New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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N7GTX said:
That sounds like you are trying to convince yourself it still looks good 
Okay, this is taken from the official TVR pages. Looks the same to me
Agree, no funding = no factory = no car.
Well Ive seen it in the flesh and I like it a lot.... pics from the London shoot also look great.imho...I don't think that pic does the car justice either! I suspect similar applies to all those who put a deposit down or why on earth would they not take a refund?Okay, this is taken from the official TVR pages. Looks the same to me
Agree, no funding = no factory = no car.
Edited by N7GTX on Sunday 23 February 18:06
Who knows whats happening regarding funding and production plans... only those in very close proximity to the company will do... The rest is speculation until something is announced...
Personally I like the look of the new car, took a while to grow on me mind, but most things do. I like the front as its a retro retake of the 60s original, the side is a classic T350'esque shape and the rear is wild. All of this is subjective, of course, but it works for me.
As others have recently said, I also think £90k is a fair price. What else can you get for this sort of money? An F type is objectively quite similar in what it offers, but the thing is 600kg heavier....just think about that for a minute. A 992 carrera is also similar money, but they're so comprehensively dull no-one cares they exist...compare this to a fire breathing n/a v8, connected to a proper gearbox in a shell with aero beyond its price point. I know where my money would go. I think its easy to forget that in 2020 a BMW 320D is a £40k car; delivering the package TVR have proposed for anything close to the £50-60k we might have liked was never going to happen.
As for bashing TVR because the factory isn't ready, immediately. Things take time. Ask anyone who's restored a house and they'll tell you much the same, and that's without vandal's destroying it for you as well.
As others have recently said, I also think £90k is a fair price. What else can you get for this sort of money? An F type is objectively quite similar in what it offers, but the thing is 600kg heavier....just think about that for a minute. A 992 carrera is also similar money, but they're so comprehensively dull no-one cares they exist...compare this to a fire breathing n/a v8, connected to a proper gearbox in a shell with aero beyond its price point. I know where my money would go. I think its easy to forget that in 2020 a BMW 320D is a £40k car; delivering the package TVR have proposed for anything close to the £50-60k we might have liked was never going to happen.
As for bashing TVR because the factory isn't ready, immediately. Things take time. Ask anyone who's restored a house and they'll tell you much the same, and that's without vandal's destroying it for you as well.
Shanksy87 said:
in a shell with aero beyond its price point.
lol, yeah, of course! What has TVR spent on "advanced aero"? How many hours has it spent in CFD, or in the wind tunnel? Yes GMD know a thing or two about aero, but so do the all the major OEs these days, the difference is, they have the £££ to actually turn their ideas into a working reality. I can't see any particular points in the design of the new Grif that are particularly "advanced" when it comes to aero? (BTW, what is the L/D and CdA for the car, have those figures actually been released?)
Harris on TG last night was tooling around in a Porsche for just shy of £100k. The general opinion was it was the best bang for your buck at that money.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
Tyre Smoke said:
Harris on TG last night was tooling around in a Porsche for just shy of £100k. The general opinion was it was the best bang for your buck at that money.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
I've had a number of Porsches and like them, however both Boxsters have leaked catastrophically so on one the control box under the passenger seat got flooded and on my current one the amplifier flooded has had to be replaced at a cost of over a grand (why ut theseon the floor is anyone's guess!) . The roof mechanism on the first failed and the light switch on this current one has just failed, I could go on but don't tell me Porsches are some kind of ultra-reliable German cast in granite slab. They are not. RichB said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Harris on TG last night was tooling around in a Porsche for just shy of £100k. The general opinion was it was the best bang for your buck at that money.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
It definitely won't smell of hot oil and fibreglass, it will be reliable, probably. The glovebox won't randomly open, the car won't randomly lock. It will start on the push of a button...
If the new TVR ever sees the light of day, it will be laughing stock next to something like that Porsche, or the F-Type, or even the Aston Martin. It will look like a kit car with the fit,finish and reliability to match. There has been no R+D, so testing, the first deliveries (if they ever happen) will be the testing prototypes. Just like the rushed out Speed Six engines for OldCo.
I've had a number of Porsches and like them, however both Boxsters have leaked catastrophically so on one the control box under the passenger seat got flooded and on my current one the amplifier flooded has had to be replaced at a cost of over a grand (why ut theseon the floor is anyone's guess!) . The roof mechanism on the first failed and the light switch on this current one has just failed, I could go on but don't tell me Porsches are some kind of ultra-reliable German cast in granite slab. They are not. Max_Torque said:
...if you think your Porsche is "unreliable" how do you think you will get on with a car developed in a rush on a tiny budget??
I have a Porsche and a TVR so I suppose I am the ideal person to ask 
In 20 years my TVR has let me down just once, no repair bill just an electrical component worked loose. Both Porsches have resulted in thousand pound repairs for failings due to poor design (roof drains not draining as it happens). They obviously didn't spend their hundreds of millions of pounds and tens of thousand test hours on the roof design. I still like the Porsche though. RichB said:
Max_Torque said:
...if you think your Porsche is "unreliable" how do you think you will get on with a car developed in a rush on a tiny budget??
I have a Porsche and a TVR so I suppose I am the ideal person to ask In 20 years my TVR has let me down just once, no repair bill just an electrical component worked loose. Both Porsches have resulted in thousand pound repairs for failings due to poor design (roof drains not draining as it happens). They obviously didn't spend their hundreds of millions of pounds and tens of thousand test hours on the roof design. I still like the Porsche though. The Chim was also a colander until I realised that by cutting out part of the door seal fixed the problem. It was the first car I ever actually broke down in and taken home by the AA.
Also need to remember that if the new car does actually appear, it will have an electronic dash and at least 3 electronic control units (ECUs) - one for the engine, one for the ABS and one for the airbags (there may be more). So plenty of opportunity to become unreliable and not so easy for typical TVR owners to fix meaning a trip to the authorised dealer for plugging in to a diagnostic tool.
RichB said:
Anyway it's all academic as I doubt the new Griffith will ever appear. 
Just feeling sore at the moment given that my Boxster just cost me over a grand because it flooded and now the headlamp switch has just busted!
Blocked roof drains are well documented. It might have been included in a service but overlooked. Just feeling sore at the moment given that my Boxster just cost me over a grand because it flooded and now the headlamp switch has just busted! Let's not talk about Discos and blocked and broken sunroof drains, I've had 5 out of 5 leaking!!!
Just fixed my daughters micra, leaking through rear light, tracking into footwell.
Leak from the back light on my Mercedes last year, fried an ECU.
Pretty common in modern cars unfortunately.
phazed said:
Blocked roof drains are well documented. It might have been included in a service but overlooked..
Indeed, I know. And I ask for them to be cleared with each service done by the official Porsche dealer. One drain tube they reckoned was cracked probably from new when it was installed during build, the other they've just never bothered to clear properly. Oops... Porsche UK stumped up a grand contribution on the first one and £500 on the second. Still cost me a load on top of that. Anyway, as I said... move on, I'll sell it one day and not buy another convertible Porsche. Gassing Station | General TVR Stuff & Gossip | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff