New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

[Gazzab]

tertius said:

V6 Pushfit said:

‘Nicked’ Griffith design IMHO, no?

More like an overweight F Type to me.

Overweight Nick Griffin model.

[anonymous-user]

TwinKam said:

Er no. Back to your opium den....

Wine gum and a glass of water more like

[GTRene]

looks good that Noble M500, a bit ala Porsche 918, see >>

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-goo...

[Daggsy]

New TVR Griffith must be available 01.02.20 as BoJo will be getting Brexit done and we will be leaving the EU 31.01.20

[bad company]

Blimey - this is still going on!!!!!

To save me from having to ready 5 million posts over 2000 pages could someone kindly update me. Is this car going to happen?

[Gazzab]

bad company said:

Blimey - this is still going on!!!!!

To save me from having to ready 5 million posts over 2000 pages could someone kindly update me. Is this car going to happen?

Still no signs of life, no smoke signals, probably no hope.... most want it to succeed but TVR remain tight lipped and have not made any progress with factory, staffing, type testing, mule manufacturing etc
It is understood that investment funding is required but not currently forthcoming.
The only news is that they have instructed a co to help them find investment.
18/19 accounts need to be submitted shortly.
Welsh government may start to get twitchy in the new year what with their investment. So we might see the brand be up for sale at this rate.

[bad company]

Gazzab said:

bad company said:

Blimey - this is still going on!!!!!

To save me from having to ready 5 million posts over 2000 pages could someone kindly update me. Is this car going to happen?

Still no signs of life, no smoke signals, probably no hope.... most want it to succeed but TVR remain tight lipped and have not made any progress with factory, staffing, type testing, mule manufacturing etc
It is understood that investment funding is required but not currently forthcoming.
The only news is that they have instructed a co to help them find investment.
18/19 accounts need to be submitted shortly.
Welsh government may start to get twitchy in the new year what with their investment. So we might see the brand be up for sale at this rate.

Bit of a shambles then.

[tescorank]

bad company said:

Gazzab said:

bad company said:

Blimey - this is still going on!!!!!

To save me from having to ready 5 million posts over 2000 pages could someone kindly update me. Is this car going to happen?

Still no signs of life, no smoke signals, probably no hope.... most want it to succeed but TVR remain tight lipped and have not made any progress with factory, staffing, type testing, mule manufacturing etc
It is understood that investment funding is required but not currently forthcoming.
The only news is that they have instructed a co to help them find investment.
18/19 accounts need to be submitted shortly.
Welsh government may start to get twitchy in the new year what with their investment. So we might see the brand be up for sale at this rate.

Bit of a shambles then.

As dead as that bird from the beautiful islands of Mauritius the Dodo.

[crosseyedlion]

Judging by the number of initial deposits, although the world has changed since - do we still think there's a place in the market for a tvr-type vehicle? Perhaps in lower numbers than tvr of current and of old planned for?

Basically, if there was a tvr in all but name released and ready to deliver next week. (perhaps better looking) Would any of you still want one? Low volume, lightweight, fast, manual, but comfortable and stylish.

[BJWoods]

maybe people have moved on.. I'm not so sure that I would spend £90k on any individual car now. maybe if it were fantastic. but even the Alpine £50k +, it looks a fabulous car. but would I want to put £50k in a 2 seater coupe, just for fun..

maybe I'm finally getting old/responsible.......

(though not I hope boring)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ7YAfn36dk

Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 18th December 12:29

[The Surveyor]

crosseyedlion said:

Judging by the number of initial deposits, although the world has changed since - do we still think there's a place in the market for a tvr-type vehicle? Perhaps in lower numbers than tvr of current and of old planned for?

Basically, if there was a tvr in all but name released and ready to deliver next week. (perhaps better looking) Would any of you still want one? Low volume, lightweight, fast, manual, but comfortable and stylish.

I think there is a market for such a car, but that market is very small, and is getting smaller every year.

The failure of TVR new-co to secure funding shows that its not really viable in the current market.

[crosseyedlion]

The Surveyor said:

I think there is a market for such a car, but that market is very small, and is getting smaller every year.

The failure of TVR new-co to secure funding shows that its not really viable in the current market.

I wonder whether it was more a case of 'well you've thrown x millions at it already, and still haven't done any meaningful testing or got close to production, no way we're investing...'

[Gazzab]

crosseyedlion said:

The Surveyor said:

I think there is a market for such a car, but that market is very small, and is getting smaller every year.

The failure of TVR new-co to secure funding shows that its not really viable in the current market.

I wonder whether it was more a case of 'well you've thrown x millions at it already, and still haven't done any meaningful testing or got close to production, no way we're investing...'

Or...what credibility do you have to get this done.

[crosseyedlion]

Gazzab said:

crosseyedlion said:

The Surveyor said:

I think there is a market for such a car, but that market is very small, and is getting smaller every year.

The failure of TVR new-co to secure funding shows that its not really viable in the current market.

I wonder whether it was more a case of 'well you've thrown x millions at it already, and still haven't done any meaningful testing or got close to production, no way we're investing...'

Or...what credibility do you have to get this done.

Absolutely, the only credibility was outsourced early on and no longer part of it. Customers placed deposits based on the product of that credibility. I think it was dishonest to not be upfront that gm wasn't taking on the R&D and productionising.

Effectively its like paying 5k to some wealthy bloke from an unrelated industry with no experience building cars for a deposit to reproduce a car he bought from someone else.

[scottydoesntknow]

£140k new Aston Vantages now available to lease for £1k a month.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[The Surveyor]

crosseyedlion said:

Gazzab said:

crosseyedlion said:

The Surveyor said:

I think there is a market for such a car, but that market is very small, and is getting smaller every year.

The failure of TVR new-co to secure funding shows that its not really viable in the current market.

I wonder whether it was more a case of 'well you've thrown x millions at it already, and still haven't done any meaningful testing or got close to production, no way we're investing...'

Or...what credibility do you have to get this done.

Absolutely, the only credibility was outsourced early on and no longer part of it. Customers placed deposits based on the product of that credibility. I think it was dishonest to not be upfront that gm wasn't taking on the R&D and productionising.

Effectively its like paying 5k to some wealthy bloke from an unrelated industry with no experience building cars for a deposit to reproduce a car he bought from someone else.

Absolutely, most of the deposits were placed long before anybody had seen the car. There was an enthusiasm amongst potential owners to own a new TVR, that enthusiasm has been diluted by years of failed promises and indifference towards the product to the point where there is very little enthusiasm left at all.

I was at the small Lister Bell production facility where they make the gorgeous Stratos replica, small scale production of a very well engineered product, sold as turn-key car as well as a kit and they have a waiting list over two years long. Get the product and the production scale right and it can be done, TVR didn't get either of those right IMHO.

[N7GTX]

crosseyedlion said:

Judging by the number of initial deposits, although the world has changed since - do we still think there's a place in the market for a tvr-type vehicle? Perhaps in lower numbers than tvr of current and of old planned for?

Basically, if there was a tvr in all but name released and ready to deliver next week. (perhaps better looking) Would any of you still want one? Low volume, lightweight, fast, manual, but comfortable and stylish.

As already said, the initial rush produced 500 deposits but now that number has dropped. That seems to indicate there is not a viable future customer base. I was genuinely excited at the thought of TVR starting up again and fell for LE's promises, enthusiasm and hopes. Now though, having endured appalling insensitivity towards deposit holders and fans year after year with broken promises, irregular updates, secret updates and a failure to explain truthfully why there are so many delays, I could not trust him so my answer has to be no. Sadly.

[PowersPerformance]

N7GTX said:

crosseyedlion said:

Judging by the number of initial deposits, although the world has changed since - do we still think there's a place in the market for a tvr-type vehicle? Perhaps in lower numbers than tvr of current and of old planned for?

Basically, if there was a tvr in all but name released and ready to deliver next week. (perhaps better looking) Would any of you still want one? Low volume, lightweight, fast, manual, but comfortable and stylish.

As already said, the initial rush produced 500 deposits but now that number has dropped. That seems to indicate there is not a viable future customer base. I was genuinely excited at the thought of TVR starting up again and fell for LE's promises, enthusiasm and hopes. Now though, having endured appalling insensitivity towards deposit holders and fans year after year with broken promises, irregular updates, secret updates and a failure to explain truthfully why there are so many delays, I could not trust him so my answer has to be no. Sadly.

Unfortunately Electric is the future

Dom

[glow worm]

PowersPerformance said:

Unfortunately Electric is the future

Dom

And a very Merry Christmas to you Dom

Red Wine and Red Meat was bad for everyone last year and this not .

Diesel was the future 10 years ago and now it's DIE !!!

Edited by glow worm on Wednesday 18th December 18:24

[tvrolet]

PowersPerformance said:

Unfortunately Electric is the future

Dom

In the long term probably. But up until I bought another stupidly uneconomical (and fast) V8 I would gladly have coughed up the balance for a new TVR. And indeed if the ‘launch’ was now (without the Les baggage) rather that 5 years ago or so I wouldn’t be surprised if they got 500 deposits. What’s killed it has been endless delays, broken promises and sod-all to show for it all. And I think that will now tarnish anything else TVR related in the future. It’ll be a lack of trust that kills interest, not the appeal of electric motors.