The Prototypes.
Discussion
To my knowlegde, the SM exists and has been undergoing a very long restoration.
Two Tina's exist, a convertible in the USA and a fixed head in the UK (used to be owned by Gerry Marshall)
The 420Saloon, only ever had one side, the other side was open at the motor show and was chopped up at some point by TVR
davidy
Two Tina's exist, a convertible in the USA and a fixed head in the UK (used to be owned by Gerry Marshall)
The 420Saloon, only ever had one side, the other side was open at the motor show and was chopped up at some point by TVR
davidy
davidy said:
The 420Saloon, only ever had one side, the other side was open at the motor show and was chopped up at some point by TVR
davidy
As I understood it the 420 saloon was chopped up and the front of it became part of the WHite elephant...
Im sure this gave Howard an issue as they couldnt get the rad out as the complete nose was bonded on
Pity though..
chassis 33 said:
Please please tell me they didn't chop up the original Speed12 prototypes, do any of the prototypes or ex-British GT cars still exist?
Regards
Iain
Regards
Iain
Kerry Gardiner has the road going speed12 fitted with the later race bodywork.
there is one tub and the road car front and rear bodywork lying around at the factory..
Im not that sure there really were any more...
Is Kerry's car the red one that was at back home?
There was the white (and black in one season) Speed12 racer, that was in the Privilege British GT against the likes of the Lister Storm in the late 90's and (I'm guessing its the same car that Clarkson test drove, the vid of which has been on PH recently). Last I head that was sold to Japan, I don't know if that's myth or not, but I don't believe the white car was the car pictured above resprayed.
Regards
Iain
edited cos I've just noticed some really crap speeling
There was the white (and black in one season) Speed12 racer, that was in the Privilege British GT against the likes of the Lister Storm in the late 90's and (I'm guessing its the same car that Clarkson test drove, the vid of which has been on PH recently). Last I head that was sold to Japan, I don't know if that's myth or not, but I don't believe the white car was the car pictured above resprayed.
Regards
Iain
edited cos I've just noticed some really crap speeling
Edited by chassis 33 on Monday 11th September 16:48
Yes Kerry's car was the one at back home. when he bought it he had it fitted with the front and rear from the racer ( which was black at the time) the black tub and the red road car front and rear were lying around at the factory.
there are pictures about of kerry's car in silver and red with the road car bodywork.
I've heard the Japan rumor but nothing confrirmed. Gaffer is probably te best person to ask for actual Numbers of speed 12's but my guess is two. one racer and one road car with the racer having been canabalised.
I cant see the factory providing support for the speed12 engine over in japan..
there are pictures about of kerry's car in silver and red with the road car bodywork.
I've heard the Japan rumor but nothing confrirmed. Gaffer is probably te best person to ask for actual Numbers of speed 12's but my guess is two. one racer and one road car with the racer having been canabalised.
I cant see the factory providing support for the speed12 engine over in japan..
Graham said:
Yes Kerry's car was the one at back home. when he bought it he had it fitted with the front and rear from the racer ( which was black at the time) the black tub and the red road car front and rear were lying around at the factory.
there are pictures about of kerry's car in silver and red with the road car bodywork.
I've heard the Japan rumor but nothing confrirmed. Gaffer is probably te best person to ask for actual Numbers of speed 12's but my guess is two. one racer and one road car with the racer having been canabalised.
I cant see the factory providing support for the speed12 engine over in japan..
there are pictures about of kerry's car in silver and red with the road car bodywork.
I've heard the Japan rumor but nothing confrirmed. Gaffer is probably te best person to ask for actual Numbers of speed 12's but my guess is two. one racer and one road car with the racer having been canabalised.
I cant see the factory providing support for the speed12 engine over in japan..
My memory is starting to fade a little (clouded by various colour changes), but I think we ended up with three 'runners'. There was only one road car, but two racecars were made. There may have been a fourth honeycomb tub built, but that was after I left. Roadcar and racecar were identical anyway.
Don't count the '99 motorshow road car that was painted in flip paint - that had an MDF tub that was skinned in thin aluminium sheet. Looked okay, but you wouldn't want to put 600bhp through it...
There were only three engines (possibly only two), which I think was one of the main factors limiting production numbers.
Edited by Ahonen on Monday 11th September 21:00
Yup I can run with that, i think the time line is something like
The original concept
...that buck formed into the motorshow car from 1997 (i think) that is pictured above in the thread
...that car became the TVR Speed 12 that raced in GT1 of the British GT series in 1998 as a white car, and I think as a black car the following year, with the intent of racing at LM. This is the car I heard was currently in Japan
Due to LM rule changes etc etc that car was shelved and the 2000 motorshow brought the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, the only significant common part being the engine
This car and maybe one other (?) became the blue Scania car, the silver road car and the red roadcar.
Does this sound about right?
The original concept
...that buck formed into the motorshow car from 1997 (i think) that is pictured above in the thread
...that car became the TVR Speed 12 that raced in GT1 of the British GT series in 1998 as a white car, and I think as a black car the following year, with the intent of racing at LM. This is the car I heard was currently in Japan
Due to LM rule changes etc etc that car was shelved and the 2000 motorshow brought the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, the only significant common part being the engine
This car and maybe one other (?) became the blue Scania car, the silver road car and the red roadcar.
Does this sound about right?
chassis 33 said:
Due to LM rule changes etc etc that car was shelved and the 2000 motorshow brought the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, the only significant common part being the engine
This car and maybe one other (?) became the blue Scania car, the silver road car and the red roadcar.
Does this sound about right?
Ah, you were referring to the original Speed 12. I made the same mistake as Graham.
The car above is the MDF chassised one I referred to earlier, pictured at the '99 Motorshow. A mock-up with proper bodywork.
The bare carbon one from the same show (exhibited with most of its bodywork removed) became the blue Scania car in 2000.
The original Speed 12 was canned because it was pretty uncompetitive against the likes of the Porsche GT1 and long-tail McLaren and there was no way of getting on the pace without starting again. The outlawing of the GT1 class was just a coincidence.
Edited by Ahonen on Monday 11th September 21:12
I heard my name being mentioned...????
OK
Zante was brought up from Cheltenham to the factory under the care of Mike Williams in about 2001 - its still there afaik.
Tina - no idea - too far before my time
White elephant aka the Holden TVR - being restored by Howard.
Speed 8 - destroyed many years ago
The white racing speed 12 (the one from the clarkson vid) was driven in the GT classes by John Kent. It was left outside for many years and has since been restored and is being used as a pace car (cant remember where will check)
Black Cerb speed 12 as driven by McKellar Jnr - still racing IIRC
Road going Speed 12 (Cerb) - Peter Wheelers own car - was red, then silver and now red again. Currently owned by Kerry.
The 12 that was at the motorshow behind the ropes - umm, well it was mostly cardboard over a rolling chassis. Being behind the ropes etc only added to the mystery of the car and plus they didnt want people touchign it for obvious reasons.
Cosworth S - again raced by John Kent, most famously in Macau (along side Steve Cole in the yellow SEAC) - now somewhere in Italy where its been for years.
The tubs for the 12 lived on the roof at tvr until being destroyed a while back (then again they could have moved them out of the rain).
I think thats everything....
Claire
OK
Zante was brought up from Cheltenham to the factory under the care of Mike Williams in about 2001 - its still there afaik.
Tina - no idea - too far before my time
White elephant aka the Holden TVR - being restored by Howard.
Speed 8 - destroyed many years ago
The white racing speed 12 (the one from the clarkson vid) was driven in the GT classes by John Kent. It was left outside for many years and has since been restored and is being used as a pace car (cant remember where will check)
Black Cerb speed 12 as driven by McKellar Jnr - still racing IIRC
Road going Speed 12 (Cerb) - Peter Wheelers own car - was red, then silver and now red again. Currently owned by Kerry.
The 12 that was at the motorshow behind the ropes - umm, well it was mostly cardboard over a rolling chassis. Being behind the ropes etc only added to the mystery of the car and plus they didnt want people touchign it for obvious reasons.
Cosworth S - again raced by John Kent, most famously in Macau (along side Steve Cole in the yellow SEAC) - now somewhere in Italy where its been for years.
The tubs for the 12 lived on the roof at tvr until being destroyed a while back (then again they could have moved them out of the rain).
I think thats everything....
Claire
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