New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

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glow worm

5,845 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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LucyP said:
Why would LNT have been a saviour? He has a car company and that does not really build any road cars. I think his attitude to road cars has been made very clear given the direction in which he took Ginetta.
Before he bought Ginetta in 2005 , I think he was seriously considering TVR and with his participation in Le Mans with the T440s and the successful Tuscan Challenge series , i think it would have been a good match . Ginetta have sold road cars and their new "Supercar" appears to be a road car.

https://www.ginetta.com/akula

I visited the Leeds factory in 2007/8 and was really impressed , especially when compared to Bristol Avenue smile



Edited by glow worm on Saturday 24th October 09:41

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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glow worm said:
Before he bought Ginetta in 2005 , I think he was seriously considering TVR and with his participation in Le Mans with the T440s and the successful Tuscan Challenge series , i think it would have been a good match . Ginetta have sold road cars and their new "Supercar" appears to be a road car.

https://www.ginetta.com/akula

I visited the Leeds factory in 2007/8 and was really impressed , especially when compared to Bristol Avenue smile



Edited by glow worm on Saturday 24th October 09:41
We have no way of knowing what would have been the outcome should he have bought TVR. All we do know is he didn’t and it disintegrated albeit it had been in a nosedive.
As for LT’s road cars. Have they had any orders? Have they put any customer cars on the road in the last year ? Is their Supercar still happening or are spec savers closed ?

Classic Chim

12,424 posts

149 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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It’s well known he prefers to build race cars. A damn sight easier too. I don’t think he makes money but that’s not the point lol, he provides a number of platforms and watching the youngsters driving his cars is a joy. The man’s got my respect and a vital cog in the development of tonnes of tin top drivers learning through his cars. They are rapid too and a proper drivers car.

N7GTX

7,865 posts

143 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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It was a good move on TVR's part to give the contract to Jones Bros. With total lockdown in Wales and (apparently) border patrols checking up on 'essential travel' no excuse not to proceed.
The latest estimate of the cost of the next 17 days to Wales is put at £500m. TVR are due to pay back their loan next year. This will increase pressure to get their loans repaid on time?

scratchchin

Jon39

12,826 posts

143 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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September 2017 - A 'business' using the name TVR, unveiled a concept car and announce their 10 year model plan.

We have now been waiting for 3 years.

October 2020 - PHers still enjoy talking about the eagerly awaited new car and the empty production facility with holes in the roof.

What percentage chance would you now give, for the new Griffith production to ever begin ?

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Aston Martin, who also needed a new factory, unveiled a new model in January 2003. There was an almost 3 year wait before any customer delivers began. The difference between that and TVR though, was pots of money and technical expertise available from Ford. The Vantage went on to become the best selling model in Aston Martin's 100 year history.






DonkeyApple

55,281 posts

169 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Money, legislation, Brexit, Covid.

As for LNT, he’s delivered public proof of what he would have achieved if he’d got his hands on TVR.

We’ll get the new TVR 18 months after they get the funding for the pre-production and an assembly plant will appear half way through that.

Satsuma

299 posts

232 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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you won't get a new TVR.
Not under the current management.

As for Ginetta.
I think Lawrence has done great. he is establishing the brand in racing circles. Its great exposure and the best platform for development.

N7GTX

7,865 posts

143 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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DonkeyApple said:
Money, legislation, Brexit, Covid.

As for LNT, he’s delivered public proof of what he would have achieved if he’d got his hands on TVR.

We’ll get the new TVR 18 months after they get the funding for the pre-production and an assembly plant will appear half way through that.
You can imagine the sucking of teeth if/when Jones Bros get the go-ahead. The 'estimate' for the repairs will need to be revised due to Brexit and Covid and something tells me the price will not be coming down.

LucyP

1,698 posts

59 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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DonkeyApple said:
As for LNT, he’s delivered public proof of what he would have achieved if he’d got his hands on TVR.

Yes. He would have moved it to Leeds, and turned it into effectively a racing car only, manufacturer.

LucyP

1,698 posts

59 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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N7GTX said:
You can imagine the sucking of teeth if/when Jones Bros get the go-ahead. The 'estimate' for the repairs will need to be revised due to Brexit and Covid and something tells me the price will not be coming down.
They will never get the go ahead, because the Welsh Assembly won't authorise it until TVR sign the lease, and TVR will not sign the lease until they need a factory, which they never will.

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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DonkeyApple said:
Money, legislation, Brexit, Covid.

As for LNT, he’s delivered public proof of what he would have achieved if he’d got his hands on TVR.

We’ll get the new TVR 18 months after they get the funding for the pre-production and an assembly plant will appear half way through that.
Money, strategy, capability, approach, communication, brexit, covid, politics...
Legislation is an excuse.

glow worm

5,845 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Gazzab said:
We have no way of knowing what would have been the outcome should he have bought TVR. All we do know is he didn’t and it disintegrated albeit it had been in a nosedive.
As for LT’s road cars. Have they had any orders? Have they put any customer cars on the road in the last year ? Is their Supercar still happening or are spec savers closed ?
Apparently this number

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ginetta_miss...

A lot more than TVR since 2006 smile

Edited by glow worm on Saturday 24th October 17:36

Classic Chim

12,424 posts

149 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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LucyP said:
Yes. He would have moved it to Leeds, and turned it into effectively a racing car only, manufacturer.
Better than not manufacturing anything!
In fact as I’m a huge fan of motorsport a brilliant idea and one way to have kept the name in the public domain.
Racing is in the blood of TVR is it not.TVR’s most successful period was when the Tuscan Challenge entertained the country every other week on TV was it not. Sales boomed.


trev4

740 posts

162 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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What are my winter veg options.

glow worm

5,845 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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trev4 said:
What are my winter veg options.
Welsh leeks I guess smile

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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glow worm said:
Gazzab said:
We have no way of knowing what would have been the outcome should he have bought TVR. All we do know is he didn’t and it disintegrated albeit it had been in a nosedive.
As for LT’s road cars. Have they had any orders? Have they put any customer cars on the road in the last year ? Is their Supercar still happening or are spec savers closed ?
Apparently this number

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ginetta_miss...

A lot more than TVR since 2006 smile

Edited by glow worm on Saturday 24th October 17:36
So that’s a fat zero I guess ?

N7GTX

7,865 posts

143 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Gazzab said:
So that’s a fat zero I guess ?
+1?

DonkeyApple

55,281 posts

169 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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N7GTX said:
Gazzab said:
So that’s a fat zero I guess ?
+1?
Ginetta is depressing testament to what can be achieved when you set out to build road cars with zero experience, a brand of no meaningful value in the segment, no money, no viable product but a cool factory.

glow worm

5,845 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Am I missing something ? ... but 4 does not look like a fat zero to me , small number admittedly , and 3 more than TVR smile



Nice Farbio



T440



Edited by glow worm on Sunday 25th October 11:26

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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glow worm said:
Am I missing something ? ... but 4 does not look like a fat zero to me , small number admittedly , and 3 more than TVR smile



Nice Farbio



T440



Edited by glow worm on Sunday 25th October 11:26
I asked how many cars they had road registered in the last 12 months. You shared no data for this period. Without evidence I assume the answer is a fat zero. Of the cars registered in say the previous 12 months, how many were customer cars v how many were for marketing and testing etc Anyway it’s all irrelevant. Ginetta are of no consequence and of no relevant comparison to TVR.

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