Winter tyres vol 2

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SAS Tom

3,409 posts

175 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Will that go against you? He was flying and clearly out of control.

The only thing I guess could be said is that you were going too fast to stop but even if you had he would still have hit you.

lemonslap

964 posts

156 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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SAS Tom said:
Will that go against you? He was flying and clearly out of control.

The only thing I guess could be said is that you were going too fast to stop but even if you had he would still have hit you.
Not sure yet, have submitted the footage to our insurance company, the recording we have has great detail (unlike once uploaded to youtube, speed was 22mph at impact). The only the rear of his hit ours as he lost control of it, he then stuck the van into a hedge damaging his front N/S wheel and bumper. Other driver is claiming 50/50. Real shame car as our car is worth nothing really but has been lovingly maintained.


Edited by lemonslap on Monday 18th December 15:19

Patrick Bateman

12,190 posts

175 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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A timely reminder to leave plenty of space. Coming in to Glasgow yesterday the spray and surface water on the road was pretty bad, still amazes me how close some people sit to the car in front.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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lemonslap said:
speed was 22mph at impact
Your speed looks quite a lot slower than that to me; after the actual impact you come to a stop in under 2 seconds on a wet and muddy road.

lemonslap

964 posts

156 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
Your speed looks quite a lot slower than that to me; after the actual impact you come to a stop in under 2 seconds on a wet and muddy road.
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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lemonslap said:
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.
yes GPS speed values generally lag a bit.

Bill

52,835 posts

256 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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I live down a lane like that and while you could have been going a bit slower he really didn't give you a chance. It should have been a near miss with some hedge rash imo.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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lemonslap said:
Mr2Mike said:
Your speed looks quite a lot slower than that to me; after the actual impact you come to a stop in under 2 seconds on a wet and muddy road.
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.
Well it looked alright to me, FWIW. If you follow Roadcraft, you should always be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear. From your dashcam viewpoint it looks as though you would have stopped on the stretch that was clear; you're not psychic, and there's always a limit to how much you can mitigate the driving of others.

Good luck.



General driving question for the PH driving gods: any tricks for driving on snow with a DSG box? Of my repertoire of tricks to get going and stop in the snow, most involve greater gear control than the DSG allows. I decided not to risk it in the most recent lot. I'm open to any tips though.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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lemonslap said:
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.
Do the insurance company even give a F? As long as they're not getting bummed by one of those accident specialists they just see it as a paperwork exercise below some threshold of say a grand or 2 and therefore not worth investing any time in.

lemonslap

964 posts

156 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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ATM said:
lemonslap said:
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.
Do the insurance company even give a F? As long as they're not getting bummed by one of those accident specialists they just see it as a paperwork exercise below some threshold of say a grand or 2 and therefore not worth investing any time in.
They may not care but I do! The insurance excess is hard to swallow and I don't think a 50/50 split of liability is fair, of course my opinion is biased hence asking here..

Nine-Eighty-Six

74 posts

77 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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tenohfive said:
General driving question for the PH driving gods: any tricks for driving on snow with a DSG box? Of my repertoire of tricks to get going and stop in the snow, most involve greater gear control than the DSG allows. I decided not to risk it in the most recent lot. I'm open to any tips though.
A DSG box is just a manual box with twin automated clutch packs. Use of gears is no different - if anything, the DSG clutches will operate much more smoothly than any person could operate one.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Nine-Eighty-Six said:
tenohfive said:
General driving question for the PH driving gods: any tricks for driving on snow with a DSG box? Of my repertoire of tricks to get going and stop in the snow, most involve greater gear control than the DSG allows. I decided not to risk it in the most recent lot. I'm open to any tips though.
A DSG box is just a manual box with twin automated clutch packs. Use of gears is no different - if anything, the DSG clutches will operate much more smoothly than any person could operate one.
Well you can't pull away in second for a start (I've tried, it won't let you select it.) And I'm not sure how I'd replicate using the biting point of first gear as a fairly dramatic engine braking tool, although I'm game to give that a go next time I take it out.

Nine-Eighty-Six

74 posts

77 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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tenohfive said:
Well you can't pull away in second for a start (I've tried, it won't let you select it.) And I'm not sure how I'd replicate using the biting point of first gear as a fairly dramatic engine braking tool, although I'm game to give that a go next time I take it out.
I had a Mk6 Golf with the dry clutch DSG box - that would pull away in 2nd more often than not.

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Nine-Eighty-Six said:
tenohfive said:
Well you can't pull away in second for a start (I've tried, it won't let you select it.) And I'm not sure how I'd replicate using the biting point of first gear as a fairly dramatic engine braking tool, although I'm game to give that a go next time I take it out.
I had a Mk6 Golf with the dry clutch DSG box - that would pull away in 2nd more often than not.
I'm surprised if it won't let you pull away in 2nd, certainly Powershift boxes permit that.

Thinking a bit more, all the ones I have tried were wet clutch, if the dry clutch versions don't permit it yet another reason to avoid.

Wills2

22,893 posts

176 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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tenohfive said:
Nine-Eighty-Six said:
tenohfive said:
General driving question for the PH driving gods: any tricks for driving on snow with a DSG box? Of my repertoire of tricks to get going and stop in the snow, most involve greater gear control than the DSG allows. I decided not to risk it in the most recent lot. I'm open to any tips though.
A DSG box is just a manual box with twin automated clutch packs. Use of gears is no different - if anything, the DSG clutches will operate much more smoothly than any person could operate one.
Well you can't pull away in second for a start (I've tried, it won't let you select it.) And I'm not sure how I'd replicate using the biting point of first gear as a fairly dramatic engine braking tool, although I'm game to give that a go next time I take it out.
Plenty of dual clutch boxes allow you to pull away in 2nd, you need a decent engine attached to it....


Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

234 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Hugo a Gogo said:
Heavy snow today in a car with some far-too-old conti all-seasons, absolutely awful, like being on bald summers. More fool me
vredestein snowtracs on now, bit of snow for them this morning, luvvly jubbly

tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Wills2 said:
tenohfive said:
Nine-Eighty-Six said:
tenohfive said:
General driving question for the PH driving gods: any tricks for driving on snow with a DSG box? Of my repertoire of tricks to get going and stop in the snow, most involve greater gear control than the DSG allows. I decided not to risk it in the most recent lot. I'm open to any tips though.
A DSG box is just a manual box with twin automated clutch packs. Use of gears is no different - if anything, the DSG clutches will operate much more smoothly than any person could operate one.
Well you can't pull away in second for a start (I've tried, it won't let you select it.) And I'm not sure how I'd replicate using the biting point of first gear as a fairly dramatic engine braking tool, although I'm game to give that a go next time I take it out.
Plenty of dual clutch boxes allow you to pull away in 2nd, you need a decent engine attached to it....

Cheers for that helpful comment. I'm not sure why engine choice comes into it when manual mode won't let me select second, but as ever the PH gods clearly work in mysterious ways...

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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lemonslap said:
ATM said:
lemonslap said:
Was going by the dashcam speed, but maybe it was slow to update? It will be interesting to see which way our insurance company goes with it.
Do the insurance company even give a F? As long as they're not getting bummed by one of those accident specialists they just see it as a paperwork exercise below some threshold of say a grand or 2 and therefore not worth investing any time in.
They may not care but I do! The insurance excess is hard to swallow and I don't think a 50/50 split of liability is fair, of course my opinion is biased hence asking here..
I get that but i think the insurance company only care about their interests or needs. I dont see yours being the same as theirs unfortunately.

cptsideways

13,551 posts

253 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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For those with vans

Mighty impressed with the Falken Eurowinters I stuck on my Boxer campervan before my trip up into the Cairngorms/Glencoe/Trossachs last week with all that snow. No problems at all on all the snow routes & backroads with many inches in places. I did not find a hill steep enough it could not manage without any bother at all. I thought 3 ton of fwd might struggle a bit but nothing of the sort.

On its previous ditchfinders it struggled to get out of our almost flat car park at home!

This was in Glencoe after it dumped, ski'd to the door biggrin


SAS Tom

3,409 posts

175 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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Eurowinters are good on cars too. This is my second winter with them on my Fabia. They are nicer than the Dunlop Sportmaxx’s that are used in summer. Quieter, more comfortable and plenty of grip. They are pretty understeery above 10 degrees but below they grip really well. No real fuel economy penalty either.