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My post from 2 plus years ago....Where TVR were on day ONE and where they are now. A@...
Thursday 15th November 2018
IF and only IF, LE and GM had been realistic with the time scale to production, when they sat down with Revolve (you see Roush/Mountune and ATM one of the UK's leading Hydrogen engine companies) PRIOR, to choosing Cosworth and a NA aspirated V8 (for the name)!...we would screaming 'keep up at the back' to the government and champing at the bit for investment in infrastructure in a realistic 'green' energy, not one person would be would feel that the deposit had been 'wasted' and time-scale to producing a car would not even come into it.
With the subsidy driven electric car systems now failing..the ability to replace the Lithium battery packs in the future..the ability to charge the 'on street cars' ...not so 'green' electricity. I would love to see a production car, BUT! all IMHO, ....AND, I like, MY 8 TVR's. A@
Thursday 15th November 2018
IF and only IF, LE and GM had been realistic with the time scale to production, when they sat down with Revolve (you see Roush/Mountune and ATM one of the UK's leading Hydrogen engine companies) PRIOR, to choosing Cosworth and a NA aspirated V8 (for the name)!...we would screaming 'keep up at the back' to the government and champing at the bit for investment in infrastructure in a realistic 'green' energy, not one person would be would feel that the deposit had been 'wasted' and time-scale to producing a car would not even come into it.
With the subsidy driven electric car systems now failing..the ability to replace the Lithium battery packs in the future..the ability to charge the 'on street cars' ...not so 'green' electricity. I would love to see a production car, BUT! all IMHO, ....AND, I like, MY 8 TVR's. A@
Silenceisgolden said:
He's totally delusional if he thinks car manufacturers will still be installing ICE engines in another 20-30 years. ..........
I live close to Portsmouth and Southsea. If you live there you are lucky if you can park in the same street let alone in front of your house so I fail to see how anyone could contemplate cars with no ICE when there is no practical way for everyone to charge them.Steve
DIfferent issue here - rural driving in winter requires some interesting trips through fords. Just been behind an Alfa that was very hesitant of wading through 18 inches of water. I can imagine an electric car drive would be panicing about a very big buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
PuffsBack said:
DIfferent issue here - rural driving in winter requires some interesting trips through fords. Just been behind an Alfa that was very hesitant of wading through 18 inches of water. I can imagine an electric car drive would be panicing about a very big buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
An Alfa with a 18” fording depth?Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
PuffsBack said:
DIfferent issue here - rural driving in winter requires some interesting trips through fords. Just been behind an Alfa that was very hesitant of wading through 18 inches of water. I can imagine an electric car drive would be panicing about a very big buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
?? I'd be hesitant at a foot and a half depth as well. Ford Ranger - YAWN! Splash and out the otherside
Unless in an SUV or similar vehicle with increased ride height. That sort of depth it'd also be very hard to know if it got deeper.
cirks said:
There have also been multiple 'industry experts' stating (and no, I'm not going to dig out articles!) that Hydrogen fuel cell rather than battery technology will be the longer term future. Hydrogen run cars of course can use version of ICE. Therefore "producing ICEs in another 30 years" might not be wrong - the fuel they're running on might be different though.
I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
I'll save you the trouble. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analys...I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
N7GTX said:
cirks said:
There have also been multiple 'industry experts' stating (and no, I'm not going to dig out articles!) that Hydrogen fuel cell rather than battery technology will be the longer term future. Hydrogen run cars of course can use version of ICE. Therefore "producing ICEs in another 30 years" might not be wrong - the fuel they're running on might be different though.
I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
I'll save you the trouble. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analys...I still find it odd so many people care about the amazing 0-60 times of electric vehicles. Yes, generally quicker than petrol/diesel cars but vast majority of car buyers never use the 0-60. Mine does 3.5 - who cares. It's the 50 to highly illegal speed that's far more interesting and useful
Energy efficiency.
Starting with 100 units of electricity, a battery powered vehicle will get 90% to 95% on the ground, a hydrogen fuel cell will put 35% percent and burning hydrogen in an ICE engine (god forbid) will leave you with 15%.
That means, that hydrogen fuelcells will need 3 times the windmills/solar whatever, and hydrogen burning will use 8 times the energy. As long as these cost money, and they do, this matters. Funny thing is, that many of the hydrogen freaks will also tell you, that there's not enough electricity to power all EVs only to suggest hydrogen as a solution, which in turn, tada, uses at least three times as much. But funnily, "energy prices and quantities don't matter" with hydrogen, "cause it's all from renewables" !! Ha !
Also, hydrogen is a b
h to handle. Extremely aggressive, diffuses through metal and reacting with the oxygene in it on the way out, resulting in corrosion. So needs composite containers and insane pressure to get to useful power-ratio. Liquid organic hydrogen carriers is usually mentioned next, but lowers efficiency chain even further. Same goes for synthetic fuels. Planes will use it as they battery powered planes are of limited capability and if you absolutely have to be carbon neutral. But it will be more expensive.
There will be applications for hydrogen, when its inefficiencies are offset or there is no other choice. No power stations, not enough resources for battery production, etc. But the price will be paid.
Zippee said:
?? I'd be hesitant at a foot and a half depth as well.
Unless in an SUV or similar vehicle with increased ride height. That sort of depth it'd also be very hard to know if it got deeper.
18" is well within the wading depth of a Ranger (its just over 30") - mine has to cope with 18" on a daily basis at the moment. Bloody climate change is making everything much more flooded Unless in an SUV or similar vehicle with increased ride height. That sort of depth it'd also be very hard to know if it got deeper.
(I blame bloody polluting 3.2 litre straight 5 diesels kicking out huge amounts of C02)Seriously though its going to be a long while before electric is a viable options for many, Its going to work in Suburbia a long time before it works in urban and rural
V6 Pushfit said:
An ICE with water in it stops.
An EV will go bang?
Yep but you can put the air intake higher up easily. Raising the battery height is much more of a challange.An EV will go bang?
Telsa's new pickup is meant to have a wading depth of 36"....buts lets see. Pretty sure no one with an EV is going to want to wade through water deeper than their battery pack!
PuffsBack said:
V6 Pushfit said:
An ICE with water in it stops.
An EV will go bang?
Yep but you can put the air intake higher up easily. Raising the battery height is much more of a challange.An EV will go bang?
Telsa's new pickup is meant to have a wading depth of 36"....buts lets see. Pretty sure no one with an EV is going to want to wade through water deeper than their battery pack!
And i mean, it's not like the vehicle manufacturers have specific wading tests now is it?
Oh, wait a minute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfB5VGIarLo
;-)
Max_Torque said:
Lol thats a puddle!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WYDv6VL-Z8 - not sure the i8 is going to make through this!
of course I won't take my Sagaris out if there is the possibility of a drop of rain
Edited by PuffsBack on Monday 13th January 18:54
Edited by PuffsBack on Monday 13th January 18:54
Did a bit of googling and I can confirm that the fiddle to move the year end back 1 day does indeed buy 3 months delay for filing accounts. Apparently it can be done twice ie achieve 6 months delay. There are quite a few posts like that one:
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
Gazzab said:
Did a bit of googling and I can confirm that the fiddle to move the year end back 1 day does indeed buy 3 months delay for filing accounts. Apparently it can be done twice ie achieve 6 months delay. There are quite a few posts like that one:
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
and no coincidence that they have just appointed a new director to TVR Finance Ltd as the CEO and two things happened almost immediately:https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
1. The original and only new car was being put through an SVA test. Wonder if it passed?
2. The accounting period was shortened by one day to give them 3 months more time. The new CEO did this with his own company too.
N7GTX said:
Gazzab said:
Did a bit of googling and I can confirm that the fiddle to move the year end back 1 day does indeed buy 3 months delay for filing accounts. Apparently it can be done twice ie achieve 6 months delay. There are quite a few posts like that one:
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
and no coincidence that they have just appointed a new director to TVR Finance Ltd as the CEO and two things happened almost immediately:https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/shorte...
1. The original and only new car was being put through an SVA test. Wonder if it passed?
2. The accounting period was shortened by one day to give them 3 months more time. The new CEO did this with his own company too.
all they need now is a factory with a roof , production line and a skilled work force and more importantly lots of money... Dom
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