Porsche chap needs rescuing from the dark side
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I've said this before, and I'll probably go on repeating it until everyone's royally sick of hearing it...
I saw a Ferrari Enzo on the road last week near Modena. I slowed right down in the Griff and pointed and stared; so did the driver of the Enzo
He wouldn't have done that even if I'd been in a 911GT2 
Pete
I saw a Ferrari Enzo on the road last week near Modena. I slowed right down in the Griff and pointed and stared; so did the driver of the Enzo
He wouldn't have done that even if I'd been in a 911GT2 Pete
pete said: I've said this before, and I'll probably go on repeating it until everyone's royally sick of hearing it...
I saw a Ferrari Enzo on the road last week near Modena. I slowed right down in the Griff and pointed and stared; so did the driver of the Enzo
Pete
If he was in a car of this magnificence then presumably he knew his onions: if he wouldn't have acknowledged a GT2 then he would have been precisely the sort of person too many folk accuse Porsche drivers of being - an unkeen driver and mindless badge buying heathen to boot.
Sorry Pete but this kind of comment is just plain dumb.
loudpedal said: I read an article in some Sunday Broadsheet a few weeks back which asked a heap of famous people to name their favourite car. Tiff Needell said a TVR Tuscan. His opinion will do me....
...and Richard Burns has a Porsche Turbo in the stable alongside his rally specials.
Tiff also reckoned that the 360M was the best car in the world when he first drove it, taking over from the F355.
Ok, I appreciate that your point is someone's favourite when asked a question at a certain point in time but are we really meant to believe that Tiff prefers a Tuscan to a McLaren F1? I'm sure given the choice and a period of consideration he would restate that opinion in favour of the GM creation.
For under £50k, the Tuscan has to be a contender, granted but it's a bit harsh on brand new alternatives like the M12GTO and 2nd hand 911 specials - which anyone with £50k would have to at least contemplate.
For two marques of car with very different design ideologies its amazing that they come together in this place. I don't care if you drive a TVR or Porsche as long as you try not to judge me because of the mode of transport I choose. I think we should revel in how really really lucky we are in owning/driving these monsters.
Peace
I still think the Boxster is the correct choice :-)
Peace
I still think the Boxster is the correct choice :-)
Derestrictor climbed on to his horse and said:
Sorry Pete but this kind of comment is just plain dumb.
Oh come on, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment! Of course he stared because the Griff's as rare as unicorn sh*t over there, I just couldn't resist trolling a little
Pete
p.s. If I had to use one car for commuting and fun, I'd buy a Porsche. As I have the luxury of keeping my fun car for the weekends, I chose the Tiv. Oh to have a 993RS for the winter and the Griff for the summer...!
>> Edited by pete on Thursday 31st October 15:34
So the Porsche vs TVR debate rages on...
There is not even any point in comparing them within price ranges (even though it is quite interesting). Second hand values are pretty meaningless, and this type of contest favours the higher-depreciating cars - not something anyone wants to encourage, eh?
So yes, I could have chosen a 2000X Tuscan or a 1992 964RS for my 25k. I chose the Porsche and I'm just as
as those who chose their Tuscans over a Porsche - if not more so. All it shows is that a 964RS has appreciated in the last 3 years (sadly I have a previous sales receipt to prove it) and the TVR has lost half its value in just two.
We all have our reasons for choosing our respective cars, and we all have opinions. But when you deal with hard facts and hard facts only:
- Porsches tend to be more expensive, probably because you are paying for superior build quality
- and Porsche have made - and continue to make - some of the fastest sportscars in the world, like the GT1, 959, GT2 (if you can afford them)
Therefore, they will always lose out to TVRs on narrow minded 'performance per pound' criteria, but that is like saying a 3.50 Haddock dinner at the chippy is as filling (or tasty) as a meal at Le Manoir aux Quat Saisons, so therefore it is better. The contest is a pretty false one.
Finally, the biggest myth is that Porsche can't make interesting or charismatic cars. It has been pointed out before that the RS models (as an example) equal TVRs in many eyes for character, sound, looks and purpose. If you can't afford one for a TVR budget, buy the TVR. If you can, have a look at one and you may be surprised.
>> Edited by domster on Thursday 31st October 15:47
There is not even any point in comparing them within price ranges (even though it is quite interesting). Second hand values are pretty meaningless, and this type of contest favours the higher-depreciating cars - not something anyone wants to encourage, eh?
So yes, I could have chosen a 2000X Tuscan or a 1992 964RS for my 25k. I chose the Porsche and I'm just as
as those who chose their Tuscans over a Porsche - if not more so. All it shows is that a 964RS has appreciated in the last 3 years (sadly I have a previous sales receipt to prove it) and the TVR has lost half its value in just two. We all have our reasons for choosing our respective cars, and we all have opinions. But when you deal with hard facts and hard facts only:
- Porsches tend to be more expensive, probably because you are paying for superior build quality
- and Porsche have made - and continue to make - some of the fastest sportscars in the world, like the GT1, 959, GT2 (if you can afford them)
Therefore, they will always lose out to TVRs on narrow minded 'performance per pound' criteria, but that is like saying a 3.50 Haddock dinner at the chippy is as filling (or tasty) as a meal at Le Manoir aux Quat Saisons, so therefore it is better. The contest is a pretty false one.
Finally, the biggest myth is that Porsche can't make interesting or charismatic cars. It has been pointed out before that the RS models (as an example) equal TVRs in many eyes for character, sound, looks and purpose. If you can't afford one for a TVR budget, buy the TVR. If you can, have a look at one and you may be surprised.
>> Edited by domster on Thursday 31st October 15:47
Oi!
A 3.50 Haddock and chips IS a lot more filling than a meal at Le Manoir!
Its true, horses for courses. They are not comparable and they do both have a veherment following amongst the more enthusiastic owners.
A Porsche or maybe even a couple would make it into my fantasy garage, and a lot of TVR owners I would wager. In fact, in all honesty I personally would probably have more Porkers than Tivs because they have made more 'interesting' models.
Matt.
A 3.50 Haddock and chips IS a lot more filling than a meal at Le Manoir!
Its true, horses for courses. They are not comparable and they do both have a veherment following amongst the more enthusiastic owners.
A Porsche or maybe even a couple would make it into my fantasy garage, and a lot of TVR owners I would wager. In fact, in all honesty I personally would probably have more Porkers than Tivs because they have made more 'interesting' models.
Matt.
Well said Domster, not sure what TVR5 is on but I'll have some.....
Oh, and if you'd like to know what fun, cheap Porkers with character you can get for sensible cash take a look at the piccies of the yellow CS I got yesterday. Yes it's a 90's Porsche, yes it has character, yes it handles well (or so it was voted best handling car in 1993ish) and yes, it cost LESS than £10k!!
Oh, and if you'd like to know what fun, cheap Porkers with character you can get for sensible cash take a look at the piccies of the yellow CS I got yesterday. Yes it's a 90's Porsche, yes it has character, yes it handles well (or so it was voted best handling car in 1993ish) and yes, it cost LESS than £10k!!
Each to their blinkin' own I say.
I am happy driving (and to buy in future) a Blackpool beast. Friends of mine are happy driving (and to buy in future) a Porker.
Variety is the spice...
...but in many ways I hope that we are having this conversation in 20 years time because it will mean that two great marques will be still cutting the mustard!
I am happy driving (and to buy in future) a Blackpool beast. Friends of mine are happy driving (and to buy in future) a Porker.
Variety is the spice...
...but in many ways I hope that we are having this conversation in 20 years time because it will mean that two great marques will be still cutting the mustard!
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