in the energy sector, by all accounts, It ain’t gonna happen in the proposed time scales. Instead, we're building gas and coal plants, have declared a holy war against Diesels because of out-of-this world micro-particles limits and are not seeing the wood for all the trees.
Will not end well.
Edited by m4tti on Sunday 26th May 09:26
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