New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Firing both barrels into McLaren because some friends had a bad experience is an interesting definition of 'doing it right' (ignoring the reviews but focusing on other attempts to get involved in manufacturer's affairs). Especially then expecting that McLaren would take you on after or that they would listen to any advice (although I hope they would because flooding the market when the market is dropping is hardly an ideal plan for long-term brand stability).
I'd expect them - and other manufacturers - to keep their distance after such videos.
I quite enjoy his videos in general (particularly those that stick to reviewing) but there is a definite tone-deafness in some of them (that I assume The Surveyor is interpreting as illusions of grandeur).
Maybe the comment provided is blunt but it is hardly 'pathetic' or an 'attack'. It seems like this world is all getting a bit too sensitive - the 'haters gonna hate' mentality just entrenches views and deafens to criticism.
I'd expect them - and other manufacturers - to keep their distance after such videos.
I quite enjoy his videos in general (particularly those that stick to reviewing) but there is a definite tone-deafness in some of them (that I assume The Surveyor is interpreting as illusions of grandeur).
Maybe the comment provided is blunt but it is hardly 'pathetic' or an 'attack'. It seems like this world is all getting a bit too sensitive - the 'haters gonna hate' mentality just entrenches views and deafens to criticism.
The Surveyor said:
jayemm89 said:
FWIW I did email Les on the dearles email address from the depositor mail, and said that I would gladly help put out any news TVR had (in the interest of balance and fairness).
No response. If there is I'll let you all know of course.
Why would he reply to you, you're not a deposit holder.No response. If there is I'll let you all know of course.
You did the same with your dreary vlog about your 'mates' who had a poor experience with McLaren, expecting a response from McLaren HQ. Your delusion of grandeur is laughable.
Thinking they should only pass on any new information to deposit holders is indicative of a mindset that will likely lead to failure.
It’s not a secret club it’s a business supposed to be making and selling cars.
El stovey said:
Because TVR desperately need more interest and deposits and some good publicity
Do they? Evidence for needing more interest? Do they need more deposits? They will need funding but deposits are pretty much insignificant in overall scheme of things for financing the new car. As far as publicity is concerned, yes, loads of negative stuff on here (with a lot of potentially it from those without deposits or even a real likelihood of buying the new car) but in the bigger picture, I'm sure the only publicity they will really care about is that in national and international motoring press when they are in a position for those journalists to test the car. I'm only guessing but I doubt TVR are really that interested in self proclaimed 'influencers'. How many 911 buyers actually buy cars based on what is said on Pistonheads or via a few vloggers? People will buy the car (if it ever comes to fruition) IF it's good (motoring press based and following deposit holder drives) and it's affordable to those looking for a new sports car.El stovey said:
and thus far their PR has been absolutely woefully inadequate.
Can't deny that really but I'd still rather hear little than hear a lot more promises that get brokenEl stovey said:
Thinking they should only pass on any new information to deposit holders is indicative of a mindset that will likely lead to failure.
If there is genuinely little in the way of new information to send to anyone else, why should they send it? Can send loads of info if they make it up but what's the point. Probably a lot of negatives in reality could be sent but that really wouldn't help in the slightest. Better to only send positives when/if there are any and leave those on PH to guess discuss amongst themselves! El stovey said:
It’s not a secret club it’s a business supposed to be making and selling cars.
El stovey said:
Because TVR desperately need more interest and deposits and some good publicity and thus far their PR has been absolutely woefully inadequate.
Thinking they should only pass on any new information to deposit holders is indicative of a mindset that will likely lead to failure.
It’s not a secret club it’s a business supposed to be making and selling cars.
There is no publicity to be gained by responding to his vlog, he's adding nothing to the discussion and certainly nothing even remotely positive.Thinking they should only pass on any new information to deposit holders is indicative of a mindset that will likely lead to failure.
It’s not a secret club it’s a business supposed to be making and selling cars.
Compare his contribution to that from Shmee, like him or not Tim has put the effort in to support the new Griffith, he's actually put time and money into the venture (as apposed to 'I very nearly put down a deposit...'.), he's been out in the car and he's providing positive PR and global publicity.
It's not a secret club, but the venture is clearly having massive difficulties presenting enough positivity to attract investors. Putting out regular messages confirming they are in the mire is not going to attract many investors.
cirks said:
Do they? Evidence for needing more interest? Do they need more deposits? They will need funding but deposits are pretty much insignificant in overall scheme
The value of depositors money is probably insignificant, however a full deposit book shows potential investors the level of interest in the car.Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
Monkeylegend said:
Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
The size of the order book had nothing to do with me putting a deposit down (and being in theory, one of the first 50 to do so)pincher said:
Have any of the Deposit Holders actually tried calling TVR?
Yes, I did several months ago as well as them calling me back. Decent enough chat with them. What they or I discussed is between us as I can't see it's relevant to you. Feel free to call them if you'd like to. However, they're more likely to chat to deposit holders.Monkeylegend said:
cirks said:
Do they? Evidence for needing more interest? Do they need more deposits? They will need funding but deposits are pretty much insignificant in overall scheme
The value of depositors money is probably insignificant, however a full deposit book shows potential investors the level of interest in the car.Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
Why are investors going to want to invest when they look at the (declining) interest, shown by a decline in
deposits for the car.
Deposits (and thus confidence) are definitely important that’s why there’s a LE car in the first place.
They’re not getting new deposits because their PR is non existent. Secret squirrel club updates only for people who are already going to buy the car isn’t going to create any interest.
Their whole PR is terrible. Of course they need to be creating interest. That’s where funding comes from.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 January 16:25
cirks said:
Yes, I did several months ago as well as them calling me back. Decent enough chat with them. What they or I discussed is between us as I can't see it's relevant to you. Feel free to call them if you'd like to. However, they're more likely to chat to deposit holders.
You were obviously worried enough to phone them but If there was anything positive you would be saying so. cirks said:
Monkeylegend said:
Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
The size of the order book had nothing to do with me putting a deposit down (and being in theory, one of the first 50 to do so)pincher said:
Have any of the Deposit Holders actually tried calling TVR?
Yes, I did several months ago as well as them calling me back. Decent enough chat with them. What they or I discussed is between us as I can't see it's relevant to you. Feel free to call them if you'd like to. However, they're more likely to chat to deposit holders.cirks said:
Monkeylegend said:
Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
The size of the order book had nothing to do with me putting a deposit down (and being in theory, one of the first 50 to do so)Would you be happier for your pension fund to invest your life savings in a car company with an empty order book, or with a car company with secured deposits for the first 500 cars
TVR isn't about the car anymore, it's future is all about the ability to secure investment. Their mistake was to fail to secure enough initial funding to start a small-scale i-stream production / development facility before stepping up to the full size factory, they tied themselves up in OJEU notices and government funding protocols which has stifled the project rather than pushing it on. Its a real shame
pincher said:
Have any of the Deposit Holders actually tried calling TVR?
Be interesting to see how you get on, once you have confirmed your personal details / deposit reference etc etc
The number (according tvr the website) is +44 (0)330 120 0032
If anyone does call, could you report back? Ta
I am absolutely sure many of those with deposits do call! The guys are very approachable, honest and will tell all they can. It is clear there are a small number of non deposit holders posting 90% of the content, most of which is negative. Have they spoken to TVR direct... I think not!!Be interesting to see how you get on, once you have confirmed your personal details / deposit reference etc etc
The number (according tvr the website) is +44 (0)330 120 0032
If anyone does call, could you report back? Ta
Will the number of deposits make or break the venture.. I doubt it.... Will negative posts on PistonHeads make or break it....I very much doubt it..
Once they have 'everything' in place and the car in the hands of the motoring press I think that will be the decider!!!
If as good as they initially proclaimed I suspect it will get raving reviews and be hugely popular in the market segment.
cirks said:
Monkeylegend said:
Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
The size of the order book had nothing to do with me putting a deposit down (and being in theory, one of the first 50 to do so)pincher said:
Have any of the Deposit Holders actually tried calling TVR?
Yes, I did several months ago as well as them calling me back. Decent enough chat with them. What they or I discussed is between us as I can't see it's relevant to you. Feel free to call them if you'd like to. However, they're more likely to chat to deposit holders.
they should be talking to everyone who will listen, if you think information is only relevant to ‘deposit holders’ then you probably have little conception of how to promote a businessEl stovey said:
Exactly. Investment is much harder when you’ve gone from having deposits for all the LE cars to having people pull out and places available.
Why are investors going to want to invest when they look at the (declining) interest, shown by a decline in
deposits for the car.
Deposits (and thus confidence) are definitely important that’s why there’s a LE car in the first place.
I'm not disagreeing with you but isn't it the case that there hasn't been declining interest as the amount of interest here demonstrates but the delays and lack of (good) news is causing people to consider other vehicles which are actually available. I know I wouldn't have bought the Trackhawk if I knew that the TVR was definitely going to happen and there had been more news/updates. However, my interest (and deposit) hasn't changed.Why are investors going to want to invest when they look at the (declining) interest, shown by a decline in
deposits for the car.
Deposits (and thus confidence) are definitely important that’s why there’s a LE car in the first place.
However, institutional investors certainly would look at order book but also the capability to deliver as well as market (environmental) conditions too
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
cirks said:
Monkeylegend said:
Would you invest if they can only show an empty order book?
The size of the order book had nothing to do with me putting a deposit down (and being in theory, one of the first 50 to do so)pincher said:
Have any of the Deposit Holders actually tried calling TVR?
Yes, I did several months ago as well as them calling me back. Decent enough chat with them. What they or I discussed is between us as I can't see it's relevant to you. Feel free to call them if you'd like to. However, they're more likely to chat to deposit holders.Monkeylegend said:
I think it is to remind us that as non deposit holders we need to realise how unimportant we are in the grand scheme of things
A non deposit holder could easily have been a deposit holder with the right marketing. But it’s got too thin, strung out and secretive.Thin? Sorry I meant non existent
V6 Pushfit said:
Monkeylegend said:
I think it is to remind us that as non deposit holders we need to realise how unimportant we are in the grand scheme of things
A non deposit holder could easily have been a deposit holder with the right marketing. But it’s got too thin, strung out and secretive.Thin? Sorry I meant non existent
baconsarney said:
So more likely to chat to the minority that haven’t withdrawn their deposit (sounds like desperation) than the wider market... i.e. potential customers.... really? Oh dear they should be talking to everyone who will listen, if you think information is only relevant to ‘deposit holders’ then you probably have little conception of how to promote a business
They have to have something that's worth listening too, otherwise a polite silence is the best policy for any marketing to potential customers. If and when they have genuine news of progress, that's the time for a re-launch. At the moment they don't have a viable business to promote, they only have an investment opportunity and that's something to be embarrassed about rather than excited. they should be talking to everyone who will listen, if you think information is only relevant to ‘deposit holders’ then you probably have little conception of how to promote a businessSilence won't work with those who's deposits they still hold, they need to be drip-fed a message that there is still hope.
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