RE: TVR to launch 600bhp supercar
Discussion
Don't be so desperately dull you lot!
TVR plan a supercar destroyer and you all moan, 'why can't they do an mx5 type car'. This is ridiculous. The best loved TVRs have been the headline grabbers not the humdrum capri engined 'S' regardless of the commercial sense. Before you can sell the bread and butter cars you need to inject some life into the brand. This was the purpose of the SEACs which were wildly expensive at the time but blisteringly fast and helped build TVRs reputation as a purveyor of bad ass cars - even though everyone bought 350is, the SEAC got the company noticed and now of course are 'the stuff of TVR legend'.
Besides the launch of a high volume low margin model is make or break stuff, whereas a high margin, low volume model is a much lower risk project esp considering the state of the dealer network.
If it actually happens (and I have my doubts) it will be the first bold and outrageous proposal in the grand TVR tradition from the company for some time. As such I applaud it even though I have neither the intention nor the means to buy one.
How dare TVR produce a carbon bodied 600bhp car for 120k (Ferrari 430 money)?
That's much more like it TVR!
TVR plan a supercar destroyer and you all moan, 'why can't they do an mx5 type car'. This is ridiculous. The best loved TVRs have been the headline grabbers not the humdrum capri engined 'S' regardless of the commercial sense. Before you can sell the bread and butter cars you need to inject some life into the brand. This was the purpose of the SEACs which were wildly expensive at the time but blisteringly fast and helped build TVRs reputation as a purveyor of bad ass cars - even though everyone bought 350is, the SEAC got the company noticed and now of course are 'the stuff of TVR legend'.
Besides the launch of a high volume low margin model is make or break stuff, whereas a high margin, low volume model is a much lower risk project esp considering the state of the dealer network.
If it actually happens (and I have my doubts) it will be the first bold and outrageous proposal in the grand TVR tradition from the company for some time. As such I applaud it even though I have neither the intention nor the means to buy one.
How dare TVR produce a carbon bodied 600bhp car for 120k (Ferrari 430 money)?
That's much more like it TVR!
the pits said:
How dare TVR produce a carbon bodied 600bhp car for 120k (Ferrari 430 money)?
That's much more like it TVR!
That's much more like it TVR!
Agreed, but where has it got them to today exactly, in the real world full of stiff competition and decent quality control? I (sadly) hear more nails being tapped into a long thin wooden box when I see these sorts of press releases.
dubbs said:
NS - "LA LA LA LA LA I AMZ NOT LISTNINGSKI...."
TVR should spend more time trying to understnad why they can't sell any of the affordable cars instead of trying to compete with the marques that have credibility.
You may be able to cite "loads of cash" being a mark of quality in Russia but in the automotive world the other side of the Eastern Bloc either a pedigree or a unique reason to buy your product is needed.
What's the USP of a 120k TVR?
Don't answer that.
I'm very surprised that the PR men in TVR aren't using their brains and coming up with something workable. I could do better and I should know far less about the car industry than they do.
TVR should spend more time trying to understnad why they can't sell any of the affordable cars instead of trying to compete with the marques that have credibility.
You may be able to cite "loads of cash" being a mark of quality in Russia but in the automotive world the other side of the Eastern Bloc either a pedigree or a unique reason to buy your product is needed.
What's the USP of a 120k TVR?
Don't answer that.
I'm very surprised that the PR men in TVR aren't using their brains and coming up with something workable. I could do better and I should know far less about the car industry than they do.
Precisely.
Oi, Smolenski, check this lot out: www.nobleautomotive.co.uk (may not actually be the right web address).
They have about as much development money as you, and yet they manage to turn a box of Ford bits into a Ferrari-basher that wins handling awards, looks like a Lamborghini and is selling stronger year on year. They've even opened a dealership in Moscow - have you done that?
IMO TVR should have stuck to what they do best and worked with that, rather than going all experimental and burning cash and jobs in the process. I mean, I see TVRs as a sort-of halfway house between a Triumph TR6 and a Maserati. So why try going after Porsche?
There have been some idiotic decisions at TVR of late. They're beginning to lose my respect.
here here Kinny,
the car is supposed to celebrate 60yrs of bonkers car manufacturing and for me a new sub £30k car wouldn't cut it. Long term business sense yes, but 60th Celebration model? No!
It will also be more than a little interesting to see NS's personal taste which has yet to break cover...
Mind you, some 60th celebration having just closed Bristol avenue...
I really hope it happens, especially for the sake of my 3 yr warranty!
the car is supposed to celebrate 60yrs of bonkers car manufacturing and for me a new sub £30k car wouldn't cut it. Long term business sense yes, but 60th Celebration model? No!
It will also be more than a little interesting to see NS's personal taste which has yet to break cover...
Mind you, some 60th celebration having just closed Bristol avenue...
I really hope it happens, especially for the sake of my 3 yr warranty!
the pits said:
here here Kinny,
the car is supposed to celebrate 60yrs of bonkers car manufacturing and for me a new sub £30k car wouldn't cut it. Long term business sense yes, but 60th Celebration model? No!
It will also be more than a little interesting to see NS's personal taste which has yet to break cover...
Mind you, some 60th celebration having just closed Bristol avenue...
I really hope it happens, especially for the sake of my 3 yr warranty!
the car is supposed to celebrate 60yrs of bonkers car manufacturing and for me a new sub £30k car wouldn't cut it. Long term business sense yes, but 60th Celebration model? No!
It will also be more than a little interesting to see NS's personal taste which has yet to break cover...
Mind you, some 60th celebration having just closed Bristol avenue...
I really hope it happens, especially for the sake of my 3 yr warranty!
Thing is, they really can't afford it, can they?
They'd be better off bringing out a car with traditional TVR handling - no aids or assistance, tail-happy - but a propriety engine and price it just below Honda S2000 territory. Make it look like a properly exotic beast, and add a supercharger perhaps.
But unleashing a £120k beast with a totally theoretical spec... will they last to their 60th birthday?
Sorry to be so negative but this seems like a load of wnak. Not only is 120k totally off the scale, especially from a manufacturer that could'nt orgainse a piss up in brewery but 600 black pool horses? Err so that will realistically be about 420bhp, the same as a Cerbera 4.5 RR - yeah right.. 
[quote=HeavySoul]Lunacy - a highly tuned SP6 engine when they have so many problem with the standard engine?
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bad arguement^ because later engines are fine, as is my 53 plate car
no problems with the standard engine in my T350, in fact it has been the most reliable part of my car over the 20,000 miles its covered. last week told the engine is strong and no signs of wear or damage. was told this from a man who built them and said "aslong as you have the upgraded internals, follow the service schedule and warm up properly before giving it beans, theres no reason to suggest it will ever need rebuilt"
I'd like to see TVR prove all those with doubt wrong. i won't be able to afford 120k though.
Yes they do need a new 30-40K basic model BUT just because they haven't made a press release about one yet doesn't mean they won't.
Why be so bloody negative, theres nothing we can do to stop this man from doing what he likes with his business, so why not just wait and see before we slate him?
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bad arguement^ because later engines are fine, as is my 53 plate car
no problems with the standard engine in my T350, in fact it has been the most reliable part of my car over the 20,000 miles its covered. last week told the engine is strong and no signs of wear or damage. was told this from a man who built them and said "aslong as you have the upgraded internals, follow the service schedule and warm up properly before giving it beans, theres no reason to suggest it will ever need rebuilt"
I'd like to see TVR prove all those with doubt wrong. i won't be able to afford 120k though.
Yes they do need a new 30-40K basic model BUT just because they haven't made a press release about one yet doesn't mean they won't.
Why be so bloody negative, theres nothing we can do to stop this man from doing what he likes with his business, so why not just wait and see before we slate him?
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andysgriff said:
Sorry to be so negative but this seems like a load of wnak. Not only is 120k totally off the scale, especially from a manufacturer that could'nt orgainse a piss up in brewery but 600 black pool horses? Err so that will realistically be about 420bhp, the same as a Cerbera 4.5 RR - yeah right..
Precisely.
I offer the cautionary tale of Allard.
Allard were one of Britain's great sporting marques. Back in the '40s and '50s they had the world at their feet. They built hard, uncompromising V8-powered roadsters that looked as exotic as the MM Ferraris from Italy at the time. They blasted to 100 and beyond faster than just about anything else. And there was substance to the flash - they won the Monte Carlo Rally.
And then Jaguar released the XK120. It was better-looking, just as fast but half as thirsty, cheaper to buy, cheaper to service, easier to drive and sold through a massive dealer network.
And then came the Austin-Healey 100, which did the same for even less than the Jaguar.
So what did Allard do in 1960? Release the Palm Beach Roadster. It had the looks, it had the go, it was, err, priced above the Austin-Healey.
People bought Austin-Healeys and Allard, who in many ways invented the Cobra recipe twenty years before Carroll Shelby and had been a fearsome British competitor in international motorsport, died on its arse.
TVR might want to make a grand gesture, but pricing a car like this in Italian big-gun territory is tantamount to signing its own death warrant.
It would be wise to remember one of Allard's contemporaries in the late '40s/early '50s. They built race-winning, individualistic cars too, but they were cheaper and used off-the-shelf engines. They were called Lotus...
In short, TVR needs an Elise/S2000, not a pound-shop Ferrari.
it wasnt just me that could make a pixel helicopter fly accross a comodore screenTwincam16 said:
Oi, Smolenski, check this lot out: www.nobleautomotive.co.uk (may not actually be the right web address)
Its not....
try hereinstead
twinnybaby said:
they manage to turn a box of Ford bits into a Ferrari-basher that wins handling awards, looks like a Lamborghini and is selling stronger year on year.
Erm, since when has any noble looked like a lambo? Each to their own and all that, but personaly I think the noble looks like a kit car. Therefore its USP is certainly not its looks, but rather its cheap banzai performance.
twinnybaby said:
IMO TVR should have stuck to what they do best and worked with that, rather than going all experimental and burning cash and jobs in the process. I mean, I see TVRs as a sort-of halfway house between a Triumph TR6 and a Maserati. So why try going after Porsche?
Erm, sorry, when has TVR not made bnazai performance cars? It is still sticking to what it does best. i.e. making a 600bhp road car* thats about the third of the price of its rivals (performance wise)
half way house between a TR6 and a Maserati? dear boy, what planet are you on?
why try going after Porsche? erm, thats what the've been doing for the last couple of decades....
I say Good luck to them, why all the nae saying? I belive that a Halo model is exactly what TVR needs. There are doubltless a lot of punters out there who hate the image of a Ferrari, baulk at pating 100+k for an uber beetle and dont want a deformed Phaeton or blinged up Ford Cougar.
Ascari manged to prove that a 250k unknown supercar could sell to wealthy buyers looking for exclusivity, so why not the TVR?
twinnybaby said:
There have been some idiotic decisions at TVR of late. You're beginning to lose my respect.
this is of course on the basis that TVR have the sense to put their money where their mouth is and not sprout unsubstantuated cobblers
targarama said:
I sincerely hope Mr Oxley is reading this thread.
Just how many 120k supercars does TVR think it is going to sell? Maybe there is an ambition to be a Pagani?! I'd suggest looking more closely at Pagani sales volume and quality/service first
Just how many 120k supercars does TVR think it is going to sell? Maybe there is an ambition to be a Pagani?! I'd suggest looking more closely at Pagani sales volume and quality/service first
They have applied logic to it:
They need to sell 1/4 million quid's worth of cars a week to keep going.
They are currently selling 2 cars a week.
Do the maths!
No delivery dates yet for this marvel then. 
I seem to remember poring longingly over a CF bodied, honeycomb aluminium chassied, Speed Six engined GT car at the October 2002 motorshow where a bespoke six speed sequential gearbox was displayed on the stand. There was also a promise of a supercharger. The car? A TVR T440R (which later became the Typhon). At best they have managed to produce/sell maybe five or six in the subsequent four years.
So where are the new ideas? Still, stick in your deposits now for the same discussion in late Autumn 2010.
I seem to remember poring longingly over a CF bodied, honeycomb aluminium chassied, Speed Six engined GT car at the October 2002 motorshow where a bespoke six speed sequential gearbox was displayed on the stand. There was also a promise of a supercharger. The car? A TVR T440R (which later became the Typhon). At best they have managed to produce/sell maybe five or six in the subsequent four years.
So where are the new ideas? Still, stick in your deposits now for the same discussion in late Autumn 2010.
ASBO said:
Erm, sorry, when has TVR not made bnazai performance cars? It is still sticking to what it does best. i.e. making a 600bhp road car* thats about the third of the price of its rivals (performance wise)
Am I missing something, its going to be the same price as a Ferrari F430 or Lamborghini Gallardo - its not a 40k rival??
Bennno
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