Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
I look forward to reading about what the new M135i is like on summer tyres as soon as it snows.
I have to agree with a couple of earlier posts about the 7degC crossover point. I too think it's lower than that although not by a massive amount. We've not really had any proper snow here yet either but on the cooler mornings around 0degC where the road has that sparkly sheen on it the winters have definately been stickier than summers would have been based upon 4 full years in that car on the same make/model of summer tyres (tyres renewed, obviously, but bought the same again) throughout.
My reasons for buying winter tyres were primarily stopping distance driven. I want to give myself the best possible chance at avoiding trouble which has a tendency to not always be forseeable or within your own control.
There's nothing worse than the brake pedal vibrating under your right foot while the car just carries on regardless as you see someone locked up converging on you from a side road clearly about to overshoot the junction and obstruct your path.
Being stuck is fine - at least you won't end up with your face in an airbag. Not being able to get rid of even modest speed is bad - very bad.
I have to agree with a couple of earlier posts about the 7degC crossover point. I too think it's lower than that although not by a massive amount. We've not really had any proper snow here yet either but on the cooler mornings around 0degC where the road has that sparkly sheen on it the winters have definately been stickier than summers would have been based upon 4 full years in that car on the same make/model of summer tyres (tyres renewed, obviously, but bought the same again) throughout.
My reasons for buying winter tyres were primarily stopping distance driven. I want to give myself the best possible chance at avoiding trouble which has a tendency to not always be forseeable or within your own control.
There's nothing worse than the brake pedal vibrating under your right foot while the car just carries on regardless as you see someone locked up converging on you from a side road clearly about to overshoot the junction and obstruct your path.
Being stuck is fine - at least you won't end up with your face in an airbag. Not being able to get rid of even modest speed is bad - very bad.
Vladimir said:
Your attempts at patronising me are laughable. The link isn't a report, it's a new article. Do you know the difference?
The NEWS ARTICLE references four cases with similar circumstances. Do you have any proof that the NZ Winter tyre market is negligible? Have you even been there before and driven 100s of miles in snow like I have? In a Japanese import.
You are pulling a very common and rather pathetic PH technique that quickly silences most but to anyone with half a brain, it reveals a barrage of vacuous nonsense aimed at trying to impress others. You have no clue, especially living in the Thames Valley with a VW Polo and no experience of driving a RWD car with Winters. I'm sure you'll want the last word though.
Actually it's an old article The NEWS ARTICLE references four cases with similar circumstances. Do you have any proof that the NZ Winter tyre market is negligible? Have you even been there before and driven 100s of miles in snow like I have? In a Japanese import.
You are pulling a very common and rather pathetic PH technique that quickly silences most but to anyone with half a brain, it reveals a barrage of vacuous nonsense aimed at trying to impress others. You have no clue, especially living in the Thames Valley with a VW Polo and no experience of driving a RWD car with Winters. I'm sure you'll want the last word though.
Edited by Vladimir on Tuesday 7th January 21:01
I take it you've been knocked back in your refund claim?
That report is laughable. I do know that the standard of driving in NZ is terrible and that the report contains absolutely no meaningful evidence or information about the relevance of the winter tyres.
Guys I said it's an interesting article; doesn't mean I agree with it. The only things I defended was a few background points and the fact I have driven in NZ in snow in a Jap import. And had Winters on a RWD car.
Oh and it looks like I will get a refund; I'm happy to try another brand at some stage.
Oh and it looks like I will get a refund; I'm happy to try another brand at some stage.
Vladimir said:
Your attempts at patronising me are laughable. The link isn't a report, it's a new article. Do you know the difference?
The NEWS ARTICLE references four cases with similar circumstances. Do you have any proof that the NZ Winter tyre market is negligible? Have you even been there before and driven 100s of miles in snow like I have? In a Japanese import.
You are pulling a very common and rather pathetic PH technique that quickly silences most but to anyone with half a brain, it reveals a barrage of vacuous nonsense aimed at trying to impress others. You have no clue, especially living in the Thames Valley with a VW Polo and no experience of driving a RWD car with Winters. I'm sure you'll want the last word though.
Crikey, you have got your tights in a tangle haven't you?The NEWS ARTICLE references four cases with similar circumstances. Do you have any proof that the NZ Winter tyre market is negligible? Have you even been there before and driven 100s of miles in snow like I have? In a Japanese import.
You are pulling a very common and rather pathetic PH technique that quickly silences most but to anyone with half a brain, it reveals a barrage of vacuous nonsense aimed at trying to impress others. You have no clue, especially living in the Thames Valley with a VW Polo and no experience of driving a RWD car with Winters. I'm sure you'll want the last word though.
Edited by Vladimir on Tuesday 7th January 21:01
You're still not getting this whole "jap import" thing are you? It was a reference to the potential age of the vehicle and therefore the potential age of the tyres on it. That's all. "Potential" because that report/news article (there is no difference) contained insufficient information to form any opinion.
As to the whole barrage of assumptions you made about my experience, I have been running winter tyres in the UK for over 10 years now on a whole variety of vehicles (I've only had the Polo for 2 months) I visit the Alps twice a year, snow and ice in the Chilterns is quite common, and I've driven on winter tyres in temps of 40c and they were ok, not optimal, but safe enough; so, a bit more than - tried one brand for a couple of hundred miles, didn't like them, got a refund.
As I've said elsewhere on this thread - I really don't care whether others use winters or not as long as they stay out of my way when it's icy/snowy, but to pretend that winter tyres are dangerous because you couldn't come to terms with them and one provincial coroner in NZ came up with a dubious judgement based on one case of someone using second-hand tyres of unknown age and provenance on one axle only is plain silly.
Winter tyres have been a godsend the last few years. This year I wish I'd not bothered and saved myself £634, however saying that I wasn't to know it would be the mildest winter I can remember.
The weather isn't going to change this month IMO and I doubt it's going to suddenly get colder in Feb either.
I haven't seen a frost thes winter - all we've had is claggy damp/pissing rain.
The weather isn't going to change this month IMO and I doubt it's going to suddenly get colder in Feb either.
I haven't seen a frost thes winter - all we've had is claggy damp/pissing rain.
I forgot to add - I bought my first set as:
a) the snow was really bad that year (4 years ago) and
b) we were driving to the Alps for a skiing holiday.
That said, by brother in law decided to make do with brand new summer tyres on his car (FWD A4) and a se4t of snow chains. And he had no bother as the roads in the resort were all pretty much cleared.
a) the snow was really bad that year (4 years ago) and
b) we were driving to the Alps for a skiing holiday.
That said, by brother in law decided to make do with brand new summer tyres on his car (FWD A4) and a se4t of snow chains. And he had no bother as the roads in the resort were all pretty much cleared.
HustleRussell said:
Were they found to be faulty, or was it just you/your wife's driving?
It's not done yet but basically they are unsuitable for the car. That doesn't mean they won't work on many/most cars.I really wouldn't have made a fuss unless we felt strongly about it; no point at all.
Happy to get a credit for the next set of tyres.
Anyway, the new car has arrived and tyre bills may ride sharply...!
Oh I spent a month in the Alps on Summer tyres in a Saxo; no problems (except for me bricking myself on the Alpe d'Huez hairpins...).
rambo19 said:
Skinley said:
I've driven literally hundreds of vehicles throughout the last twenty five winters, none of them have been equipped with winter tyres, I'm not dead and I have no incidents to report.
Same here.Just a quick search of my local paper and it is far too early to say they are not needed this winter.
http://www.dorkingandleatherheadadvertiser.co.uk/s...
Indeed last Saturday at 05:00 I drove through a patch of black ice on the A25 between Dorking and Guildford.
Car twitched a lot, but with winter tyres on, I managed to just drive through it.
On the way home, bits of broken plastic evident and large triangular ICE warning signs.
So someone was not so lucky that day.
Next morning it was +11.5 DegC at the same time of day on way to work!
rambo19 said:
Skinley said:
I've driven literally hundreds of vehicles throughout the last twenty five winters, none of them have been equipped with winter tyres, I'm not dead and I have no incidents to report.
Same here.I'll stick with winter tyres
Dog Star said:
Winter tyres have been a godsend the last few years. This year I wish I'd not bothered and saved myself £634, however saying that I wasn't to know it would be the mildest winter I can remember.
The weather isn't going to change this month IMO and I doubt it's going to suddenly get colder in Feb either.
I haven't seen a frost thes winter - all we've had is claggy damp/pissing rain.
Winter isn't over yet, we had frost into April last year.The weather isn't going to change this month IMO and I doubt it's going to suddenly get colder in Feb either.
I haven't seen a frost thes winter - all we've had is claggy damp/pissing rain.
People seem to think winter tyres automatically means snow tyres. Winter tyres are undoubtedly better in either cold, wet or snow conditions.
Many of us never get near or need the ultimate on the limit grip of "normal" tyres but will regularly get some benefit from winters ( standing water is just one example).
As F1 teams know, you need to be on the correct tyres for the conditions at the time, Nov through March on a road car this will be winters on most days.
Zdw
rambo19 said:
Skinley said:
I've driven literally hundreds of vehicles throughout the last twenty five winters, none of them have been equipped with winter tyres, I'm not dead and I have no incidents to report.
Same here.Perhaps you are a better driver than I. Perhaps you are a luckier one. Perhaps your experience is as meaningless as mine is when making sweeping generalisations about the need, or otherwise, for winter tyres.
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