Taimar 5000M info needed.

[V8TVR1978]

Have another TVR owner who needs info on 5000M so he can get homologation to be able to race a 5000M. Were these cars actually a production car from TVR or were they built by the owners like what Jack Griffin in the U.S. did to the Grantura to make the original Griffiths?? Any factory proof that these cars existed, press releases or any paperwork on said cars would be greatly appreciated.

Wayne/Sherry Leppard.
Calgary,Alberta.Canada.

[DavidY]

Not built by the factory, conversion done by the Canadian Importer.

davidy

[V8TVR1978]

So you are saying that the 5000M is not a true production model. That it is just like any other V8 conversion car out on the streets at the moment. Was John Wadman in Toronto Canada the only person to do this modification???

[DavidY]

Yes the 5000M was never a true factory car. A number of cars were converted by John Wadman (and there are some later DIY conversions)

davidy

[V8TVR1978]

Yes I know about some of the cars being DIY. John Buzzard in Montreal has a 3000M that was done by a previous owner but I think John did the actual work.
Both our 78 and 79 were conversions done by John Wadman. Wonder if anyone on the other side of the pond tried to copy what Wadman did.

[heightswitch]

V8TVR1978 said:

So you are saying that the 5000M is not a true production model. That it is just like any other V8 conversion car out on the streets at the moment. Was John Wadman in Toronto Canada the only person to do this modification???

I don't think davidy is saying that at all.

As such a 5000M was never a production TVR. It was however recognised as a properly converted and therefore sanctioned car via John Wadman. as a sanctioned Dealer converted car then in theory its provenance for homologation purposes should be entirely possible.

At this moment in time a Production 5000m is being constructed by Peter Wheeler for racing over here in heritage GT. For the purposes of homologation and authenticity I would start with Richard Sails the TVR Club Archivist who will be in a position to help with supporting documentation regards homologation papers.

I would love to see some pics of the car since a 5000M in my book was always a model that should have been available in the UK.

N.

[V8TVR1978]

Hi norm.
Nice replica Griff. Also thanks for the info and will pass it along. I do have to get ahold of John Wadman again as I still need to obtain more info on our 2 Taimars that he converted. We know that our 78 Taimar was converted to the V8 with the cooperation of TVR Engineering and to be registered as a 5000M for the Canadian market. Hopefully our 79 has the same set up. That would be nice to have that type of paperwork for others to view at show and shines or car shows.

[heightswitch]

Adrian@ said:

heightswitch said:

V8TVR1978 said:

So you are saying that the 5000M is not a true production model. That it is just like any other V8 conversion car out on the streets at the moment. Was John Wadman in Toronto Canada the only person to do this modification???

I don't think davidy is saying that at all.

As such a 5000M was never a production TVR. It was however recognised as a properly converted and therefore sanctioned car via John Wadman. as a sanctioned Dealer converted car then in theory its provenance for homologation purposes should be entirely possible.

At this moment in time a Production 5000m is being constructed by Peter Wheeler for racing over here in heritage GT. For the purposes of homologation and authenticity I would start with Richard Sails the TVR Club Archivist who will be in a position to help with supporting documentation regards homologation papers.



I would love to see some pics of the car since a 5000M in my book was always a model that should have been available in the UK.

N.

Either I'm getting old ...or I am old, but the John Wadman cars were all other cars prior to them being 5000M's, and 'recognised as a properly converted and therefore sanctioned' where did this come from Neil?
Adrian@

I always thought the John Wadman cars were blessed as approved conversions carried out by the canadian importer Adrian?
I know that they started life as std M Cars but weren't they warrantied and serviced after conversion?

Peter Wheeler has one he is about to race so they must be factory cars surely

N.

Edited by heightswitch on Monday 22 September 08:05

[intermediate]

I like to see his homologating!

[TVR_owner]

Adrian@ said:

As you say, Richard Sails is the man to speak to, I do not know the facts on this, owners of the cars will know more, Mervyn Larner is a good source for historical info and PW must be creating a car to suit the regs that he will be racing in.
Adrian@

PRWs car is longer and wider than an M as I understand.

Were the Canadian 5000Ms not also oddly bodied?

[DavidY]

There has been a previous UK '5000M' or convertible to be precise which to all intends and purposes was 'created' in the UK. The car was XKU3L originally an 3 litre M, then converted to a convertible for Martin Lilley by the factory (not a 3000S body), it appeared in the early 90's having been rebuilt with a 289 and the rebuilders claiming that it was a one off car originally factory built for Martin Lilley and fitted with a 289 by the factory. IMHO and a load of others think that is pure bulls**t. The was sucesfully raced in Macau and in Hong Kong, though where it lives now, who knows.

The car was featured in numerous magazines though its 'originality' is highly questionable (IMO)

davidy

Edited by DavidY on Monday 22 September 09:31

Edited by DavidY on Monday 22 September 10:08

[Terminator]

TVR_owner said:

Were the Canadian 5000Ms not also oddly bodied?

The one's I've seen during my various trips to Woodwork have been normal bodies, but oddly driven

I recall a conversation I had with JW, where he told me that he was sent the cars, less drivetrain and he fitted the engine & box himself. There are more in north America that have had conversions by their owners, than were made by John Wadman.

[intermediate]

Terminator said
"he was sent the cars, less drivetrain and he fitted the engine & box himself."
just like the Griffiths then, so the homologating is possible.

[taimar78]

Wayne,
I have some literature produced by Wadman on the 5000 Series cars. Most of his were on the M coupe or Taimar but he did at least one on the S convertible body. I'll find those and send you copies for your information.

Marshall

[V8TVR1978]

Hello All:
Thanks for all the input on this subject. The fellow TVR owner who asked me about any info that I may have to help him get homologation for the 5000Ms to race, is Jos Wymeersch in Belguim. His e-mail is [e-mail] and if you have info that might help him, then please send it to him. All info should be sent as it just might be the piece that does the trick to help him race and stay competitive with next years group of racers. It just might help keep the TVR name up and running for the next generation to follow.

Marshall: Once again I see you pop out of the woodwork ( No pun intented. ) and help. I owe you an e-mail about progress on the Spousal Units Taimar and I have questions about this years Woodwork. When I get to the jobsite later today I will send e-mail from truck.

Wayne/Sherry Leppard.

[TVR_owner]

V8TVR1978 said:

The fellow TVR owner who asked me about any info that I may have to help him get homologation for the 5000Ms to race, is Jos Wymeersch in Belguim.

[richard sails]

Hi Wayne

Thanks for the info you emailed on your cars, they sound very good fun. As far as I know the Wadman cars were delivered without engines or gearboxes (other than his original 2500M demonstrator).

[heightswitch]

Adrian@ said:

Richard....... are there records of which are the cars that were sent out to be done.
Adrian

Marshall.
You are a bit closer than most of us to some of these cars. I think it would be a pretty good idea to do a feature on them in Sprint magazine.
Its not often our Adrian is lost for info on an M derivetive

N.

[Slow M]

richard sails said:

Hi Wayne

Thanks for the info you emailed on your cars, they sound very good fun. As far as I know the Wadman cars were delivered without engines or gearboxes (other than his original 2500M demonstrator).

Richard,
I am confused. I have John's original(first) 2500M demonstrator. It sported a 6 cylinder engine until I started the slowest conversion ever a few years ago.
I know that John received numerous V6 and I6 M series cars as well as some without eng/trans. Are you saying that he used a 2500M demonstrator for the basis of his first 5000M?
Also, in subsequent years, some owners asked John and Doug to convert their existing cars to 5000M spec. In addition, John built one 5000M for himself. It was a gorgeous black machine and, if I remember correctly, was sold to Sweden even before it was completed.
B.

[V8TVR1978]

Richard,
I am confused. I have John's original(first) 2500M demonstrator. It sported a 6 cylinder engine until I started the slowest conversion ever a few years ago.
I know that John received numerous V6 and I6 M series cars as well as some without eng/trans. Are you saying that he used a 2500M demonstrator for the basis of his first 5000M?
Also, in subsequent years, some owners asked John and Doug to convert their existing cars to 5000M spec. In addition, John built one 5000M for himself. It was a gorgeous black machine and, if I remember correctly, was sold to Sweden even before it was completed.


Yes the black beauty as I was told by Doug did go to Sweden. I have heard from another source that it was the car featured in the famous accident article with the truck but I have never had that confirmed by Doug or John. It is one of the questions that I plan to ask down the road as I have plans to do a poster about the V8 TVRs and will include it and The Pumpkin along with our 2 V8 Taimars and any others that we can get info on.