Just been cought speeding in my TVR
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**IJP** said:
NICE EH said:
Simon T said: IJP
Read the post! you're being wound up.....
However if you want to carry on..... what about all the people the police kill whilst driving iresponsibly in 30 MPH limits
I wasn't trying to wind him up. If I did, then so much the better. A raw nerve normally exists for a reason, and so if I have touched it, then there must have been an element of truth in there.
Firstly, I'm not going to get personal about this, but this needs to be said...
No-one condones poor driving that ends in tragedy, no matter who is responsible. I'm not wound up, I'm just fed up with poor stereotypical analysis that leads to ill-informed and condescending comments. They don't hit a nerve, but merely serve to reinforce the view held by many police officers that the 'job' would be a lot better without the public. Poorly informed opinion also serves to proliferate the views expressed in this forum.This is a shame and is an oft repeated rant.
To pre-empt another often used rant 'Why are you stopping me, you should be out there catching rapists etc etc etc...', well we probably would be if it wasn't necessary to deal with motorists doing something stupid. (vis a vis the original topic of this post.)
Additionally, you better wake up to the fact that a lot of crime is vehicle orientated, a lot of criminals have access to vehicles, whether they are their own or just happen to be stolen from someone else, and therefore expect to be stopped occasionally. Yes it is unfortunate that your choice of vehicle and/or your age may increase the likelyhood of you being stopped, but it is no coincidence.... bearing in mind the average age of offenders and/or the types of car they drive, these 'stops' are orientated to prevent and detect crime.... I could go on for ages like this, but I feel it is a waste of time trying to preach to the unconvertible, i.e those with ingrained distrust/hatred/contempt for the police as a whole.
Nice Eh said : Respect is earnt not given. Perhaps if the police served the community a little better, they may earn some respect. Instead they are largely viewed as an extension of the inland revenue and totally unresponsive and unavailable when required. How many people on here have ever had their car broken into and actually seen a police officer after they reported the crime?
Do you have any other old chestnuts of original wisdom like this..? The reason you're probably not getting a visit after your car has been damaged/broken into, is that of evidence. Is there any to find? I guess if some one saw it happening (note the tense here Nice Eh) and called for the police, then the priority would be different. Dealing with incidents after the event like these, where there is little if any evidence to provide a basis for investigation, is of a low priority; If it wasn't then ...well surely I don't have to explain do I?
Nice Eh said :Prey tell, why is the police a profession? Do you have professional qualifications? No. It is a job. You may call it a vocation, but it is not a profession. This largely reflects my views in point 1 above.
Well here's a good example of poorly informed opinion..
Said like a true accountant! oops stereotypical comment..
Besides which you really ought to check out the definition of 'professional' and perhaps question the reason this title is applied to other jobs such as those within the Armed Services.. I think you need to broaden your horizons..
>> Edited by **IJP** on Thursday 12th December 10:27
IJP,
Sorry to shatter your preconception, but I am not an accountant, I am a solicitor. I deal with the law on a day to day basis. I am not a criminal lawyer, I am a corporate finance specialist. I have no axe to grind against the police in a professional capacity as I never have any dealings with them.
The point that you are singularly failing to recognise is that you have lost my support. I am the definitive middle england, middle class, no trouble to anyone kind of chap that has absolutely no reason to be suspicious of the Police, and yet you have lost my support. You may have a million good reasons for why the police do what they do, you can no doubt back those reasons up with two million statistics to support your reasoning. That is all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that I do not support you.
No good saying that you are right and that we are all numpties, you have to get the likes of me back on side. If you cannot rely on me (the son of a police officer as well) then who is ever going to help you?
The last time my car got broken into, I called the pad desk as requested, they actually asked me if there was any evidence on the car. Forgive me for not being a forensics expert, but how the hell should I know? Unfortunately, my eyes cannot pick up finger prints at 30 feet, or search for fibres in car seats. Heaven forbid that a policeman should actually come and have a look himself. It may be low priority, but it is high visibility. The fact that so may people bitch about it should be telling you that something needs to be done to address it.
I was also the victim of a credit card fraudster who was scanning credit cards in a local restaurant when you paid your bill. There were 14 of us in total who were victims over a two week period. We all identified the restaurant, and I was told by the investigating plod that 11 of us had identified the same waiter as being the culprit. We all gave statements and were keen to co-operate.
Guess what has happened so far? Absolutely nothing, that's what. No doubt there is a good reason for it (we can't arrest asians/the credit card companies can afford it/we're too busy spot checking nice cars) but from a humble member of the publics point of view, all we see is another crime where there is evidence, you have any number of compelling witnesses (including 7 professionals that I am aware of)and still nothing is done.
No doubt you will quote a statistic back at me. As somebody else posted, I have my own personal experiences, and they tell me all I need to know.
If that is the definition of a professional approach, then I wish I had you as my client, because you certainly have low expectations. Act like a profession, set yourselves the same targets and standards as professional people do and behave as professionals, then you can call yourselves professionals. Until then, don't even pretend that you are a profession. Professionals aim to get it right all of the time and be perfect in what they do.
Nice eh wrote, "we can't arrest asians"
As a solicitor of any sort you presumably studied for a LLB or went the CPE route either way you will be familiar with statistics relating to arrest,sentencing and conviction rates for ethnic minorities and the disparity these show.
I know you were using this example amongst others to illustrate your point regarding what you see as police impotence, but what you were driving at is simply not true.
As for everything else you wrote i generally agree but you have to concede that if IJP had posted similair comments with regard to solicitors (lets face it their one rung up from estate agents in the popularity stakes) you would have been equally defensive.
>> Edited by singh on Thursday 12th December 18:30
As a solicitor of any sort you presumably studied for a LLB or went the CPE route either way you will be familiar with statistics relating to arrest,sentencing and conviction rates for ethnic minorities and the disparity these show.
I know you were using this example amongst others to illustrate your point regarding what you see as police impotence, but what you were driving at is simply not true.
As for everything else you wrote i generally agree but you have to concede that if IJP had posted similair comments with regard to solicitors (lets face it their one rung up from estate agents in the popularity stakes) you would have been equally defensive.
>> Edited by singh on Thursday 12th December 18:30
On the subject of evidence, I recently had a need to call the Police to deal with a stolen car. The keys had been nicked from inside the house (yes, I was a numpty for leaving them within 'fishing' distance from the cat flap), then the car was driven away.
Luckily it was warm that night, so my bedroom windows were open and I heard the car (TT) being driven away.
I was very impressed by the initial response by the Police, who had located and were following the car within about 5 minutes of me reporting it stolen. The two thieves ran for it when they stopped and the Police lost them.
My problem comes when the Police come round to see me, and basically called me a liar when I said the keys were inside the house. They accused me of leaving the keys in the car.
I found the implement used to grab the keys in my back garden the following morning (despite the Police searching the area...). Phoned the local station who were dealing with it and they were simply not interested. Their attitude was that I had got the car back, and that is the end of it. To this day, I still have the implement as numerous phone calls and promises from the Police to come and pick it up have never turned into anything.
So, yet another crime where additional evidence was available, but ignored by the Police. I guess this will just be a positive statistic, as the car was recovered undamaged.
Richa.
Luckily it was warm that night, so my bedroom windows were open and I heard the car (TT) being driven away.
I was very impressed by the initial response by the Police, who had located and were following the car within about 5 minutes of me reporting it stolen. The two thieves ran for it when they stopped and the Police lost them.
My problem comes when the Police come round to see me, and basically called me a liar when I said the keys were inside the house. They accused me of leaving the keys in the car.
I found the implement used to grab the keys in my back garden the following morning (despite the Police searching the area...). Phoned the local station who were dealing with it and they were simply not interested. Their attitude was that I had got the car back, and that is the end of it. To this day, I still have the implement as numerous phone calls and promises from the Police to come and pick it up have never turned into anything.
So, yet another crime where additional evidence was available, but ignored by the Police. I guess this will just be a positive statistic, as the car was recovered undamaged.
Richa.
I've got quite a few police as customers (why is TVR the sports car of choice for so many of them I wonder?), and without exception they are excellent chaps and I have a lot of time for them.
Whenever I've had to use the police in an official capacity (ie for anything stolen) I've always found them polite, charming even and thankfully free of wise-cracking one-liners. never ever got any stolen stuff returned though but I haven't let that cloud my judgement - I figure some things are gone forever. Talking to serving officers it seems many of them have a tough time and endless red tape seems to reduce working man-hours (or woman-hours).
On balance I still give the police force a thumbs-up
cheerz lads.
Whenever I've had to use the police in an official capacity (ie for anything stolen) I've always found them polite, charming even and thankfully free of wise-cracking one-liners. never ever got any stolen stuff returned though but I haven't let that cloud my judgement - I figure some things are gone forever. Talking to serving officers it seems many of them have a tough time and endless red tape seems to reduce working man-hours (or woman-hours).
On balance I still give the police force a thumbs-up
cheerz lads.
D Drinks said : Nature of debate is also that people might have the same experience /views as others this is not jumping on the bandwagon you tw@t its fact
Oops...personal insults, the last bastion of a true cad! Do you have a 'teacher' problem ? Is there something you wish to tell us ? 'Point missed you have' :saidinayodastylegrandmasterjedivoice:
You may also wish to examine your post again, and check for punctuation this time. It reads like you're the speech writer for John Prescott...
Rich B said : I rather hope you meant "criminals" rather than "public" in that statement. Rich...
No I meant the public (irony...)
Been here before haven't we Rich ?
Nice Eh said: Sorry to shatter your preconception, but I am not an accountant, I am a solicitor. I deal with the law on a day to day basis. I am not a criminal lawyer, I am a corporate finance specialist. I have no axe to grind against the police in a professional capacity as I never have any dealings with them.
Ooh err, corporate solicitor and you deal with corporate law perhaps...? Your experience of Criminal procedure therefore is limited, is it not? Your experience of Police procedure will also be limited am I correct? So you base your assessment on my profession on what basis? Your experience with a few examples, not exactly scientific is it? No axe to grind, well I beg to differ....you obviously have.. you really think You think you can do things better perhaps ? Join the Special Constabulary and invest all your worldly knowledge and experience to make the country a safer place. Maybe we could delegate all the urgent jobs to you....the robberies, the assaults, rapes and murders, whilst the rest of us non-professionals take details of cars being broken into overnight and the fact that you've been ripped off at a restaurant. Make no mistake, everyone that suffers as a result of a crime is a victim, and feels strongly that their case is important...it is, but accept that some are more important than others...
Nice Eh said : we can't arrest asians/the credit card companies can afford it/we're too busy spot checking nice cars
Poor example, lacks taste and diplomacy and some will find that offensive. Hardly a remark for a 'professional' to be proud of eh?
Singh and Joospeed, thanks for the support!
Rich A said : My problem comes when the Police come round to see me, and basically called me a liar when I said the keys were inside the house. They accused me of leaving the keys in the car.
I sympathise (based on your comments, but no profession comprises purely of perfect people and yes I include solicitors here, and yes I can base this on personal experience and yes I could evidence this comment... Nothing better than a legal discussion with a solicitor who flies by the seat of his pants, especially when in Court.
Simon T said : IJP, shouldn't you be out catching criminals?
Am I allowed time off ?
TVRWhoa said : Wow, what a post, I've been away from Pistonheads a couple of weeks and find this,
Glad to provide some entertainment !!
>> Edited by **IJP** on Friday 13th December 10:27
singh said: Nice eh wrote, "we can't arrest asians"
As a solicitor of any sort you presumably studied for a LLB or went the CPE route either way you will be familiar with statistics relating to arrest,sentencing and conviction rates for ethnic minorities and the disparity these show.
I know you were using this example amongst others to illustrate your point regarding what you see as police impotence, but what you were driving at is simply not true.
>> Edited by singh on Thursday 12th December 18:30
That was what the policemen said to me when I complained about a lack of action.
He said that they could not be seen to be just barrelling into an indian resaurant and arresting people in the current climate. They did not want to be accused of being racist.
I was not driving at anything else. I pointed out to the officer that the colour of a criminals skin was irrelevent, but you can probably guess how much that helped.
Before anybody else thinks about levelling accusations at me about ulterior motives, as far as I am concerned of you steal something you are a thief. I don't care if you are white, black, brown, yellow, blue, pink or stripey, you are a thief and should be convicted. I have no idea about relative conviction rates for ethnic monorities, the are not taught on any degree course that I am aware of.
Cheap shot on solicitors popularity, but all I can say is that high street firms (which most people deal with) offer a different range of services to corporate practices (which the majority of solicitors actually work for). If you were prepared to pay £15,000 for your conveyance, the you might get Cliffird Chance to do it, but given that most people want to pay about £300, then I'm afraid you are looking at an entirely different proposition.
IJP - You are absolutely right that I have very little experience of police procedures. As I have tried to say though, that is irrelevent. You need to win the likes of me over, but you would rather take sideways swipes at us instead. I may have limited experience with the police, but so do a good number of other people, and they all seem to have had a similar "limited" experience. The credit card fraudster took over £37k off the cards. If he had done that in a bank, then he would no doubt be on crimewatch, but because it is only AmEx/Visa etc that are hurting, our boys in blue aren't interested.
The sooner the police realise that they are just another public service office, that has a form of "customer" the better. You do not have a divine right to respect, or to stampede over public sympathy or support.
You are here to serve and to protect the likes of me. And we do not feel that you are doing a good job.
Don't tell me that you are, show me that you are by actually doing it.
>> Edited by NICE EH on Friday 13th December 11:45
**IJP** said:
Oops...personal insults, the last bastion of a true cad! Do you have a 'teacher' problem ? Is there something you wish to tell us ? 'Point missed you have' :saidinayodastylegrandmasterjedivoice:
ummmm..... I'm a true (the real deal me then) cad: ‘a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings’ oh i'm sorry are you upset then?
perhaps you should visit your mother and cry into her apron 
said in a 
voice. No I have no issues with teachers just amazed at the seemingly limitless talents of the police; correcting spelling and grammar. Just thought that this came within the vocation of teachers usually. But I'm now starting to see why the police have failed to reduce crime, they are busy marking school work and correcting spelling in forums 
Though at least I now know that you are indeed a member of the constabulary - I though that I'd hidden that I write two Jags speeches really well but by investigation you've managed to find me out - i'll never be able to visit this forum again !! :hangsheadinshame:
NICE EH said :
He said that they could not be seen to be just barrelling into an indian resaurant and arresting people in the current climate. They did not want to be accused of being racist.
I was not driving at anything else. I pointed out to the officer that the colour of a criminals skin was irrelevent, but you can probably guess how much that helped.
Now you know why the Police don't perform to your expected standards...strangulation by legislation and
buried by bureaucracy.
Nice Eh Said : Cheap shot on solicitors popularity, but all I can say is that high street firms (which most people deal with) offer a different range of services to corporate practices (which the majority of solicitors actually work for). If you were prepared to pay £15,000 for your conveyance, the you might get Cliffird Chance to do it, but given that most people want to pay about £300, then I'm afraid you are looking at an entirely different proposition.
Now who's defending the status of their 'profession'?
Nice Eh said :IJP - You are absolutely right that I have very little experience of police procedures.
Is this a concession..?
Nice Eh said : As I have tried to say though, that is irrelevent.
No it isn't.. To use a hypothetical situation as an example of why...Would you attempt to argue a legal matter without investigating the facts first ? I don't think so..
Nice Eh Said : You need to win the likes of me over, but you would rather take sideways swipes at us instead.
Personally I don't, but the profession as a whole (and therefore the public) would be best served if the public are on side. No it was no more of a stereotypical swipe at your 'profession' than that you levelled at mine...ironic that and somewhat hypocritical.
Nice Eh Said: I may have limited experience with the police, but so do a good number of other people, and they all seem to have had a similar "limited" experience.
And this is the basis for your comments...?
Nice Eh Said: The credit card fraudster took over £37k off the cards. If he had done that in a bank, then he would no doubt be on crimewatch, but because it is only AmEx/Visa etc that are hurting, our boys in blue aren't interested.
Can you evidence this? Is this merely based on your cynical and limited view of Police work and procedure? I'm sure the officers dealing with you would have a view on your assessment..
Nice Eh said: 1. The sooner the police realise that they are just another public service office, that has a form of "customer" the better. 2.You do not have a divine right to respect, or to stampede over public sympathy or support.
1. We are not (do you want me to explain why?)
2. We do not automatically demand respect, merely understanding. You have no divine right to stamp your stereotypical labelling all over the Police profession.
Nice Eh said : 1.You are here to serve and to protect the likes of me. 2.And we do not feel that you are doing a good job.
1. 'Serve and Protect'... not quite correct, but almost.. seek out the attestation sworn by Police Officers when they are enrolled. Visit the Home Office and your local Police Force Websites to see how we are expected to deliver to the community as whole. Take a reality check and equate resources with the demand placed on them. As someone who undoubtedly has a good command of arithmetic, you will soon realise the raison d'etre behind Policing Priorities... i.e the sums do not add up...These facts are not hidden from the public but are IMO ignored in favour of 'slinging mud' at the nearest responsible body i.e. the Police. Yes we cock up on a regular basis, and we are not good at coming clean or admitting mistakes... However the Legal Profession (or 'Trade' as we Professionals refer to it
) regualrly fails to serve its clientele vis a vis several high profile court cases. Do they admit their mistakes....? 2.This is purely subjective. Some people will always be unhappy, some justifiably so.. The most vociferous in any debate always pound their viewpoint to the detriment of those with a balanced opinion...that's the nature of debate...
Nice Eh said
I refer my (un)learned friend to the answers I provided earlier.....
d_drinks said: ummmm..... I'm a true (the real deal me then) cad: ‘a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings’ oh i'm sorry are you upset then?
Though at least I now know that you are indeed a member of the constabulary - I though that I'd hidden that I write two Jags speeches really well but by investigation you've managed to find me out - i'll never be able to visit this forum again !! :hangsheadinshame:
Resorting to personal insults again...case proven. Did I indeed allege I was upset... no, don't believe I did.
No I don't mark or check papers for erroneous spelling or grammar, just think that in your case in undermines your credability somewhat...
Maybe what you say is true...i.e. you don't have a problem with teachers..I summise that you've probably never benefitted from an education ...
:shockhorrorcopissuesretort:
but that comment is on a par with your insults so I'll immediately withdraw it... hold on just delete it...
oops edited to say I pressed return before removing personal insult sorry...
>> Edited by **IJP** on Friday 13th December 12:59
edited again to say 'Repect due to a bloke wot can find appropriatate smillies wen he neds themm'
>> Edited by **IJP** on Friday 13th December 13:03
It would seem to me that **IJP** has not heard/forgotten the old adage that
“It takes a long time to win a customer, but only a second to loose one”.
I’ve had both good and bad experiences of the police, but in truth (and I suspect this goes for most people) the bad are foremost in my mind.
Now it would appear to me that for whatever reason (and this is from personal experience) car theft/crime, muggings and house burglary don’t seem to be very high on the police agenda and while I don’t expect miracles, I do expect them to at least give the impression that they give a s**it, which by and large they don’t. Hence they tend to loose support amongst the law-abiding public
Now if the police are too busy to bother with this type of crime I’d like to know just what crime is being investigated?
I get the impression from **IJP**’s posts that he doesn’t give much of a dam for the general public but does expect their support.
Well don’t hold your breath!
Anto
“It takes a long time to win a customer, but only a second to loose one”.
I’ve had both good and bad experiences of the police, but in truth (and I suspect this goes for most people) the bad are foremost in my mind.
Now it would appear to me that for whatever reason (and this is from personal experience) car theft/crime, muggings and house burglary don’t seem to be very high on the police agenda and while I don’t expect miracles, I do expect them to at least give the impression that they give a s**it, which by and large they don’t. Hence they tend to loose support amongst the law-abiding public
Now if the police are too busy to bother with this type of crime I’d like to know just what crime is being investigated?
I get the impression from **IJP**’s posts that he doesn’t give much of a dam for the general public but does expect their support.
Well don’t hold your breath!
Anto
**IJP** said:
Resorting to personal insults again...case proven. I summise that you've probably never benefitted from an education ...
damm IJP you're getting good at this detection business ever considered a carrer in the police force
Just out of interested is this a refernce to me being a true cad? just so I know how to plead to the
NICE EH said:
If that is the definition of a professional approach, then I wish I had you as my client, because you certainly have low expectations. Act like a profession, set yourselves the same targets and standards as professional people do and behave as professionals, then you can call yourselves professionals. Until then, don't even pretend that you are a profession. Professionals aim to get it right all of the time and be perfect in what they do.
So being a Solicitor and professional means that you and the likes of all so called professionals who have to take slightly more focused examinations in one particular field and spend three to five years at (mostly) tax payers expense having a riot at Uni to achieve this perhaps 2/2 (very impressive grading) LLB, get it right
all the time and don't misbehave in anyway 
I have met many solicitors as you would an imagine, mainly from the inside of a witness box or in an interview room. Some of whom have been good I grant. Most are at best mediocre, a few are quite frankly laughable and they are professional
. Also don't lets go into the area of conveyancing of which I have also been he victim of the 'honourable profession'.
All these occupations may be given titles outside of jobs but they merely attract the title 'profession' as a form of elitist snobbery.
Those that do jobs with vigour, personal interest and committment are usually good at what they do. Those that treat the same way to earn a living (if that is what they call it) and treat all those they serve to get that remuneration with contempt, are usually not good at it and that includes members of 'the professions' or whatever they chose to call their job
Anto Said : It would seem to me that **IJP** has not heard/forgotten the old adage that
“It takes a long time to win a customer, but only a second to loose one”.
Do you mean 'lose'?
Anto Said: I’ve had both good and bad experiences of the police, but in truth (and I suspect this goes for most people) the bad are foremost in my mind.
I did allude to this earlier...
Anto said :Now it would appear to me that for whatever reason (and this is from personal experience) car theft/crime, muggings and house burglary don’t seem to be very high on the police agenda and while I don’t expect miracles, I do expect them to at least give the impression that they give a s**it, which by and large they don’t. Hence they tend to loose support amongst the law-abiding public
Bit of a sweeping generalisation and dare I say it, a bit of a stereotypical comment, but I guess that you'll have seen that on topic this before....
Anto Said: Now if the police are too busy to bother with this type of crime I’d like to know just what crime is being investigated?
The priority ones....again I think I mentioned this earlier as well...
Anto Said : I get the impression from **IJP**’s posts that he doesn’t give much of a dam for the general public but does expect their support.
Well don’t hold your breath!
Anto
Any particular 'dam' you are not willing to part with ?
(oops sarcasm...) No in all seriousness, this is not true. I just baulk at some views expressed about the Police in general. I am certainly not under any false impression that what we do is a)always right...cos it isn't, b)That we always set a good example..cos we don't, c)That by our actions we endear ourselves to the public...cos we don't..... Think I'm now repeating myself...
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d_drinks said:
**IJP** said:
Resorting to personal insults again...case proven. I summise that you've probably never benefitted from an education ...
damm IJP you're getting good at this detection business ever considered a carrer in the police force
Just out of interested is this a refernce to me being a true cad? just so I know how to plead to the
**999** said: I just baulk at some views expressed about the Police in general. I am certainly not under any false impression that what we do is a)always right...cos it isn't, b)That we always set a good example..cos we don't, c)That by our actions we endear ourselves to the public...cos we don't.....
999/IJP I'm sure that you are correct, being in the police force you know more police personnel than I do.
Working in investment banking 'all traders' are complete w@nkers and wear red braces with at least 2 Rolex watches on each wrist - well so most people generalise, I don't wear red braces or have a Rolex but am not sure about the other part
People generalise based on their experiences for the most part, my feelings ref. the police have all come from personal experience, however I'm sure that at least some police do not fit the image that I have of them. Sorry to say that until I have a good experience with the police my view will remain a negative one. Edited to say 999 aka IJP I think you already did the
thing - or are you one of the wolly band wagon jumpers you brought up elsewhere in this thread?.... oh and if you're that bored by the thread do you job instead some what of a novel thought I know but think about it, or if you have trouble doing this get someone else to do the thinking for you and tell you what to do
>> Edited by d_drinks on Friday 13th December 15:41
**999** said:
Do you mean 'lose'?
Well I do believe that d_drinks was right that maybe you should have become a teacher.
**999** said:
Bit of a sweeping generalisation and dare I say it, a bit of a stereotypical comment, but I guess that you'll have seen that on topic this before....
Did you mean on this topic before... ?
**999** said:
The priority ones....again I think I mentioned this earlier as well...
Would you like to elaborate on what those priority ones are then?
**999**
Unsure of our identity then or are you under-cover now?
Anto
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>> Edited by Anto on Friday 13th December 15:53
Anto said:[/i ]
Now if the police are too busy to bother with this type of crime I’d like to know just what crime is being investigated?
Anto
I'll tell you what we do when we are also expected to place what is actually our very high priority to address burglary, robbery, and car crime.
We do things like stand around for hours in the late evening and into the small hours, being around so that those that take their pleasure from patronising the ever growing number of late night leisure activities serving intoxicants at inflated prices to those that fall over a the sniff of a bar maids apron and amass in thier hundreds to do so, then kick seven bells out of each other when someone 'tries to pull my bird' spills a drink on someones 'new Nikes' or whatever, or if that is not how they like to spend the rest of their evening by armed or unarmed combat, those that have a liking for the sound of shattering glass from £1000 windows in shop fronts, bus shelters or emptying the contents of the days trash bins along the High Streets for a more tateful environment. The bounds to their pleasure are endless.
Then there is the constant attendance at marital or non marital partnership abodes where they decide they do not really like each other too much anymore and have a private war which inevitably impacts on the immediate neighbours as well.
Then there is allocating large amounts of resources to finding disgruntled youves (mainly female) who have an imbalance of hormones or some other petty grudge about the rules of their family home and decide to take a 3 day sabatical without telling anyone where they are going or latting them know where they are.
Then there are those of you that happen to be upstanding and experienced motorists who have propensity to meet in unfortunate comings together in your machines which require investigating and debris removal.
Then there are complaints about parking, noise and other antisocial behaviour that upsets the public but require a response.
Then there is the unecessary time allocated to people that are not mature enough to think for themselves and leave valuable equipment on view in their cars or lying on pub tables while they go to the toilet and lo and behold it has gone when they return.
Then there is the lost dogs/found dogs, plumbing problems, vehicle repair problems, any other domestic problems (I even went to a call a few years ago when Michael Parkinsons wife phoned in because whilst moving her fridge freezer it had fallen over and she was unable to lift it up again)
The there is the problem that whilst catching a (real) criminal, to make everyone elses job much easier (especially the prosecution and mainly the defence lawyer), we are tied to paperwork and custody proceedures for what at the earliest point of release could be 4 hours for a simple arrest to well over 12 hours for something a little more complex.
The problem with the demands on the Police is that we have become an on call Social service with not enough resouces to allocate to every demand that is required. It is not improbable that at the end of a 24 hour period in the area I work which is a busy area, to have over 100 jobs not resourced. Many of these will have required immediate responses but when there is no one to send because all those available are committed, then how the hell can it be resolved.
The Subdivision that I am attached to has two large towns that have a combined population of around 60,000 people. This does not include the surrounding satellite villages which are dotted over a vast area between them. At any given time, there may be no more than 4 oficers actively patrolling each town. Eight available officers at the beginning of a shift to share between 60,000 people all with the potential for a demand on those eight officers and you can see the problem about sharing them out. Then if one patrol gets a custody procedure to deal with, thy are out of the game for the rest of the shift.
The Police have become a service because that is what the public want. Therfore we attend all sorts of rubbish type calls that are quite frankly not necessary or because they save the caller money by hiring in 'a professional'.
If the Police were to go back to being a Police Force and do away with an attempt to try to please everyone that calls, then you would certainly have cause for concern, but maybe not in what is our core business of burglary, car theft and robbery when we could concentrate on dealing with them.
The other problem is that generally, unless the problem is a personal crime to you or your family, then no one else wants to get involved in being a witness. Without witnesses, it is very difficult to pot those that offend by using purely physical evidence if it is available for seizure at the time.
The question is who would deal with all the rest of the stuff?
>> Edited by madcop on Friday 13th December 16:07
Steve, any chance of coming over and looking at our washing machine tomorrow??
madcop said: The Police have become a service because that is what the public want. Therfore we attend all sorts of rubbish type calls that are quite frankly not necessary or because they save the caller money by hiring in 'a professional'
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