New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
m4tti said:
bullittmcqueen said:
That's the one thing i don't get. If climate change is real (extremely hard to argue against) and Co2 is the culprit (very, very hard to argue against) , i don't get get why all the greens are fighting against nuclear. We're taking these things offline in Germany. Political stunt after Fukushima when Merkel did multiple u-turns and stole the whole agenda from the greens. Hadn't that many Tsunamis here, neither before nor after Fukushima and are now buying french electricity from almost defunct nuke power plants.
Instead, we're building gas and coal plants, have declared a holy war against Diesels because of out-of-this world micro-particles limits and are not seeing the wood for all the trees.
Will not end well.
It’s just a bunch of toilet nonsense for the remedial element of society to buy into. Because they’re too lazy or too dumb to understand what’s going on. I have a relative who was a chairman of British Gas, mbe and invested heavily in the energy sector, by all accounts, It ain’t gonna happen in the proposed time scales. Instead, we're building gas and coal plants, have declared a holy war against Diesels because of out-of-this world micro-particles limits and are not seeing the wood for all the trees.
Will not end well.
Edited by m4tti on Sunday 26th May 09:26
So the project has effectively stalled although TVR haven’t admitted as much. So it seems to me that funding is just not in places for it to move forward. Obviously the big news which was imminent a year ago has failed to materialise and without a massive funding source then the project is over. TVR said the delay was down to the EU and their tendering process but that was completed in February so it looks like they have used that as a convenient smokescreen for the delay while the looked for funding. It seems like they thought they had it(the BIG news) but it has obviously notarrived or the project would be moving forward at a pace. Unless funding is secured very quickly and I suspect that will be very difficult then the project will be mothballed which in reality it has been for some time. I suspect it is just a matter of time before TVR tell the deposit holders and media as much. The reason they haven’t so far will be returning the funds they got from the Welsh government because at the moment they clearly do not have the funds for that either. Sad but time to face the facts. Announce it is over and see if there is anyone else out there who is interested in building a new TVR.
I came across this on another forum. It’s a Jay Leno’s Garage episode with the Rally Fighter - which in fairness I’d never heard of before.
https://youtu.be/OetiD8rL1KU
Sure it’s an off road vehicle (but road legal) and not a sport car but watching big the interview I was hard pressed not to be shouting at the screen ‘TVR - THIS is how it’s done - pay attention Les.”
Design philosophy with input from an ‘on line community’, using off the shelf parts where possible, and getting the buyer involved.
Loved the fighter plane colour scheme on the other one. And then when he reveals the price - and 50 built so far. If these guys ever switched to a sports car I’d be in line. Jay Leno’s comments also interesting about the folks that turn up with a car and plans of what they’re going to do, but it never happens. Anyway - I rather enjoyed the video and it just seemed the right way to do a low volume manufacture.
https://youtu.be/OetiD8rL1KU
Sure it’s an off road vehicle (but road legal) and not a sport car but watching big the interview I was hard pressed not to be shouting at the screen ‘TVR - THIS is how it’s done - pay attention Les.”
Design philosophy with input from an ‘on line community’, using off the shelf parts where possible, and getting the buyer involved.
Loved the fighter plane colour scheme on the other one. And then when he reveals the price - and 50 built so far. If these guys ever switched to a sports car I’d be in line. Jay Leno’s comments also interesting about the folks that turn up with a car and plans of what they’re going to do, but it never happens. Anyway - I rather enjoyed the video and it just seemed the right way to do a low volume manufacture.
natben said:
So the project has effectively stalled although TVR haven’t admitted as much. So it seems to me that funding is just not in places for it to move forward. Obviously the big news which was imminent a year ago has failed to materialise and without a massive funding source then the project is over. TVR said the delay was down to the EU and their tendering process but that was completed in February so it looks like they have used that as a convenient smokescreen for the delay while the looked for funding. It seems like they thought they had it(the BIG news) but it has obviously notarrived or the project would be moving forward at a pace. Unless funding is secured very quickly and I suspect that will be very difficult then the project will be mothballed which in reality it has been for some time. I suspect it is just a matter of time before TVR tell the deposit holders and media as much. The reason they haven’t so far will be returning the funds they got from the Welsh government because at the moment they clearly do not have the funds for that either. Sad but time to face the facts. Announce it is over and see if there is anyone else out there who is interested in building a new TVR.
As much as i would like to disagree, i guess that's pretty much spot on. Election weekend has only added to these concerns as (at least in Germany) "climate change" is now the talk of the town. Big parties have been dealt a disastrous blow and each and everyone talked about "having to understand and deliver on climate change" while the greens where laughing all the way to the bank. Expect way tougher regulations and CO2 taxes soon. Not good for independent petrol sports car makers. Second, my personal guesstimate for hard Brexit is now at 70% and if all else fails to sink the project, that will safely do.
Edited by bullittmcqueen on Monday 27th May 22:00
Gazzab said:
It’s all guesswork and assumptions. Maybe they do have the finance (but have some leg work to do before they can move forward) or maybe they do have some exciting news (but again they have some leg work...). Ok it doesn’t seem that way but fingers crossed they will have news soon.
I think they would communicate if they had the finance in place but were being delayed by "leg work" or similar.They would have no reason not to, we would understand delays of this nature.
Some number of pages back, I was castigated for suggesting that things are now verging on fraudulent.
There has been no news for ages, the money seems to have gone/frittered away/no more coming. The car is already out of date. There is an ever decreasing world market for big petrol engines in sports cars. As has already been mentioned, SUVs are the 'big car' of choice now, with a hybrid engine. And like it or not, internal combustion is slowly but surely becoming socially unacceptable.
Newco TVR is stillborn. It's only a matter of time until it is officially pronounced so.
There has been no news for ages, the money seems to have gone/frittered away/no more coming. The car is already out of date. There is an ever decreasing world market for big petrol engines in sports cars. As has already been mentioned, SUVs are the 'big car' of choice now, with a hybrid engine. And like it or not, internal combustion is slowly but surely becoming socially unacceptable.
Newco TVR is stillborn. It's only a matter of time until it is officially pronounced so.
The demise of the IC engine is inevitable but not yet. There is a 400 bhp Type R version released this week:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/te...
And BMW are doing an M50i for the X5 and X7:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
'Supercars' may be hybrid but they come at a huge price at the moment.
The big BUT though, is that these are cars already in production. I think TVR may have missed the boat. If they'd got production into full swing even this year (2 yrs after the original plan), it may have been a success. But I fear it may be too late now...
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/te...
And BMW are doing an M50i for the X5 and X7:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
'Supercars' may be hybrid but they come at a huge price at the moment.
The big BUT though, is that these are cars already in production. I think TVR may have missed the boat. If they'd got production into full swing even this year (2 yrs after the original plan), it may have been a success. But I fear it may be too late now...
Tyre Smoke said:
Some number of pages back, I was castigated for suggesting that things are now verging on fraudulent.
There has been no news for ages, the money seems to have gone/frittered away/no more coming. The car is already out of date. There is an ever decreasing world market for big petrol engines in sports cars. As has already been mentioned, SUVs are the 'big car' of choice now, with a hybrid engine. And like it or not, internal combustion is slowly but surely becoming socially unacceptable.
Newco TVR is stillborn. It's only a matter of time until it is officially pronounced so.
Afraid so. But i'd never say it was fraudulent. I'm sure they did their best and they took great personal risks in doing so. That's to be applauded. It's a closing window with mounting headwinds. But they could never succeed building a SUV. Actually their plan to build an old-school sports-car is a pretty good one. There is a market for them and competition is leaving the field one by one. As i said, closing time window though, but they got 10 years+ left. There has been no news for ages, the money seems to have gone/frittered away/no more coming. The car is already out of date. There is an ever decreasing world market for big petrol engines in sports cars. As has already been mentioned, SUVs are the 'big car' of choice now, with a hybrid engine. And like it or not, internal combustion is slowly but surely becoming socially unacceptable.
Newco TVR is stillborn. It's only a matter of time until it is officially pronounced so.
Still, all that doesn't help and the lack of news is not encouraging. Still, if they build it, i'll be in line to buy it.
I'm not suggesting that Newco set out to be fraudulent. I believe their somewhat naive plan was genuine. I'm just suggesting that now it's starting to look a bit dodgy with the total silence.
But building cars in a shed in Blackpool would no longer be viable, even if Oldco had survived. Starting up a car building company today is financial suicide. Even more so than buying a football club.
But building cars in a shed in Blackpool would no longer be viable, even if Oldco had survived. Starting up a car building company today is financial suicide. Even more so than buying a football club.
When any company falls silent towards its customers you have to start wondering what’s really going on.
From the outset they were trying to get anyone from the old school Tvr on board both for technical skills and cash!
Some did some didn’t, hardly a massive investment either way, it’s always needed a big investor/s and presumably it’s simply not materialised, the welsh/ EU connection which has been used to deflect some doubts has been shown to be in place and ready to go,, Tvr simply have not come up with the money to proceed, so it looks from a layman’s point of view.
Is that because there is a technical problem with electronics, which to me seems ridiculous as it’s a stock engine but maybe a major issue of which Tvr can not go making public as they need the good will!
It would place them in a very difficult position, is the car being tested in secret or simply sitting in a corner!
Or is that just a bad rumour put out by someone to deflect the real problem, no investment money to spend!
It’s very upsetting reading these pages for all of us I’d hope,,,,,,
Long live TVR
From the outset they were trying to get anyone from the old school Tvr on board both for technical skills and cash!
Some did some didn’t, hardly a massive investment either way, it’s always needed a big investor/s and presumably it’s simply not materialised, the welsh/ EU connection which has been used to deflect some doubts has been shown to be in place and ready to go,, Tvr simply have not come up with the money to proceed, so it looks from a layman’s point of view.
Is that because there is a technical problem with electronics, which to me seems ridiculous as it’s a stock engine but maybe a major issue of which Tvr can not go making public as they need the good will!
It would place them in a very difficult position, is the car being tested in secret or simply sitting in a corner!
Or is that just a bad rumour put out by someone to deflect the real problem, no investment money to spend!
It’s very upsetting reading these pages for all of us I’d hope,,,,,,
Long live TVR
phazed said:
The car is sitting parked up at their office a few miles from me.
I'm just waiting for Les to see the light and offer it to me for 20 grand and write it off as a loss .
You are in the ideal position to stroll along and ask them whats going on. You can do it and don't forget to report back.I'm just waiting for Les to see the light and offer it to me for 20 grand and write it off as a loss .
What, there was nobody in
m4tti said:
It’s pointless. The infrastructure won’t be in the uk. The renewables won’t be sufficient and the nuclear power program is being down scaled.
Hold on I know.. lets burn some coal and wood.
I see that argument a lot as to a reason why it won’t happen, as if it’s some sort of insurmountable task.....it makes no sense. Why is there seemingly an expectation that all of a sudden a full nationwide charging infrastructure will be in place to rival the petrol station infrastructure? Of course that can’t happen.Hold on I know.. lets burn some coal and wood.
It’ll develop over time as demand slowly increases. Pretty much identical to how the mobile phone infrastructure has developed over the past 2-3 decades.
I imagine similar statements and arm flinging gestures were being made about that in the late 80’s, early 90’s. Look where we are (the world) is today just a few decades later.
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 28th May 18:58
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