RE: TVR to launch 600bhp supercar
Discussion
johnbear said:
What gearbox will TVR have to use?. I understand the T5 is at it's limit around 450bhp.
The T5 is supposed to be 300lb/ft (although probably safe to just over 400lb/ft since there will be a safety margin built), as torque * speed = power, so even a normal S6 TVR doesn't need the gearbox strength of a bus even though the bus will have less power.
Anyway, there are the TKO600 and T56 options but these are standard off the shelf items.
I'd guess that the sequential box may be finished off (by Ricardo, at not inconsiderable expense)
? The PH'ers that have put deposits on the cars must actually know all this!
I've been expecting to see this idea punted already - but so far not seen it, so . . .Remember what happened to Triumph ie the motorcycle company, when they went a bit pear-shaped? the workers formed a co-operative which IRRC was moderately successful for a while, and the company is now still in business? So . .could someone with a bit of organisational ability pull something together with the current workforce, perhaps around a MKII Griffith + Chimaera package ( ie an out and out sportscar plus a grand tourer, built around the same basic engine/chassis with different suspension, (updated) body shells and running gear, with a bought-in engine (Ford? Chevy? BMW even?) aimed at the £35k market as already defined on this thread?
Well, go ahead and tell me if I'm talking out of my @rse as usual, but it sounds pretty good to me!
Well, go ahead and tell me if I'm talking out of my @rse as usual, but it sounds pretty good to me!
A verbal commitment ? Surely they are asking for more than that, are they not ?
I seem to recall potential Typhon customers having to cough up around 10k, which I also understand has not been reimbursed to some.
So, it begs the question, if TVR were again to ask for a substancial deposit, say 10k, how many would take then up on the offer.
A letter of intent is easy, putting your own hard earned into it would be a whole different matter.
I truelly hope that it does come off. I won't myself be buying one, but it would be an awesome car no doubt.
I seem to recall potential Typhon customers having to cough up around 10k, which I also understand has not been reimbursed to some.
So, it begs the question, if TVR were again to ask for a substancial deposit, say 10k, how many would take then up on the offer.
A letter of intent is easy, putting your own hard earned into it would be a whole different matter.
I truelly hope that it does come off. I won't myself be buying one, but it would be an awesome car no doubt.
Daftlad said:
Have some PHrs paid a deposit already? I too wonder what they expect??
Umm, OK, that was a guess / misinterpretation, whatever has been said seems to have been purely a verbal thing... Maybe the sort of TVR owner who wants to haretle up woody hills by having more power to warm their tyres up ?
Graham said:
franv8 said:
Everytime I saw a TVR compete at Le Mans it never made it past the first hour of the race! Hardly a positive impression.
remind me exactly which year the tvr entry didnt make it past the first hour... apart from the very first time in the 50's of the 3 modern era time they have been there they made it well past the hour. ok in the firt year with the dewalt cars the both failed before the end and one of them was due to an accident the other a failed prop shaft. the year of the purple monsters they both finished and the following year the peninsula car also finished. if the lnt cars had gone i'd have expected a good result an possibly a win as they got at spa..
credit where credits due..
That's a bit of a dirty trick, bringing facts into a discussion. Why can't you stick with prejudice, insinuations and inuendo like everyone else? Next you'll be doing research before posting and that would never do.
RichardD said:
Daftlad said:
Have some PHrs paid a deposit already? I too wonder what they expect??
Umm, OK, that was a guess / misinterpretation, whatever has been said seems to have been purely a verbal thing... Maybe the sort of TVR owner who wants to haretle up woody hills by having more power to warm their tyres up ?
Indeed sir.
midnightDriver said:
gazzab said:
midnightDriver said:
Why is it when TVR are being discussed theres always one person who has to bring up the topic of a chevy V8...wots the deal with that??!...u wanna chevyV8 wrapped in fibreglass go buy a friggin corvette!!
If you have to ask then maybe you dont get it........?
Yeh ur right i dont get it......im sure sum one is gonna point out that the Chevy V8 is relativly cheap, reliable, has loadsa grunt etc, but tvrs competitors (marcos, corvette) also have same engine,In my book TVRs have to have something (apart from the styling)to differentiate them from the competition. Cos on paper they are simular concepts,...think about it..chev V8,front engined,rear wheeled drived GTs.
The Speed 6 gives TVR its unique character, in the same way porsches flat 6 defines a 911s individuality. It would sacreligious to consider any other engine in a 911. Ok it could be argued that there would be no need for porsche to out source its engine,as its reliable enuff, but thats not the point of my argument,my point was that you buy TVRs cos they are different, an alternative from the other cars on the market,kinda its reminds me of when coke-a-cola tried to change its original recipe jus cos tests showed pepsi tasted better,to me theres no point aping the competition, variety is the spice.
franv8 said:
I'm not going to get involved in a Corvette vs TVR discussion on this (orders of Sciencebird), but just to comment on the glue issue, GM have been pressure moulding the fibreglass components of the Corvette for a very long time, so if you look at at a Corvette's shell, certainly after 1984, then you'll note there is no visible fibreglass like you'd see on the inside of canoes etc., and there is certainly no smell of glue either.
I was disappointed at the motorshow to see how much the back of the corvette bent inwards with one fingers pressure. It needs a big of bracing there?
byker28i said:
franv8 said:
I'm not going to get involved in a Corvette vs TVR discussion on this (orders of Sciencebird), but just to comment on the glue issue, GM have been pressure moulding the fibreglass components of the Corvette for a very long time, so if you look at at a Corvette's shell, certainly after 1984, then you'll note there is no visible fibreglass like you'd see on the inside of canoes etc., and there is certainly no smell of glue either.
I was disappointed at the motorshow to see how much the back of the corvette bent inwards with one fingers pressure. It needs a big of bracing there?
I'm sure they are not going to build them all at once.
The chassis, engine and everything is already there, just tweak the moulds to get a slightly different look and build each one when a deposit clears. It might take a year or two to build them but I think you'll find that they are just testing the water here to see if a new business model of selling top end cars only is pheasible.
I do suspect that in this modern age there is no profit in bespoke £35K cars, but that there is in £100K ones. Open up the European market and a few others and you should be able to sell a few hundred a year easily if the package is correct. The wagons should have at least a 40% profit margin.
I suspect that they will take 60 orders for this car and deliver 60 cars. If they prove they can make profit doing that then that will be the future of TVR. If they fail then it's game over.
That's why I support this move, even though I wouldn't part with £12oK for this type of car. I can see that it may be TVRs only future.
The chassis, engine and everything is already there, just tweak the moulds to get a slightly different look and build each one when a deposit clears. It might take a year or two to build them but I think you'll find that they are just testing the water here to see if a new business model of selling top end cars only is pheasible.
I do suspect that in this modern age there is no profit in bespoke £35K cars, but that there is in £100K ones. Open up the European market and a few others and you should be able to sell a few hundred a year easily if the package is correct. The wagons should have at least a 40% profit margin.
I suspect that they will take 60 orders for this car and deliver 60 cars. If they prove they can make profit doing that then that will be the future of TVR. If they fail then it's game over.
That's why I support this move, even though I wouldn't part with £12oK for this type of car. I can see that it may be TVRs only future.
Horse_Apple said:
I'm sure they are not going to build them all at once.
The chassis, engine and everything is already there, just tweak the moulds to get a slightly different look and build each one when a deposit clears. It might take a year or two to build them but I think you'll find that they are just testing the water here to see if a new business model of selling top end cars only is pheasible.
I do suspect that in this modern age there is no profit in bespoke £35K cars, but that there is in £100K ones. Open up the European market and a few others and you should be able to sell a few hundred a year easily if the package is correct. The wagons should have at least a 40% profit margin.
I suspect that they will take 60 orders for this car and deliver 60 cars. If they prove they can make profit doing that then that will be the future of TVR. If they fail then it's game over.
That's why I support this move, even though I wouldn't part with £12oK for this type of car. I can see that it may be TVRs only future.
The chassis, engine and everything is already there, just tweak the moulds to get a slightly different look and build each one when a deposit clears. It might take a year or two to build them but I think you'll find that they are just testing the water here to see if a new business model of selling top end cars only is pheasible.
I do suspect that in this modern age there is no profit in bespoke £35K cars, but that there is in £100K ones. Open up the European market and a few others and you should be able to sell a few hundred a year easily if the package is correct. The wagons should have at least a 40% profit margin.
I suspect that they will take 60 orders for this car and deliver 60 cars. If they prove they can make profit doing that then that will be the future of TVR. If they fail then it's game over.
That's why I support this move, even though I wouldn't part with £12oK for this type of car. I can see that it may be TVRs only future.
But that's not what NS is saying is the market surely. He wants to sell 2,500 cars per year across europe. You dont do that easily at 120k per?
GRaham
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