New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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This thread is now so long and unweildy I'm struggling to find the post but I was under the impression that somebody reported on here that TVR have indeed raised their required finance through the markets so presumably if that is indeed the case they will indeed be going ahead with the fit-out etc.
I'm a Lotus fan too and while there is some overlap in their market position I would suggest that both marques have their fans. If you are a TVR fan you don't want a 4/6 pot Lotus, you want a V8 TVR. The Griffith and Cerbera in particular are as iconic as an Elan or Esprit. They've still got 8 years in which to sell a petrol V8 and for many people this is the last decade of opportunity to buy a brand new hand crafted howling V8 British sports car. I for one am hoping that Les and his team will deliver - albeit later than planned, late enough that they should maybe be revisiting some possible design tweaks to keep the design fresh before it makes production. Given how quickly and easily they used to modify designs in the past I would have thought some revisions to the nose and the interior would be well within their capabilities. Damien McTaggart (I think) came up with the Griffith lamb chop dash design on his own in a couple of weeks - it's not that hard if you have the right team in place!
So in short I'm certainly not ruling TVR out yet but am following developments with interest. Has anybody with a deposit down heard anything directly from the TVR team recently? If not that's a poor show.
Saxon
I'm a Lotus fan too and while there is some overlap in their market position I would suggest that both marques have their fans. If you are a TVR fan you don't want a 4/6 pot Lotus, you want a V8 TVR. The Griffith and Cerbera in particular are as iconic as an Elan or Esprit. They've still got 8 years in which to sell a petrol V8 and for many people this is the last decade of opportunity to buy a brand new hand crafted howling V8 British sports car. I for one am hoping that Les and his team will deliver - albeit later than planned, late enough that they should maybe be revisiting some possible design tweaks to keep the design fresh before it makes production. Given how quickly and easily they used to modify designs in the past I would have thought some revisions to the nose and the interior would be well within their capabilities. Damien McTaggart (I think) came up with the Griffith lamb chop dash design on his own in a couple of weeks - it's not that hard if you have the right team in place!
So in short I'm certainly not ruling TVR out yet but am following developments with interest. Has anybody with a deposit down heard anything directly from the TVR team recently? If not that's a poor show.
Saxon
saxon said:
I'm a Lotus fan too and while there is some overlap in their market position I would suggest that both marques have their fans. If you are a TVR fan you don't want a 4/6 pot Lotus, you want a V8 TVR.
WHOA There!Have owned: TVR Chimaera, TVR Griffith 500, TVR Cerbera
Currently Own: TVR Sagaris, Lotus Elise
On Order: Lotus Emira V6
Not on Order: Welsh V8 ugly pig
phazed said:
That made me laugh.
Each to one’s own though and given the choice I would take the TVR. It ticks all the right boxes for me. Front engine, V8, a bit of a mini musclecar. That would suit me.
I’m sure the Lotus is good but not my cup of tea.
lol - so here is my reasoningEach to one’s own though and given the choice I would take the TVR. It ticks all the right boxes for me. Front engine, V8, a bit of a mini musclecar. That would suit me.
I’m sure the Lotus is good but not my cup of tea.
1) If I was to open the garage door and have to choose a between the Griff and the Sag I can't imagine a scenario where I would take the Griff. Its just dull compared to the sillyness of the Sag. The Elise comes out whenever its a B road blast in the offing, the Sag wouldn't know which way it had gone. The TVR and Lotus fulfil two different roles
2) The Toyota V6 in a Lotus is more than a match for anything aurally,
3) Been an out and out TVR Fan since a small boy. Never really been a Lotus fan - until the last few years and I moved house to just around the corner from the factory
Puffsback,
Congrats on the Emira - a tuly lovely car and I totally take your point about the TVR's not even knowing which way a Lotus went on a wiinding B road. Frankly I'm pretty sure my GT86 would outrun my pre-cat Griff on a winding B road most of the time and that's no match for most modern Lotus cars. |To me Lotus sort of lost their way after the Esprit and I couldn't really love the Elise era cars. With the Evora though they started to really build a properl Lotus again and the Emira is just gorgeous.
Saxon
Congrats on the Emira - a tuly lovely car and I totally take your point about the TVR's not even knowing which way a Lotus went on a wiinding B road. Frankly I'm pretty sure my GT86 would outrun my pre-cat Griff on a winding B road most of the time and that's no match for most modern Lotus cars. |To me Lotus sort of lost their way after the Esprit and I couldn't really love the Elise era cars. With the Evora though they started to really build a properl Lotus again and the Emira is just gorgeous.
Saxon
Rounds 5 & 6 of the British GT championship are at Snetts this weekend. One will be popping along this morning in one's Aston 
My first car at the tender age of 17 was a Lotus. In the early sixties there was pretty much nothing else on the road that went round corners as quick as a 7... Then the Europa appeared...
My first car at the tender age of 17 was a Lotus. In the early sixties there was pretty much nothing else on the road that went round corners as quick as a 7... Then the Europa appeared...
baconsarney said:
Rounds 5 & 6 of the British GT championship are at Snetts this weekend. One will be popping along this morning in one's Aston
My first car at the tender age of 17 was a Lotus. In the early sixties there was pretty much nothing else on the road that went round corners as quick as a 7... Then the Europa appeared...
I marshalled there back in the day, being my nearest track. Great times but put me off motorbikes at the time due to running around picking up bits after crashes! My first car at the tender age of 17 was a Lotus. In the early sixties there was pretty much nothing else on the road that went round corners as quick as a 7... Then the Europa appeared...
V6 Pushfit said:
I marshalled there back in the day, being my nearest track. Great times but put me off motorbikes at the time due to running around picking up bits after crashes!
That experience is perhaps the reason you are still alive today.I know I am in a minority on here, but having lost an uncle, and seen friends badly injured, on bikes over the years, in every case through no fault of their own, I have an aversion to the things.
I am still in touch with my dead uncle's daughter - she hates motorbikes too.
I know a TVR doesn't afford as much protection as a modern car, but give me a car every time.
Apart from protection in a crash, you stand a better chance of being seen by the car driver manoeuvring without looking properly.
QBee said:
That experience is perhaps the reason you are still alive today.
I’ve done my best in other ways to be fair - mostly cars! It was the 100m sliding of the riders coming off the bikes or the sidecar turning over when the rider hadn’t realised he’d lost the bloke on pillion that are the enduring memories.
Max_Torque said:
saxon said:
. Has anybody with a deposit down heard anything directly from the TVR team recently? If not that's a poor show.
really? after all this time, all these years with little or no coms or updates? This whole thing has been a "poor show" since the very start imo.....QBee said:
That experience is perhaps the reason you are still alive today.
I know I am in a minority on here, but having lost an uncle, and seen friends badly injured, on bikes over the years, in every case through no fault of their own, I have an aversion to the things.
I am still in touch with my dead uncle's daughter - she hates motorbikes too.
I know a TVR doesn't afford as much protection as a modern car, but give me a car every time.
Apart from protection in a crash, you stand a better chance of being seen by the car driver manoeuvring without looking properly.
They say you should take a risk or chance at least once a day to feel alive. I know I am in a minority on here, but having lost an uncle, and seen friends badly injured, on bikes over the years, in every case through no fault of their own, I have an aversion to the things.
I am still in touch with my dead uncle's daughter - she hates motorbikes too.
I know a TVR doesn't afford as much protection as a modern car, but give me a car every time.
Apart from protection in a crash, you stand a better chance of being seen by the car driver manoeuvring without looking properly.
Riding a bike is like taking several
Horses for courses and like a Tvr bikes should be used in very specific ways.
Sadly most bikes are way to powerful for British roads and ive never understood sports bikes which are meant to look like racers which inspires stupid riding.
I went to a bike meet at a Cafe recently, some blokes felt the need to show how fast they can leave! 70mph in about 3 seconds on a 40 mph road. Only a man with a bad attitude and stupidly fast bike feels the need to do that.
I nearly left pulling a one handed wheelie on my MZ125 which is far harder to do
I know only too well what your talking about as I lost or had friends badly hurt.
My son only 5 years ago god bless him.
I hated the car driver!
But not my son riding a bike.
Bikes were my identity, my freedom, my dreams and the only think I loved doing as a kid.
But after all that I had to ride one again to dispel the hurt and anger, well after that thank god, what I mean is I chose a small bike that’s so engaging, I can’t lie I’m scrapping the pegs,, or at least trying too
but down country lanes with long visions of sight I love it, it’s not fast, it’s about gently riding and feeling alive. I use open face helmet as often as I can so it feels really fast lol.
Sounds reckless and possibly is but few things touch me and make me want to live after loosing my 24 year old beautiful son.
I ride my bike to remind me to give a f
k. It’s odd but it’s just raging at what happened, I feel sick at the thought but my brain kicks in and I become one with this little machine and everything fades away.
I’m free.
Maybe I blamed myself for my sons demise,I taught him. He was an extremely advanced bike handler and skateboarder from like 6 onwards. it’s only by riding a bike again to the beat of my abilities and as safely as I can muster can I dispel this terrible spell.
And I think my son would love to see me trying again instead of giving in.
Actually I spend hrs fettling and looking at it.. like a good Tvr.
It engages my life and fun senses, relieves this heavy burden and gives me a modicum of peace.
If it rains I’ll pull up under a tree as that stuffs for idiots
Have a great day Anthony
Edited by Classic Chim on Sunday 8th August 10:11
Edited by Classic Chim on Sunday 8th August 10:12
Classic Chim said:
QBee said:
That experience is perhaps the reason you are still alive today.
I know I am in a minority on here, but having lost an uncle, and seen friends badly injured, on bikes over the years, in every case through no fault of their own, I have an aversion to the things.
I am still in touch with my dead uncle's daughter - she hates motorbikes too.
I know a TVR doesn't afford as much protection as a modern car, but give me a car every time.
Apart from protection in a crash, you stand a better chance of being seen by the car driver manoeuvring without looking properly.
They say you should take a risk or chance at least once a day to feel alive. I know I am in a minority on here, but having lost an uncle, and seen friends badly injured, on bikes over the years, in every case through no fault of their own, I have an aversion to the things.
I am still in touch with my dead uncle's daughter - she hates motorbikes too.
I know a TVR doesn't afford as much protection as a modern car, but give me a car every time.
Apart from protection in a crash, you stand a better chance of being seen by the car driver manoeuvring without looking properly.
Riding a bike is like taking several
Horses for courses and like a Tvr bikes should be used in very specific ways.
Sadly most bikes are way to powerful for British roads and ive never understood sports bikes which are meant to look like racers which inspires stupid riding.
I went to a bike meet at a Cafe recently, some blokes felt the need to show how fast they can leave! 70mph in about 3 seconds on a 40 mph road. Only a man with a bad attitude and stupidly fast bike feels the need to do that.
I nearly left pulling a one handed wheelie on my MZ125 which is far harder to do
I know only too well what your talking about as I lost or had friends badly hurt.
My son only 5 years ago god bless him.
I hate the car driver!
But not my son riding a bike.
Bikes were my identity, my freedom, my dreams and the only think I loved doing as a kid.
But after all that I had to ride one again to dispel the hurt and anger, well after that thank god, what I mean is I chose a small bike that’s so engaging, I can’t lie I’m scrapping the pegs,, or at least trying too
but down country lanes with long visions of sight I love it, it’s not fast, it’s about gently riding and feeling alive. I use open face helmet as often as I can so it feels really fast lol.
Sounds reckless and possibly is but few things touch me and make me want to live after loosing my 24 year old beautiful son.
I ride my bike to remind me to give a f
k. It’s odd but it’s just raging at what happened, I feel sick at the thought but my brain kicks in and I become one with this little machine and everything fades away.
I’m free.
Maybe I blamed myself for my sons demise,I taught him. He was an extremely advanced bike handler and skateboarder from like 6 onwards. it’s only by riding a bike again to the beat of my abilities and as safely as I can muster can I dispel this terrible spell.
And I think my son would love to see me trying again instead of giving in.
Actually I spend hrs fettling and looking at it.. like a good Tvr.
It engages my life and fun senses, relieves this heavy burden and gives me a modicum of peace.
If it rains I’ll pull up under a tree as that stuffs for idiots
That was very emotional to read, so sorry to hear of your awful loss.
I truly hope that the ping, ping, ping (or is it ring a ding ding - or is that a CZ?), the vibration, smells, buzzy footpegs, distorted vision, ducking your head out the way when you see a fly/wasp/bee just in time, & seeing the blue smoke of progress, of your MZ in the rev counter red zone, give you back all the happiness you deserve when out on the road.
Take care, & keep those revs up.
Wacky Racer said:
I wonder if Les reads this thread? 
At least he would be able to brush up on his gardening skills....
Have faith, he may pull a rabbit out of a hat at the eleventh hour.
Well, he's definitely a workaholic. He owns (or runs) the Parrot pub at Forest Green with his wife. He bought TVR in 2013 and decided to build a new car which is a seriously huge affair. Then in 2018, to add to his workload, he bought Gatton Manor Hotel and Country Club. He also owns and runs a farm in that area. I have no idea how he manages to juggle all these businesses as each on their own is a hugely time consuming enterprise. At least he would be able to brush up on his gardening skills....
Have faith, he may pull a rabbit out of a hat at the eleventh hour.
Hopefully the farm is more profitable than Clarkson's.....
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