Tuscan versus Sagaris
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did a count, my Tuscan has a factory engine n° 1561 produced in the 22nd week of 2000 however it mounts an engine n° 2871 produced in the 40th week of 2002 therefore TVR produced an average of 10 engines a week as never from the data of sale here products sold about 14 cars a week there is a little data discrepancy
Raffaele - This thread has been dead for 2 years, and then along you come, and post a message on Tuesday, and then repeat the same message on Thursday, with no one commenting in between. Why? What is your point anyway?
So are you saying that between May 2000 and October 2002, TVR must have produced 1,307 Speed 6 engines?
Someone posted the production numbers from a senior TVR insider in this thread back in April 2021. Between 1999 and 2002, 2,026 cars were produced that could have had a Speed 6 engine. Some of those were Cerberas, which might have had the V8. The rest could only have been Speed 6. Subtract the V8s, the pre May 2000 and post October production, and I still think that your figures exaggerate production. Maybe TVR's figures are too low? Maybe they produced some complete new engines just to replace failed ones and threw the failed ones in the bin.
The answer won't ever been known and it doesn't really matter after all these years, but repeating your same point, word for word, every 2 days isn't helpful.
So are you saying that between May 2000 and October 2002, TVR must have produced 1,307 Speed 6 engines?
Someone posted the production numbers from a senior TVR insider in this thread back in April 2021. Between 1999 and 2002, 2,026 cars were produced that could have had a Speed 6 engine. Some of those were Cerberas, which might have had the V8. The rest could only have been Speed 6. Subtract the V8s, the pre May 2000 and post October production, and I still think that your figures exaggerate production. Maybe TVR's figures are too low? Maybe they produced some complete new engines just to replace failed ones and threw the failed ones in the bin.
The answer won't ever been known and it doesn't really matter after all these years, but repeating your same point, word for word, every 2 days isn't helpful.
I love both. I suspect most sags are in very good condition however.... Lets not delude ourselves. All the T cars are more or less the same in every metric (except price and probably reliability to some degree). No hard cheese as I love my cheap Tuscan but the performance differences are in fag paper range. Reminds me of the carwow vid of all the Aventador generations drag racing. There was less than a cars length in it. I know the driving world doesn't revolve around 1/4 miles but also ring times mean nothing unless you can really peddle a car. Its the old law of diminishing returns. I would have a Sag in a heart beat but it isn't worth 50% more IMO. That's market forces for you though.
Snaaakeey said:
I love both. I suspect most sags are in very good condition however.... Lets not delude ourselves. All the T cars are more or less the same in every metric (except price and probably reliability to some degree). No hard cheese as I love my cheap Tuscan but the performance differences are in fag paper range. Reminds me of the carwow vid of all the Aventador generations drag racing. There was less than a cars length in it. I know the driving world doesn't revolve around 1/4 miles but also ring times mean nothing unless you can really peddle a car. Its the old law of diminishing returns. I would have a Sag in a heart beat but it isn't worth 50% more IMO. That's market forces for you though.
You buy a Sagaris over a Tuscan because you think it looks cool, and you like the fact that it is rarer and has more of the wow-factor, not because it is quicker than a Tuscan. If you want to go quickly round a track and have 70k+ to spend on a toy, you'd have to be a bit mental to buy a TVR ...PrinceRupert said:
You buy a Sagaris over a Tuscan because you think it looks cool, and you like the fact that it is rarer and has more of the wow-factor, not because it is quicker than a Tuscan. If you want to go quickly round a track and have 70k+ to spend on a toy, you'd have to be a bit mental to buy a TVR ...
There's a few who would disagree with you, especially in classic racingByker28i said:
PrinceRupert said:
You buy a Sagaris over a Tuscan because you think it looks cool, and you like the fact that it is rarer and has more of the wow-factor, not because it is quicker than a Tuscan. If you want to go quickly round a track and have 70k+ to spend on a toy, you'd have to be a bit mental to buy a TVR ...
There's a few who would disagree with you, especially in classic racingThe Cerbie was outclassing several Strykers(?) a couple of BMW M cars and others in the Tetrapak European Sports cars challenge. I was marshalling at Luffield IN and the Cerbera qualified on pole, and was 1st in the race....Had to push one of the BMWs off when ignition failed just after the bridge!!! That stifled the TVR banter on reliability, having arrived on post in the Tuscan. .
Byker28i said:
There's a few who would disagree with you, especially in classic racing
On Tuscan v Sagaris or on TVR on a track? Watched a bit of TVR racing, great stuff and glad people do it, but it certainly isn't going to be the quickest way around a track for 70k. Also, its always tuscans getting raced not sagaris?The tuscan challenge race cars are not the same as a Tuscan road car either...
so called said:
And speaking of value, WEBYANYCAR just quoted me for my Tuscan Convertible. 
£9835.00
Mind boggling! The sense of occasion, noise, looks and just the way they are received by the public in my experience is so positive I cannot believe it does not translate to higher prices. Darn shame in many ways but what a diamond in the ruff. Is there a better bang for you buck? £9835.00
Snaaakeey said:
so called said:
And speaking of value, WEBYANYCAR just quoted me for my Tuscan Convertible.
£9835.00
Mind boggling! The sense of occasion, noise, looks and just the way they are received by the public in my experience is so positive I cannot believe it does not translate to higher prices. Darn shame in many ways but what a diamond in the ruff. Is there a better bang for you buck? £9835.00
PrinceRupert said:
Byker28i said:
There's a few who would disagree with you, especially in classic racing
On Tuscan v Sagaris or on TVR on a track? Watched a bit of TVR racing, great stuff and glad people do it, but it certainly isn't going to be the quickest way around a track for 70k. Also, its always tuscans getting raced not sagaris?The tuscan challenge race cars are not the same as a Tuscan road car either...
But if you are preparing a race car as a road car conversion now, then a Tuscan is a lot cheaper starting point.
The Tuscan challenge started in about 1989. Ther first of the modern Tuscans was produced around 10 years later. The only thing they have in common as far as i can see is the name.
I have seen Rover V8 Tuscan challenge cars and AJP V8 engined ditto, cannot remember ever seeing a speed 6 one.
Someone will doubtless correct me.
Snaaakeey said:
so called said:
And speaking of value, WEBYANYCAR just quoted me for my Tuscan Convertible.
£9835.00
Mind boggling! The sense of occasion, noise, looks and just the way they are received by the public in my experience is so positive I cannot believe it does not translate to higher prices. Darn shame in many ways but what a diamond in the ruff. Is there a better bang for you buck? £9835.00
In my opinion the Tuscan is not an attractive TVR where as the Sag is. (yes, we are all different and that is what makes life interesting) I bought a Cerbie new and hoped to replace it with a Tuscan when it came out but I just couldn't bring myself to like the looks despite how much I wanted to buy a new TVR. I had moved on before the Sag came out.
By the time the Tuscan was out the prices had risen a lot. The Chim and Griff had been very cheap performance but the Cerbie had grown in cost a lot and some just bought it regardless...the shine had worn off by the time the Tuscan came out and was expensive - people were buying the Boxster S in droves etc...
Caddyshack said:
In my opinion the Tuscan is not an attractive TVR where as the Sag is. (yes, we are all different and that is what makes life interesting) I bought a Cerbie new and hoped to replace it with a Tuscan when it came out but I just couldn't bring myself to like the looks despite how much I wanted to buy a new TVR. I had moved on before the Sag came out.
:O We are all different, but although the Sagaris certainly has wow-factor and aggression, the Tuscan is much prettier ...
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