Just been cought speeding in my TVR
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Rich... 
Simon T said: IJP
Read the post! you're being wound up.....
However if you want to carry on..... what about all the people the police kill whilst driving iresponsibly in 30 MPH limits
I wasn't trying to wind him up. If I did, then so much the better. A raw nerve normally exists for a reason, and so if I have touched it, then there must have been an element of truth in there.
NICE EH said:
Simon T said: IJP
Read the post! you're being wound up.....
However if you want to carry on..... what about all the people the police kill whilst driving iresponsibly in 30 MPH limits
I wasn't trying to wind him up. If I did, then so much the better. A raw nerve normally exists for a reason, and so if I have touched it, then there must have been an element of truth in there.
Firstly, I'm not going to get personal about this, but this needs to be said...
No-one condones poor driving that ends in tragedy, no matter who is responsible. I'm not wound up, I'm just fed up with poor stereotypical analysis that leads to ill-informed and condescending comments. They don't hit a nerve, but merely serve to reinforce the view held by many police officers that the 'job' would be a lot better without the public. Poorly informed opinion also serves to proliferate the views expressed in this forum.This is a shame and is an oft repeated rant.
To pre-empt another often used rant 'Why are you stopping me, you should be out there catching rapists etc etc etc...', well we probably would be if it wasn't necessary to deal with motorists doing something stupid. (vis a vis the original topic of this post.)
Additionally, you better wake up to the fact that a lot of crime is vehicle orientated, a lot of criminals have access to vehicles, whether they are their own or just happen to be stolen from someone else, and therefore expect to be stopped occasionally. Yes it is unfortunate that your choice of vehicle and/or your age may increase the likelyhood of you being stopped, but it is no coincidence.... bearing in mind the average age of offenders and/or the types of car they drive, these 'stops' are orientated to prevent and detect crime.... I could go on for ages like this, but I feel it is a waste of time trying to preach to the unconvertible, i.e those with ingrained distrust/hatred/contempt for the police as a whole.
Nice Eh said : Respect is earnt not given. Perhaps if the police served the community a little better, they may earn some respect. Instead they are largely viewed as an extension of the inland revenue and totally unresponsive and unavailable when required. How many people on here have ever had their car broken into and actually seen a police officer after they reported the crime?
Do you have any other old chestnuts of original wisdom like this..? The reason you're probably not getting a visit after your car has been damaged/broken into, is that of evidence. Is there any to find? I guess if some one saw it happening (note the tense here Nice Eh) and called for the police, then the priority would be different. Dealing with incidents after the event like these, where there is little if any evidence to provide a basis for investigation, is of a low priority; If it wasn't then ...well surely I don't have to explain do I?
Nice Eh said :Prey tell, why is the police a profession? Do you have professional qualifications? No. It is a job. You may call it a vocation, but it is not a profession. This largely reflects my views in point 1 above.
Well here's a good example of poorly informed opinion..
Said like a true accountant! oops stereotypical comment..
Besides which you really ought to check out the definition of 'professional' and perhaps question the reason this title is applied to other jobs such as those within the Armed Services.. I think you need to broaden your horizons..
>> Edited by **IJP** on Thursday 12th December 10:27
Nice Eh said : Respect is earnt not given. Perhaps if the police served the community a little better, they may earn some respect. Instead they are largely viewed as an extension of the inland revenue and totally unresponsive and unavailable when required. How many people on here have ever had their car broken into and actually seen a police officer after they reported the crime?
Do you have any other old chestnuts of original wisdom like this..? The reason you're probably not getting a visit after your car has been damaged/broken into, is that of evidence. Is there any to find? I guess if some one saw it happening (note the tense here Nice Eh) and called for the police, then the priority would be different. Dealing with incidents after the event like these, where there is little if any evidence to provide a basis for investigation, is of a low priority; If it wasn't then ...well surely I don't have to explain do I?
I recieved a questionaire through the post from the local Police force asking me to prioritise a number of crimes! As far as I am concerned a crime is a crime and they should all rank equally.You state a stolen vehicle is low priority, not to its owner it isn't.
While I disagree with speeding and all other law breaking the Police seem to find sufficient manpower to man speed traps and check tax discs.On the scale of crime I would say someone not having paid Road Tax is no more important than someone having their car stolen.But then again there is no revenue to be collected in investigating a stolen car!
p7ulg said:
I recieved a questionaire through the post from the local Police force asking me to prioritise a number of crimes! As far as I am concerned a crime is a crime and they should all rank equally.You state a stolen vehicle is low priority, not to its owner it isn't.
While I disagree with speeding and all other law breaking the Police seem to find sufficient manpower to man speed traps and check tax discs.On the scale of crime I would say someone not having paid Road Tax is no more important than someone having their car stolen.But then again there is no revenue to be collected in investigating a stolen car!
Yet another myth.....be a realist, or don't you comprehend how the system works... without evidence there is no job, no one to be arrested, no case to go to court - so why should this be equal priority to an incident that is happening now ? or where there are witnesses and evidence that allow an investigation to be commenced with a fair chance of some success? Maybe you would prefer that this is not the case and everything gets treated equally...Not really realistic or practical is it? Sort of qualifies my comment about comprehension doesn't it ?
'Speed Traps' as you refer to them are not frequently run by the same police that deal with investigation of crime, they are more than not dealt with by small, specialist teams or a particular force's traffic dept. As insinuated here, the vast majority of police resources are not targetted at 'revenue' earning activities. As for the enforcement of Vehicle Excise offences, well a conservative estimate would be over 90% of such reported offences are dealt with by traffic wardens and as a direct result of DVLA being overwhelmed by the number of such reports and subsequently the police receiving back court process or summons enquiries from DVLA as a result, many Police Forces do not actively pursue VEL offences unless there is good cause and the driver/owner/keeper are identified. I wouldn't expect P7ULG to know this, but then if he had, he wouldn't probably have bothered posting.
Furthermore P7ULG, if you or anyone else want to comment on the inadequacies of British Policing, then at least bother to do a little research beforehand...at least that may make the debate a little more challenging...don't you think?
>> Edited by **IJP** on Thursday 12th December 12:59
**IJP** said: Furthermore P7ULG, if you or anyone else want to comment on the inadequacies of British Policing, then at least bother to do a little research beforehand...at least that may make the debate a little more challenging...don't you think?
No research needed by me just read my earlier post. Personal experience, worth more than it's weight in gold, with idiots in uniform (not all are I know, but if you wear the same clothes you'll be treated the same - harsh but true)has shown me all I need to know; all interactions with the police have been a fascicle waste of time. Won’t bother ranting about it as it won’t change it. Just as I suspect IJP you will never change the way most people view the police based either on poor personal experience or urban myth
>> Edited by d_drinks on Thursday 12th December 13:04
d_drinks said:
**IJP** said: Furthermore P7ULG, if you or anyone else want to comment on the inadequacies of British Policing, then at least bother to do a little research beforehand...at least that may make the debate a little more challenging...don't you think?
No research needed by me just read my earlier post. Personal experience, worth more than it's weight in gold, with idiots in uniform (not all are I know, but if you wear the same clothes you'll be treated the same - harsh but true)has shown me all I need to know; all interactions with the police have been a fascicle waste of time. Won’t bother ranting about it as it won’t change it. Just as I suspect IJP you will never change the way most people view the police based either on poor personal experience or urban myth
>> Edited by d_drinks on Thursday 12th December 13:04
Firstly I don't have any misconceptions about changing anything, particularly peoples views, but as they air them here, they should expect to have the other side air theirs...and vice versa.. that is the nature of debate.
Now if you would like me to recount some facts about dealing with members of the public and how they rarely ever live up to the standards they set or our expectations, then I have dozens.....
Oh and do you mean 'farcical'?
Bandwagon - jump on ....yawn yawn
**IJP** said: but merely serve to reinforce the view held by many police officers that the 'job' would be a lot better without the public.
If only we could get rid of the public. Its the public that cause all the bother, the rotters!
But then again, if there was no public, i'd lose my job as there would be no need for public transport.
**IJP** said:Now if you would like me to recount some facts about dealing with members of the public and how they rarely ever live up to the standards they set or our expectations, then I have dozens.....
Oh and do you mean 'farcical'?
Bandwagon - jump on ....yawn yawn
Oh my god the police can do grammer :waitstobecorrectedbyplod: to is there no end to their talents? maybe a frustrated teacher is lurking inside you
Nature of debate is also that people might have the same experience /views as others this is not jumping on the bandwagon you tw@t
its fact. Are you the only plod with stories about the public?? .... NO so are you bandwagon jumping or is it the rest of your woolly mates in blue?... 
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