Porsche chap needs rescuing from the dark side
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pete said:
Derestrictor climbed on to his horse and said:
Sorry Pete but this kind of comment is just plain dumb.
Oh come on, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment! Of course he stared because the Griff's as rare as unicorn sh*t over there, I just couldn't resist trolling a little
Pete
p.s. If I had to use one car for commuting and fun, I'd buy a Porsche. As I have the luxury of keeping my fun car for the weekends, I chose the Tiv. Oh to have a 993RS for the winter and the Griff for the summer...!
Yes, I do apologize, Pete; levity is not usually a characteristic I can successfully surpress for longer than a few seconds so please don't misinterpret my intentions or motives hereabouts.
Funnily enough I was going to suggest that the guy who has 150 miles free use of a Tuscan books the special lunch at Le Manoir and takes a nice lady. Think he's in London so that's 50 miles each way and 50 to play with.
plotloss said: Oi!
A 3.50 Haddock and chips IS a lot more filling than a meal at Le Manoir!
Rich... p.s. Chaps, the original question was Tuscan vs' Boxter so all the mega fast/expensive stuff like Porsche GT3's you’ve been talking about are a bit irrelevant to the argument - yes? R...
I would suggest a Porsche 964RS on Motec, a 993RS or a 993 Turbo 4, as being a suitable comparative Porsche to a Tuscan - not the Boxster. Even if that may have been the original proposition, the Boxster isn't even on the same planet as the Tuscan.
Budget between 25k and 50k for these cars, which is the same as a s/h or new Tuscan.
If you wanted to see a head to head on track, I would nominate NineMeister from the Porker forum in his 993RS or a Motec'd 964RS. Name your track and your wheelman
Budget between 25k and 50k for these cars, which is the same as a s/h or new Tuscan.
If you wanted to see a head to head on track, I would nominate NineMeister from the Porker forum in his 993RS or a Motec'd 964RS. Name your track and your wheelman
"Well said Domster, not sure what TVR5 is on but I'll have some..... "
The original questioner asked Boxster or Tuscan. And asked for opinions on it. Well, those were my opinions. A Tuscan is much faster. IMO looks amazing. IMO Sounds great. IMO has a great interior. But it's up to the guy who's choosing what his opinion of looks and sound etc is. As for the handling, well I've never driven a Boxster, but I do know someone with a Chim and a Boxster who maintains the handling of the Boxster is not any better than the chimaera. But again it's just opinions which is why I put debatable.
Yes, build quality of porsches is generally good. But I maintain that TVRs are much better these days than their reputation has it, and in my experience pretty good.
The guy in question will have to decide what he wants out of it.
But no, the Porsche just doesn't do it for me.
To quote (nearly) JC from a Top Gear program a few years ago about the Boxster..."I thought it would be an automotive Bloody Mary, but someone forgot the tomato juice....and the vodka."
So what am I on....Usually red wine in the evening.
The original questioner asked Boxster or Tuscan. And asked for opinions on it. Well, those were my opinions. A Tuscan is much faster. IMO looks amazing. IMO Sounds great. IMO has a great interior. But it's up to the guy who's choosing what his opinion of looks and sound etc is. As for the handling, well I've never driven a Boxster, but I do know someone with a Chim and a Boxster who maintains the handling of the Boxster is not any better than the chimaera. But again it's just opinions which is why I put debatable.
Yes, build quality of porsches is generally good. But I maintain that TVRs are much better these days than their reputation has it, and in my experience pretty good.
The guy in question will have to decide what he wants out of it.
But no, the Porsche just doesn't do it for me.
To quote (nearly) JC from a Top Gear program a few years ago about the Boxster..."I thought it would be an automotive Bloody Mary, but someone forgot the tomato juice....and the vodka."
So what am I on....Usually red wine in the evening.
TVR5 said: As for the handling, well I've never driven a Boxster, but I do know someone with a Chim and a Boxster who maintains the handling of the Boxster is not any better than the chimaera.
Check out my profile. Errrrr. No.
Still. I'm in the Chim today and I still love it. Now the Tamora lads tell me that its right up there - and I believe them. The Chim is more of a straight line monster, frankly, although in comparison to the huge majority of cars it corners superbly - of course.
The Tuscan test drive I did didn't really tell me..although friends with them swear its right up there too.
As always - its the package that does it for you particularly.
>> Edited by Don on Friday 1st November 09:17
TVR5 said: "Well said Domster, not sure what TVR5 is on but I'll have some..... "
The original questioner asked Boxster or Tuscan. And asked for opinions on it. Well, those were my opinions. A Tuscan is much faster. IMO looks amazing. IMO Sounds great. IMO has a great interior. But it's up to the guy who's choosing what his opinion of looks and sound etc is. As for the handling, well I've never driven a Boxster, but I do know someone with a Chim and a Boxster who maintains the handling of the Boxster is not any better than the chimaera. But again it's just opinions which is why I put debatable.
Yes, build quality of porsches is generally good. But I maintain that TVRs are much better these days than their reputation has it, and in my experience pretty good.
The guy in question will have to decide what he wants out of it.
But no, the Porsche just doesn't do it for me.
To quote (nearly) JC from a Top Gear program a few years ago about the Boxster..."I thought it would be an automotive Bloody Mary, but someone forgot the tomato juice....and the vodka."
So what am I on....Usually red wine in the evening.
It was Derestrictor wot said that, but he is really just a more mental and more eloquent version of me
I appreciate the fact that it was Boxster vs Tuscan, but really the only point is that the original poster was comparing Porsche vs TVR on his budget for a new car. He should have been comparing like with like, and looking at what s/h Porsches he can buy for his budget that would float his boat. But maybe he wants a new car, with all those warranties and stuff, so fair play.
The thing is, if you don't know whether you want a Boxster or a Tuscan, you don't know whether you want a fridge or a toaster, some chalk or some cheese... You might just as well narrow the choice down to a Viper, a Civic Type R or a Merc SL
We shouldn't be having a TVR vs Porsche debate... A sports car vs sensible car debate would be more relevant to the original question, but bringing RSs to the foreground is a good thing because many Porsche buyers don't even know they exist. Like all those city boys that got their Tivs in the 90s and thought a Vixen was the blonde in accounts
Interestingly, until they do a lightened and tuned Boxster RS, you won't find me getting excited by one - like your good self and JC. Not my cup of tea, either.
As for the red wine, that's a good choice
Hi
I had the choice of owing a Tuscan and Porsche and bought a new 2001-reg Tuscan. Whilst I'll agree with all the TVR fans out there on the fun/thrill/looks, these advantages don't mean much when you are consistantly on the back of an AA recovery van or back at the TVR garage getting the gremilns fixed on a weekly basis. I sold the Tuscan after 1 year of ownership (only got 29K for it) and bought a Ferrari 550 Maranello over a GT2. Even with the nightmare I had with my Tuscan, I would still never buy a Porsche..... too over-engineered and boring.... and I hate the snooty sales staff.
>> Edited by itecsol on Friday 1st November 11:18
I had the choice of owing a Tuscan and Porsche and bought a new 2001-reg Tuscan. Whilst I'll agree with all the TVR fans out there on the fun/thrill/looks, these advantages don't mean much when you are consistantly on the back of an AA recovery van or back at the TVR garage getting the gremilns fixed on a weekly basis. I sold the Tuscan after 1 year of ownership (only got 29K for it) and bought a Ferrari 550 Maranello over a GT2. Even with the nightmare I had with my Tuscan, I would still never buy a Porsche..... too over-engineered and boring.... and I hate the snooty sales staff.
>> Edited by itecsol on Friday 1st November 11:18
cockers said: Have a test drive. See which you prefer.
Not too hard, is it?
Cockers, look at the post beneath yours, and you'll see how little a test drive means in real world ownership terms. A great car to drive may be a nightmare to be the keeper of! It would be like mungo getting married to a bird he'd had great sex with the night before, without considering the practicalities of the situation
Interestingly, a chap I was good friends with used to be a dealer principal at a TVR dealership. He swore me to secrecy about this, but it was a while ago so the official secrets act need not apply... Basically he told me that when customers took TVRs on test drives, he would insist his staff had a mobile phone on them (in case the car broke down), a small fire extinguisher (hidden in the boot, in case the car caught fire) and furthermore, he would hold back a certain proportion of his profit if the car was sold. This was so he could give a full refund to a dissatisfied customer and take the car back as a second hand vehicle (the money kept back covered the shortfall in price when he resold the car).
This was at a reputable main TVR dealer, and he also worked at Porsche, Land Rover, BMW and Aston dealerships where he didn't operate in this way. Nothing like dealers' confidence in their cars, eh?
>> Edited by domster on Friday 1st November 12:47
>> Edited by domster on Friday 1st November 12:48
"As for the red wine, that's a good choice"
Yes. My current favourite is Calvet Reserve. It's lovely. Think I'm developing gout though....
BTW if anyone else remembers that Top Gear program that I quoted from, I can't remember exactly what the contest was, best Sports Car or whatever...dunno, but a yellow Chimaera 4.5 won it over Boxster, Merc SLK, Renault Spider, Elise, MGF VVC, Alfa spider, Z3. My god that's sad remembering that.....
"Most fun you can have without your trousers exploding" was I think JCs summing up...
Yes. My current favourite is Calvet Reserve. It's lovely. Think I'm developing gout though....
BTW if anyone else remembers that Top Gear program that I quoted from, I can't remember exactly what the contest was, best Sports Car or whatever...dunno, but a yellow Chimaera 4.5 won it over Boxster, Merc SLK, Renault Spider, Elise, MGF VVC, Alfa spider, Z3. My god that's sad remembering that.....
"Most fun you can have without your trousers exploding" was I think JCs summing up...
domster said:
Cockers, look at the post beneath yours, and you'll see how little a test drive means in real world ownership terms. A great car to drive may be a nightmare to be the keeper of!
Maybe, but the chap with the dilemma isn't getting much unbiased and useful info in this thread is he?
Porsche owner: "TVRs sound nice, but they're unreliable and don't handle"
TVR owner: "Porsches are well built, but they sound crap and have no character"
Same old shit from both camps, in other words.
If it was me, I'd have a go in a few of each and speak to previous owners to find a good 'un. There's plenty of dross around, whichever marque you're after.
Too much chatting and not enough driving by owners of two superb but very different marques!!
For what its worth, I've driven a 3.6RS, passengered a 3.8RS, wife had a chipped C2 and father-in-law has a 993 Turbo. Wife has driven all cars on and off track.
I had a 450 Chim and now a Cerb S6.
Experience of both - great cars in their own rights, but for different reasons and different people. Get out and drive!!
For what its worth, I've driven a 3.6RS, passengered a 3.8RS, wife had a chipped C2 and father-in-law has a 993 Turbo. Wife has driven all cars on and off track.
I had a 450 Chim and now a Cerb S6.
Experience of both - great cars in their own rights, but for different reasons and different people. Get out and drive!!
Off in the Griffith for the weekend in a hour or so, and it's raining, and it's getting dark. Not everyone only drives them in the dry. Rich...
cammy said: Too much chatting and not enough driving by owners of two superb but very different marques!
p.s. not worried about it breaking down either 'cos it won't 
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