Cerbera Speed 12 for Sale - W112 BHG
Discussion
jstx said:
Thou said:
No chance, the TR12 was simply wildly overpriced in the first place - unlikely even the original will fetch anywhere near that. I’m going to say £2-300k range. The reality is that the TVR brand has very limited appeal outside of the UK, and diminishing appeal here too. Perhaps in future the values will rise as people ‘look back’ on them as with other classics, but the Speed Six engined cars(which IMO have the best chance of values increasing) aren’t there yet.
Can't disagree with that. I've seen a '96 Cerbera 4.2 come up for sale twice on auction sites here in the US (eBay and Bring A Trailer), and both times it never got over ~$44,000 and did not meet reserve. By my guess, the owner would have maybe broken even; probably would have lost a few grand.Definitely not worth it to import them with the aim of flipping them. The market just isn't there for those cars.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-tvr-cerbera...
A Chimaera will sell for even less here (~$20,000)
Edited by jstx on Thursday 23 March 21:21
SIXSIXES said:
Factually incorrect on all but one point.
Sorry to hurt your feelings, but that particular Cerbera failed to meet reserve - twice. The highest it was bid to was on eBay and it was ~$44,000. You can easily click on the link I provided and see it failed to meet reserve on Bring A Trailer and didn't even get to $40,000. The fact remains, that people here in the states have no idea what a TVR is, much less a Cerbera.
Just so you're not so butthurt, I've never said that I don't want one. I've tossed and turned trying to figure out how I can bring one over, but as it stands, I have no room at the moment.
jstx said:
SIXSIXES said:
Factually incorrect on all but one point.
Sorry to hurt your feelings, but that particular Cerbera failed to meet reserve - twice. The highest it was bid to was on eBay and it was ~$44,000. You can easily click on the link I provided and see it failed to meet reserve on Bring A Trailer and didn't even get to $40,000. The fact remains, that people here in the states have no idea what a TVR is, much less a Cerbera.
Just so you're not so butthurt, I've never said that I don't want one. I've tossed and turned trying to figure out how I can bring one over, but as it stands, I have no room at the moment.
Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
SIXSIXES said:
A rather typical overly aggressive, rude and obnoxious American response to being corrected I see. Can’t say I am surprised.
Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
You have not stated in what way he/she is incorrect. Please explain.Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
MustangGT said:
SIXSIXES said:
A rather typical overly aggressive, rude and obnoxious American response to being corrected I see. Can’t say I am surprised.
Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
You have not stated in what way he/she is incorrect. Please explain.Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
As for you SIXSIXES, I wouldn't want your prejudiced views anyway. I just feel sorry for you that you are stuck in that world. Good luck.
glow worm said:
Looks like it Helical Engineering selling it from the video.
IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Graham still owns it afaik. Where did Helical get involved with this car? IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Edited by glow worm on Saturday 18th March 10:36
Gazzab said:
glow worm said:
Looks like it Helical Engineering selling it from the video.
IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Graham still owns it afaik. Where did Helical get involved with this car? IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Edited by glow worm on Saturday 18th March 10:36
... I'm not sure if Mike is included in the bid Byker28i said:
There's a few TVR's heading stateside currently, it seems a few people know about them are importing them now they can, and they seem to get great attention at car shows. Can only be a good thing.
Absolutely true, and I agree 100%. I was one of those looking to import a Cerbera, but a family illness and the fact that I have 7 cars and no more room to park another, I put those plans on hold.Any TVR will create quite a buzz at the local car show, because no one has ever seen them. Even the cars that were sold here new were in very limited quantities. Then again, so do Volkswagen Things, Mini's (not the BMW Mini), Peugeots, Lancia, Lotus's or even Triumph Stags; all of which were sold new here in various quantities. Those cars tended to not survive, they either rusted or broke down and were parked in a barn and rotted away, so some younger "car people" have never seen one, much less a running one.
The fact is, the average man-on-the-street here in the States has no idea what a TVR is, but the average man-on-the-street has heard the word Peugeot, Lancia, Lotus or Triumph. They may not have any idea what it is, other than a vehicle of some kind, but they've heard the name.
My main point was that the people that imported a Cerbera with the aim of flipping it for profit, have struggled to sell them here. There's always one reason something doesn't sell, and that's price. When the car I mentioned was on eBay, it had a Buy It Now price of $80,000; so ~ £65000-ish depending on the day. That's the price of a nice 996TT here, so pretty fierce competition. So with the fact that few people really know what a TVR is here and the fact that you can buy a very well known car/brand for around the same or less, it's a very tough sell to a very small audience.
glow worm said:
Gazzab said:
glow worm said:
Looks like it Helical Engineering selling it from the video.
IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Graham still owns it afaik. Where did Helical get involved with this car? IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Edited by glow worm on Saturday 18th March 10:36
... I'm not sure if Mike is included in the bid Gazzab said:
glow worm said:
Gazzab said:
glow worm said:
Looks like it Helical Engineering selling it from the video.
IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Graham still owns it afaik. Where did Helical get involved with this car? IIRC The TR12 was being sold at £1.2m a few years ago , so the original should be more .
Didn't Graham Abbott own it ?
Edited by glow worm on Saturday 18th March 10:36
... I'm not sure if Mike is included in the bid 
MustangGT said:
SIXSIXES said:
A rather typical overly aggressive, rude and obnoxious American response to being corrected I see. Can’t say I am surprised.
Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
You have not stated in what way he/she is incorrect. Please explain.Perhaps this may have been an opportunity to receive some helpful, factual and detailed information on your potential TVR journey.
The nonsense claim that nobody knows what a TVR is in the U.S is simply false. It has in fact been genuinely surprising just how many people know of the marque and the various models. I am stopped daily and asked “is that a TVR [insert model name]?” in traffic, while parking, at the petrol stations etc. A fair number assume there’s a Rover V8 in a Cerbera but for the later models they tend to be far more knowledgable. Conservatively I’d say 60%+ of people I meet know either the marque or the model. The dead spot for recognition tends to be models between the Griffith and Cerbera.
The three most recognised TVRs in the US are by far the Tuscan (S6), the Sagaris and the Speed12. Swordfish, Looney Tunes, the various console games, Top Gear, Fifth Gear and YouTube videos are almost wholly responsible for the exposure.
As mentioned above, all but one of the stated facts are incorrect.
Pardon my apparent ignorance but how is it unique when there's another one (purple) in the video haha
https://youtu.be/6vkQPvjNHSs?t=96
Or is that one not road legal? It has a plate!
https://youtu.be/6vkQPvjNHSs?t=96
Or is that one not road legal? It has a plate!
Edited by kontortion on Tuesday 28th March 12:42
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