Tuscan versus Sagaris

[anonymous-user]

m4tti said:

rfisher said:

Everyone knows the Tamora is the best car TVR ever made.

Ever made... for the female customers

My wife likes hers lots. Had a late Tuscan Cab, a T350 and 3 Sags in the past but we still have the Tamora in the family

I actually think it’s the best handling road car TvR ever produced. Honest opinion, not trying to be controversial.

[m4tti]

TVRMs said:

My wife likes hers lots. Had a late Tuscan Cab, a T350 and 3 Sags in the past but we still have the Tamora in the family

I actually think it’s the best handling road car TvR ever produced. Honest opinion, not trying to be controversial.

And that’s one of the interesting things about these cars.. from 2001 there’s no difference in the chassis and suspension components they’re pretty much interchangeable (between Tuscan, tamora, t350)... but some how they handle differently.

[macdeb]

TVR Wannabe said:

I’m new to Tuscan ownership, having recently bought a 2007 registered wavey dash Targa. Totally in love with it and is the ‘go to car’ over the 720S. The Mac is sat there looking a little neglected at the mo.

My question: Considering the late Tuscans shared a lot of the Sagaris components and engine, why does the Sag command such a price premium over the Tuscan? They had a similar list price and the Tuscan is arguably more practical with its large boot and removable lid.

Apologies but am I reading this right? You have a 720S and prefer the TVR Tuscan? Must be a dirty mistress flirtation me thinks I've had four TVR's, two Griffith 500's, a new T350 which was a great handling car and the last was a 573hp Chimaera that tore your head off at 100 mph, and so regard myself as a life long TVR fan. (I'm not out to make enemies here) Now after selling my soul and pretty much everything, I have a 12c McLaren and for me there is no comparison and forgive me but they do not belong in the same sentence

[TVR Wannabe]

macdeb said:

TVR Wannabe said:

I’m new to Tuscan ownership, having recently bought a 2007 registered wavey dash Targa. Totally in love with it and is the ‘go to car’ over the 720S. The Mac is sat there looking a little neglected at the mo.

My question: Considering the late Tuscans shared a lot of the Sagaris components and engine, why does the Sag command such a price premium over the Tuscan? They had a similar list price and the Tuscan is arguably more practical with its large boot and removable lid.

Apologies but am I reading this right? You have a 720S and prefer the TVR Tuscan? Must be a dirty mistress flirtation me thinks I've had four TVR's, two Griffith 500's, a new T350 which was a great handling car and the last was a 573hp Chimaera that tore your head off at 100 mph, and so regard myself as a life long TVR fan. (I'm not out to make enemies here) Now after selling my soul and pretty much everything, I have a 12c McLaren and for me there is no comparison and forgive me but they do not belong in the same sentence

I’ve done over 20K miles in the 720S. Don’t get me wrong, it’s probably one of the best supercars on the planet at the moment, BUT, it’s too good. To get the same st-your-pants excitement as I do in the Tuscan, you need to be in go-to-jail speed territory in the 720S. I went out this afternoon for a drive around Lincolnshire and took the Tuscan. The 720S is surgical / clinical. If I had to lose one of them, it would be the 720S.

Edited by TVR Wannabe on Sunday 4th April 19:17

[Classic Chim]

Go to vehicle sounds like it’s a tad more practical for the local shops Mac. Do you count the cost of running the Mac in engine time running rather than miles covered as servicing must be interesting cost wise although you don’t own such a beauty and worry about that

[TVR Wannabe]

Classic Chim said:

Go to vehicle sounds like it’s a tad more practical for the local shops Mac. Do you count the cost of running the Mac in engine time running rather than miles covered as servicing must be interesting cost wise although you don’t own such a beauty and worry about that

720S is practical with decent sized frunk and rear parcel shelf. Servicing is every 10k miles or once per year, whichever the soonest. Servicing is £1.2K. 18MPG on average, but have seen single figures on a proper hoon.

[macdeb]

TVR Wannabe said:

macdeb said:

TVR Wannabe said:

I’m new to Tuscan ownership, having recently bought a 2007 registered wavey dash Targa. Totally in love with it and is the ‘go to car’ over the 720S. The Mac is sat there looking a little neglected at the mo.

My question: Considering the late Tuscans shared a lot of the Sagaris components and engine, why does the Sag command such a price premium over the Tuscan? They had a similar list price and the Tuscan is arguably more practical with its large boot and removable lid.

Apologies but am I reading this right? You have a 720S and prefer the TVR Tuscan? Must be a dirty mistress flirtation me thinks I've had four TVR's, two Griffith 500's, a new T350 which was a great handling car and the last was a 573hp Chimaera that tore your head off at 100 mph, and so regard myself as a life long TVR fan. (I'm not out to make enemies here) Now after selling my soul and pretty much everything, I have a 12c McLaren and for me there is no comparison and forgive me but they do not belong in the same sentence

I’ve done over 20K miles in the 720S. Don’t get me wrong, it’s probably one of the best supercars on the planet at the moment, BUT, it’s too good. To get the same st-your-pants excitement as I do in the Tuscan, you need to be in go-to-jail speed territory in the 720S. I went out this afternoon for a drive around Lincolnshire and took the Tuscan. The 720S is surgical / clinical. If I had to lose one of them, it would be the 720S.

Edited by TVR Wannabe on Sunday 4th April 19:17

Forgive me as I was about to edit my post but was called elsewhere (war office). I did not mean exactly that they don't belong in same sentence as they are both best of British that give two fingers to the rest. I get the 'too good' thing to a point whereas when I ever went out in the TVR I'd be glad to get home in one piece and have a beer. In the McLaren, I could do the exact return journey again. For me, I'll keep the 'Mac' as long as I can, it's so capable.

[swisstoni]

I think I see the point you are making but it’s no wonder a TVR suffers in comparison to a McLaren is it?

One was made, much more expensively by an F1 engineering outfit about 20 years after the other.

[Classic Chim]

TVR Wannabe said:

720S is practical with decent sized frunk and rear parcel shelf. Servicing is every 10k miles or once per year, whichever the soonest. Servicing is £1.2K. 18MPG on average, but have seen single figures on a proper hoon.

That’s excellent value. I’m sure you can get down to single figures in a Tvr so no bother there.

I’m just glad your enjoying it.

[astonman]

I think its generally accepted, that later cars are better?
So,2005 onwards.
How many cars were produced in 2005/6?
Were they mainly Sagaris?
Many Sagaris were treated as keepers / collectors cars from the go?
A 2005/6 low mileage T350T is much rarer than a Sagaris and you wont get one for less than 75 % of a similar mileage Sagaris.
Try putting Sagaris spring rates and Nitrons ( they are twice as strong as T350 springs) on the T350, and don't lower the ride height.
They then feel remarkably similar cars!

[glow worm]

Officially T350 and Tamora production finished in 2005 .. I think the 1s were special requests.

Ben Langs speadsheet IIRC

Edited by glow worm on Monday 5th April 14:53

[TVR Wannabe]

glow worm said:

Officially T350 and Tamora production finished in 2005 .. I think the 1s were special requests.

Wow. Assuming all Tuscan MKII Targa’s manufactured in 2006 were of the ‘wavey dash / MKIII’ variety, no more than 23 were made. Would that be a correct assumption?

[glow worm]

Yes, that's correct. TVR actually refused to put a Baboons Bum dash in a friends of my car ordered at the same time as me .
I always point out a Convertible is not a Tuscan Mark II , just a Convertible since it's a model in its own right ... Like a Tuscan V6 or Tuscan Challenge car , just happens to be a "Tuscan" .

Edited by glow worm on Monday 5th April 15:01

[TVR Wannabe]

glow worm said:

Yes, that's correct. TVR actually refused to put a Baboons Bum dash in a friends of my car ordered at the same time as me .

I’d better keep mine in good fettle. It’s a bit a rarity.

[glow worm]

TVR Wannabe said:

I’d better keep mine in good fettle. It’s a bit a rarity.

It's even rarer than 23, since Phil's was one of the very few "S"s with the small boot spoiler , most opted for the the large spoiler that hold 2 litres of water

[astonman]

I wonder how many 2005/6 T350's are Targa's?
TVR only made what, 80 odd in total? There are probably 70 left.
Looking at the production numbers and the" how many are left", figures ,only about 20% or so of T350s were T's.So, maybe 9 or 10 cars 2005/6 were Targa's.

Edited by astonman on Tuesday 6th April 20:02

[robsco]

I had a factory built 4 litre T350T with close ratio box, I regret selling that car. It was everything a Sag was but with a prettier body and removable panels. I believe it had factory Ohlins suspension too. It was a bit rough round the edges, I traded it in at James Agger’s for a very late Rolex Griff, I should have spent some more money on the T350 and kept it.

[astonman]

My point is,that the market for " the best", late model TVRs ( 2005/6 cars) ,is dominated by Sagaris.
The number of the other "best" cars ,23 Tuscan Convertibles and maybe 10 T350Ts is so small,that their values are overlooked. People tend to look at prices paid for earlier versions of these cars;many less loved and less developed versions of the model?

[Nigeyboy]

glow worm said:

It's even rarer than 23, since Phil's was one of the very few "S"s with the small boot spoiler , most opted for the the large spoiler that hold 2 litres of water

My 2006 Wavy S also has a small spoiler (therefore at least 2 )

[Raffaele]

did a count, my Tuscan has a factory engine n° 1561 produced in the 22nd week of 2000 however it mounts an engine n° 2871 produced in the 40th week of 2002 therefore TVR produced an average of 10 engines a week as never from the data of sale here products sold about 14 cars a week there is a little data discrepancy