If TVR went bust
Discussion
On component reliability: unlike, eg, Toyota, unfortunately TVR don't quite have the clout, at their scale, to line up their suppliers and say, sort it out or we'll take our business elsewhere ... most of them would probably breath a sigh of relief.
(credit where it's due: this (approximate) comment was first applied to Aston Martin by its then new MD whose name I can't remember)
(credit where it's due: this (approximate) comment was first applied to Aston Martin by its then new MD whose name I can't remember)
Mike. quote:
Well Rob, that makes me an idiot. I owned a '98 Griff 500 for less than a year and sold it. I could have continued to own it, but I was horrified every time I got into to find something else went wrong with it. (not just trivial shite either, engine rebuild, suspension rebuild etc etc). Overall cost for a year's ownership was 16k. I was looking forward to many years of ownership and pleasure but the bills it came back with were stratospheric.
Well a p, I think he was referring to new cars, not s/hand as I think your Griff was. It's bad that you had all that trouble in one year's ownership, but did you take the precautions that some owners do before buying secondhand? If not, then perhaps you should have done. Costs can get out of all proportion when running TVRs, but by your choice of purchase you give yourself a fighting chance of keeping them manageable. Didn't you get a warranty??
Also:
now the TVR v Porsche threads have long gone with Bennnnnnno buying a Ferrari, please don't turn this into one of many TVR v Ferrari threads.
"now the TVR v Porsche threads have long gone with Bennnnnnno buying a Ferrari, please don't turn this into one of many TVR v Ferrari threads. "
not guilty... as below i understand the rules of gassing only too well :
1) You may only mention Porsche if it includes the word boring, commonplace or dull
2) You may only mention Ferrari in the context of 'my tvr is as fast as a f360 etc'
3) or in the context of 'i saw a tw*t in a 360 / 996 etc...'
wont catch me out
Bennno
not guilty... as below i understand the rules of gassing only too well :
1) You may only mention Porsche if it includes the word boring, commonplace or dull
2) You may only mention Ferrari in the context of 'my tvr is as fast as a f360 etc'
3) or in the context of 'i saw a tw*t in a 360 / 996 etc...'
wont catch me out
Bennno
It was lively, wasn't it?
So, I deduce (if TVR went bust):
1. TVR is too low volume and needs too much money spending on it to be a viable takeover. It needs a motoring die hard with more money than sense.
2. Don't buy a Tuscan or Cerbera because, if there's no buyer, there won't be anyone to fix them (I can't afford a newer one which may be more reliable). Wait a few years for the Tamora to prove itself but if it does I would not be able to afford one on the basis of point 3.
3. Keep my Chimaera because it is bullet proof, has never let me down and does the performance business anyway. On the basis of this it may well appreciate too if, assuming point 1, no more TVRs were built.
So, I deduce (if TVR went bust):
1. TVR is too low volume and needs too much money spending on it to be a viable takeover. It needs a motoring die hard with more money than sense.
2. Don't buy a Tuscan or Cerbera because, if there's no buyer, there won't be anyone to fix them (I can't afford a newer one which may be more reliable). Wait a few years for the Tamora to prove itself but if it does I would not be able to afford one on the basis of point 3.
3. Keep my Chimaera because it is bullet proof, has never let me down and does the performance business anyway. On the basis of this it may well appreciate too if, assuming point 1, no more TVRs were built.
quote:
please don't turn this into one of many TVR v Ferrari threads. "
Oh go on. The TVR v Porsche ones were a right laugh.
Lots of fine people who should have known better enjoying themselves having a jolly good argument. 
Me I loved it. (Standing back and having a good snigger etc etc) For a TVR v Ferrari thread you might consider the question:
Is one Ferrari more reliable than two TVRs. They cost the same....
(Lights blue touch paper. Stands back.)
Mel
This LCD approach is killing industry in this country, and its always the fresh from Uni grads with an MBA who ram this crap down peoples necks. De-skill, procedurise everything, make it so some nonce in a bus queue could pick the job up.
When will people realise that the inherent worth of any company is its people, and their worth is their skills? Unfortunately, the egg heads in academia brain washing with this crap don't see the consequences - neither do the companies that implement it until its too late. Bye bye Brum, hello Xiamen.
Sorry, this so so way off topic, but it makes me weep what the current generation of management is doing to this country. What an ambition, to be as mundane and ordinary as everyone else. That's really what made this country Great in the first place, isn't it?
quote:I knew it, I f***ng knew it!
Only problem with having "specialists" on a production is it leaves holes when people are sick, leave, promoted etc. The modern cliche in industry is "multi skilling" where jobs are not massively technical such as production, "Jack of all trades" sounds like a bunch of bodgers but if it's done properly is the most efficient way with every one doing a process in the same manner. Shit listen to me guess who's not long done his MBA.
This LCD approach is killing industry in this country, and its always the fresh from Uni grads with an MBA who ram this crap down peoples necks. De-skill, procedurise everything, make it so some nonce in a bus queue could pick the job up.
When will people realise that the inherent worth of any company is its people, and their worth is their skills? Unfortunately, the egg heads in academia brain washing with this crap don't see the consequences - neither do the companies that implement it until its too late. Bye bye Brum, hello Xiamen.
Sorry, this so so way off topic, but it makes me weep what the current generation of management is doing to this country. What an ambition, to be as mundane and ordinary as everyone else. That's really what made this country Great in the first place, isn't it?
quote:
Only problem with having "specialists" on a production is it leaves holes when people are sick, leave, promoted etc. The modern cliche in industry is "multi skilling" where jobs are not massively technical such as production, "Jack of all trades" sounds like a bunch of bodgers but if it's done properly is the most efficient way with every one doing a process in the same manner. Shit listen to me guess who's not long done his MBA.
Er yes but it takes months to make a TVR...surely this approach is fine if you are building a vectra with a robot, but we are nearer hand beating the panels on an aston here. MBA = Master of Bugger All
I would have thought that a lot of the people on the TVR production line would be quite flexible, far more so than the type that build mudaneos. Also because of the nature of TVRs it would be quite easy for different people to do different jobs (within reason I'm not suggesting that Bill in the paint shop could work on the wiring, but he could probably help with the fibreglass finishing).
I've just been poking round Castle TVR and I must say the fit and finish of the newer cars is pretty good.
Stupidly I took a 4.5 Cerbera out...I want one..NOW.
I've just been poking round Castle TVR and I must say the fit and finish of the newer cars is pretty good.
Stupidly I took a 4.5 Cerbera out...I want one..NOW.
One poster wrote:
just one....'so why didnt you buy a boxster'
Another wrote:
clearly because they're tooooo cheap to run (ergo a hairdressers car) - couldn't be doing with that could we TVR fans?
In my experience, if the main criticism of a car is merely
that "it's a hairdressers car", then there can't be much wrong with it. I can think of
Toyota MR2 Mark 1
&
Mazda MX5 Mark 1
both fine cars, plenty fast enough for UK roads, and both
labelled with the "hairdresser" comment.
just one....'so why didnt you buy a boxster'
Another wrote:
clearly because they're tooooo cheap to run (ergo a hairdressers car
) - couldn't be doing with that could we TVR fans? In my experience, if the main criticism of a car is merely
that "it's a hairdressers car", then there can't be much wrong with it. I can think of
Toyota MR2 Mark 1
&
Mazda MX5 Mark 1
both fine cars, plenty fast enough for UK roads, and both
labelled with the "hairdresser" comment.
quote:
This LCD approach is killing industry in this country, and its always the fresh from Uni grads with an MBA who ram this crap down peoples necks. De-skill, procedurise everything, make it so some nonce in a bus queue could pick the job up.
When will people realise that the inherent worth of any company is its people, and their worth is their skills? Unfortunately, the egg heads in academia brain washing with this crap don't see the consequences - neither do the companies that implement it until its too late. Bye bye Brum, hello Xiamen.
Sorry, this so so way off topic, but it makes me weep what the current generation of management is doing to this country. What an ambition, to be as mundane and ordinary as everyone else. That's really what made this country Great in the first place, isn't it?
I really wouldn't blame the frailty of management in British industry on an educational process. As you already said the company's worth is in its people, which includes managers and workers alike. If the management are foolish enough to buy Demming's premise of process decomposition and skill-opacity out of context (it does have its applications in some industry segments) without considering the complexity of their own system and their firms' institutionalised knowledge then they deserve to end up with second-rate products, dis-interested staff and pissed-off shareholders.
I battled this sort of myopism in British Manufacturing for too long, so I went to Business School, got an MBA and moved into Banking. Are management more enlightened here? No, but they pay me enough not to care...
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