New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Quote "2 millions of pounds between them could be justified" - unquote.
But wasn't that always the raison d'etre of TVR?, Good or in this case stonking performances for a 1/10th of what the Ferrari cost.....And I can vouch that the Cerbera handles corners pretty darn well too!
Anyone see "It's all yellow" (Cerbera) at Silverstone (Tuscan Challenge meet) about 5 years ago? In the Tetrapak European challenge (Strykers, a couple of BMW M3/M5's, Alpine A610 et al) . Qualified on pole, finished 1st,. I was marshalling at Luffield IN, and the Cerb trounced them all - just powered round the outside...No drama - - and the Strykers are out and out track cars - look like LMP2
Nick
But wasn't that always the raison d'etre of TVR?, Good or in this case stonking performances for a 1/10th of what the Ferrari cost.....And I can vouch that the Cerbera handles corners pretty darn well too!
Anyone see "It's all yellow" (Cerbera) at Silverstone (Tuscan Challenge meet) about 5 years ago? In the Tetrapak European challenge (Strykers, a couple of BMW M3/M5's, Alpine A610 et al) . Qualified on pole, finished 1st,. I was marshalling at Luffield IN, and the Cerb trounced them all - just powered round the outside...No drama - - and the Strykers are out and out track cars - look like LMP2
Nick
ellroy said:
Hours ago? Days ago!
On TVR Facebook page when I looked it said 2 hours ago. They've nothing else to say...... 
https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/
Looks like times are hard in motor racing as Rebellion are dropping back to just one car for now due to lack of sponsorship.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/rebellion-scal...
Edited by N7GTX on Friday 27th September 15:34
N7GTX said:
On TVR Facebook page when I looked it said 2 hours ago. They've nothing else to say......
https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/
Looks like times are hard in motor racing as Rebellion are dropping back to just one car for now due to lack of sponsorship.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/rebellion-scal...
I don’t know Iain. Next year will see the hyper car class at lemans, with four Valkyries running. https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/
Looks like times are hard in motor racing as Rebellion are dropping back to just one car for now due to lack of sponsorship.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/rebellion-scal...
Edited by N7GTX on Friday 27th September 15:34
It’s a mental looking machine, but for me this is a missed opportunity. If this was early 2000’s the typhon would be running.
They could have been there in the thick of it. The GTE class will diminish in value for brands.
Edited by m4tti on Saturday 28th September 00:17
m4tti said:
N7GTX said:
On TVR Facebook page when I looked it said 2 hours ago. They've nothing else to say......
https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/
Looks like times are hard in motor racing as Rebellion are dropping back to just one car for now due to lack of sponsorship.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/rebellion-scal...
I don’t know Iain. Next year will see the hyper car class at lemans, with four Valkyries running. https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/
Looks like times are hard in motor racing as Rebellion are dropping back to just one car for now due to lack of sponsorship.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/rebellion-scal...
Edited by N7GTX on Friday 27th September 15:34
It’s a mental looking machine, but for me this is a missed opportunity. If this was early 2000’s the typhon would be running.
They could have been there in the thick of it. The GTE class will diminish in value for brands.
Edited by m4tti on Saturday 28th September 00:17
If Les wants to recover some lost faith he really must give the promised update by Monday latest, with concrete proof of investment, factory refurb by the Welsh Govt, factory fit by Jones Bros, development plan and pre-production testing, hiring staff etc. If he lets us down again, my faith will completely evaporate.
N7GTX said:
I've not been following this really but the article suggests that sponsorship is dwindling away. Les has always said he wants to race but money seems to be very hard to find so I cannot see where the money will come from. If Rebellion cannot get sponsorship how will TVR Racing?
I think it's safe to say that the whole racing industry is facing tough times ahead. Environmental concerns and financial ones are all increasing at a time where the entire "sport" and i use that word carefully, is trying to find a future place for itself. Born in the wake of exposure to massive risk and excitement of the second world war, it gave our brave young men something to do in those lean years after the war.
In its middle ages it grew to become a marketing tool, driven by the enormous wealth of the tobacco industry keen to access growing world wide markets and huge sales. With little competition for attention, it made household names of its hero teams and drivers. In the 80's and 90's the focus moved to bolstering automotive companies share price, granting bragging rights shouting "we make better cars than you do" and "we sell on monday what we race on Sunday".
Today, in it's increasingly senile years, it's lost in a confusion of direction. Unsure if it should be pure entertainment, a maker of great gladiators for its drivers, or simply a technological spectacle, it has little if any relevance to road cars (which are now engineered to a level where your reputation in the race track is broadly irrelevant), and as the once mighty Tobacco industry foundered in the face of the impossible to ignore health concerns, lost it's major backers.
With the younger generations, i simply think it is, largely speaking, an irrelevance to drive round in circles, and the competition for their time and attention is now focused firmly on the virtual world. I mean, who wants to watch someone else drive a car, when you can (virtually) drive that car yourself. Back in the 1960's everyone wanted to be that dashing Formula one world champion, manfully triumphing over near certain death, and coming back for the girl and the money , but you couldn't so the next best thing was to vicariously watch them live out their daring-do's.
Today i simply don't think that same sense exists. Today, people want to do things themselves, not watch someone else do them........
I absolutely agree.I no longer watch F1 ,I tried to stay with it bit it has become far too dull nowadays,always watched in the 70's including going to Brands hatch for James Hunts famous victory in 76?.I am into Simulations (mostly flight)) and if you have the funds then both racing and flying can seem very very real.
Moto is now my racing of choice and you can buy a bike for the street not too far removed from the performance of the race bike.I also find a couple of hours maximum watching the quicker classes of drag racing entertaining on my US trips.
Funnily enough my latest trip to a drag strip had an all electric demo drag car fly up the track ,it was incredibly quick but had zero noise and hence zero spectacle,so was boring to me.
Moto is now my racing of choice and you can buy a bike for the street not too far removed from the performance of the race bike.I also find a couple of hours maximum watching the quicker classes of drag racing entertaining on my US trips.
Funnily enough my latest trip to a drag strip had an all electric demo drag car fly up the track ,it was incredibly quick but had zero noise and hence zero spectacle,so was boring to me.
Max_Torque said:
N7GTX said:
I've not been following this really but the article suggests that sponsorship is dwindling away. Les has always said he wants to race but money seems to be very hard to find so I cannot see where the money will come from. If Rebellion cannot get sponsorship how will TVR Racing?
I think it's safe to say that the whole racing industry is facing tough times ahead. Environmental concerns and financial ones are all increasing at a time where the entire "sport" and i use that word carefully, is trying to find a future place for itself. Born in the wake of exposure to massive risk and excitement of the second world war, it gave our brave young men something to do in those lean years after the war.
In its middle ages it grew to become a marketing tool, driven by the enormous wealth of the tobacco industry keen to access growing world wide markets and huge sales. With little competition for attention, it made household names of its hero teams and drivers. In the 80's and 90's the focus moved to bolstering automotive companies share price, granting bragging rights shouting "we make better cars than you do" and "we sell on monday what we race on Sunday".
Today, in it's increasingly senile years, it's lost in a confusion of direction. Unsure if it should be pure entertainment, a maker of great gladiators for its drivers, or simply a technological spectacle, it has little if any relevance to road cars (which are now engineered to a level where your reputation in the race track is broadly irrelevant), and as the once mighty Tobacco industry foundered in the face of the impossible to ignore health concerns, lost it's major backers.
With the younger generations, i simply think it is, largely speaking, an irrelevance to drive round in circles, and the competition for their time and attention is now focused firmly on the virtual world. I mean, who wants to watch someone else drive a car, when you can (virtually) drive that car yourself. Back in the 1960's everyone wanted to be that dashing Formula one world champion, manfully triumphing over near certain death, and coming back for the girl and the money , but you couldn't so the next best thing was to vicariously watch them live out their daring-do's.
Today i simply don't think that same sense exists. Today, people want to do things themselves, not watch someone else do them........
But thankfully, a few lunatics remain, but not in cars though. Raising the finger to political correctness, safety-regulations and everything else, doing wheelies and powerslides at 175mph without any runoff-space, passing spectators and brick-walls in 1m distance at 200mph, the TT Isle of Man still stands for what you said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0igW8jNyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shACArW6Etg
Max_Torque said:
I think it's safe to say that the whole racing industry is facing tough times ahead.
Environmental concerns and financial ones are all increasing at a time where the entire "sport" and i use that word carefully, is trying to find a future place for itself. Born in the wake of exposure to massive risk and excitement of the second world war, it gave our brave young men something to do in those lean years after the war.
In its middle ages it grew to become a marketing tool, driven by the enormous wealth of the tobacco industry keen to access growing world wide markets and huge sales. With little competition for attention, it made household names of its hero teams and drivers. In the 80's and 90's the focus moved to bolstering automotive companies share price, granting bragging rights shouting "we make better cars than you do" and "we sell on monday what we race on Sunday".
Today, in it's increasingly senile years, it's lost in a confusion of direction. Unsure if it should be pure entertainment, a maker of great gladiators for its drivers, or simply a technological spectacle, it has little if any relevance to road cars (which are now engineered to a level where your reputation in the race track is broadly irrelevant), and as the once mighty Tobacco industry foundered in the face of the impossible to ignore health concerns, lost it's major backers.
With the younger generations, i simply think it is, largely speaking, an irrelevance to drive round in circles, and the competition for their time and attention is now focused firmly on the virtual world. I mean, who wants to watch someone else drive a car, when you can (virtually) drive that car yourself. Back in the 1960's everyone wanted to be that dashing Formula one world champion, manfully triumphing over near certain death, and coming back for the girl and the money , but you couldn't so the next best thing was to vicariously watch them live out their daring-do's.
Today i simply don't think that same sense exists. Today, people want to do things themselves, not watch someone else do them........
We need to go back to “formula unlimited”. Remove the fia, remove big players. Have engine providers and then have totally private teams with home grown chassis. Have v10, v12’s lost of noise. Anything goes. There’s an opportunity in there somewhere Environmental concerns and financial ones are all increasing at a time where the entire "sport" and i use that word carefully, is trying to find a future place for itself. Born in the wake of exposure to massive risk and excitement of the second world war, it gave our brave young men something to do in those lean years after the war.
In its middle ages it grew to become a marketing tool, driven by the enormous wealth of the tobacco industry keen to access growing world wide markets and huge sales. With little competition for attention, it made household names of its hero teams and drivers. In the 80's and 90's the focus moved to bolstering automotive companies share price, granting bragging rights shouting "we make better cars than you do" and "we sell on monday what we race on Sunday".
Today, in it's increasingly senile years, it's lost in a confusion of direction. Unsure if it should be pure entertainment, a maker of great gladiators for its drivers, or simply a technological spectacle, it has little if any relevance to road cars (which are now engineered to a level where your reputation in the race track is broadly irrelevant), and as the once mighty Tobacco industry foundered in the face of the impossible to ignore health concerns, lost it's major backers.
With the younger generations, i simply think it is, largely speaking, an irrelevance to drive round in circles, and the competition for their time and attention is now focused firmly on the virtual world. I mean, who wants to watch someone else drive a car, when you can (virtually) drive that car yourself. Back in the 1960's everyone wanted to be that dashing Formula one world champion, manfully triumphing over near certain death, and coming back for the girl and the money , but you couldn't so the next best thing was to vicariously watch them live out their daring-do's.
Today i simply don't think that same sense exists. Today, people want to do things themselves, not watch someone else do them........
And bring back the hunts, piquets and sennas. No more ear ringed wanna be rappers. Dreadful.
nawarne said:
Quote "2 millions of pounds between them could be justified" - unquote.
But wasn't that always the raison d'etre of TVR?, Good or in this case stonking performances for a 1/10th of what the Ferrari cost.....And I can vouch that the Cerbera handles corners pretty darn well too!
Anyone see "It's all yellow" (Cerbera) at Silverstone (Tuscan Challenge meet) about 5 years ago? In the Tetrapak European challenge (Strykers, a couple of BMW M3/M5's, Alpine A610 et al) . Qualified on pole, finished 1st,. I was marshalling at Luffield IN, and the Cerb trounced them all - just powered round the outside...No drama - - and the Strykers are out and out track cars - look like LMP2
Nick
I can remember seeing a yellow Cerbera doing well against high end cars and very well funded teams at Brands Hatch. The driver came to the cafe with the TVR club for breakfast and seemed to be having to deal with complaints and weight penalties to slow him down. But wasn't that always the raison d'etre of TVR?, Good or in this case stonking performances for a 1/10th of what the Ferrari cost.....And I can vouch that the Cerbera handles corners pretty darn well too!
Anyone see "It's all yellow" (Cerbera) at Silverstone (Tuscan Challenge meet) about 5 years ago? In the Tetrapak European challenge (Strykers, a couple of BMW M3/M5's, Alpine A610 et al) . Qualified on pole, finished 1st,. I was marshalling at Luffield IN, and the Cerb trounced them all - just powered round the outside...No drama - - and the Strykers are out and out track cars - look like LMP2
Nick
Adding p, I think this is the car I am referring to https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by TV8 on Sunday 29th September 09:39
N7GTX said:
I've not been following this really but the article suggests that sponsorship is dwindling away. Les has always said he wants to race but money seems to be very hard to find so I cannot see where the money will come from. If Rebellion cannot get sponsorship how will TVR Racing?
If Les wants to recover some lost faith he really must give the promised update by Monday latest, with concrete proof of investment, factory refurb by the Welsh Govt, factory fit by Jones Bros, development plan and pre-production testing, hiring staff etc. If he lets us down again, my faith will completely evaporate.
Is the faith pot close to evaporating completely If Les wants to recover some lost faith he really must give the promised update by Monday latest, with concrete proof of investment, factory refurb by the Welsh Govt, factory fit by Jones Bros, development plan and pre-production testing, hiring staff etc. If he lets us down again, my faith will completely evaporate.
Not sure we’ll see an update today.
Edited by m4tti on Monday 30th September 17:17
m4tti said:
N7GTX said:
I've not been following this really but the article suggests that sponsorship is dwindling away. Les has always said he wants to race but money seems to be very hard to find so I cannot see where the money will come from. If Rebellion cannot get sponsorship how will TVR Racing?
If Les wants to recover some lost faith he really must give the promised update by Monday latest, with concrete proof of investment, factory refurb by the Welsh Govt, factory fit by Jones Bros, development plan and pre-production testing, hiring staff etc. If he lets us down again, my faith will completely evaporate.
Is the faith pot close to evaporating completely If Les wants to recover some lost faith he really must give the promised update by Monday latest, with concrete proof of investment, factory refurb by the Welsh Govt, factory fit by Jones Bros, development plan and pre-production testing, hiring staff etc. If he lets us down again, my faith will completely evaporate.
Not sure we’ll see an update today.
Edited by m4tti on Monday 30th September 17:17
If this is what new customers can expect after buying the new car, it doesn't bode well if there is an issue with a warranty claim
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