Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
Just noticed my wife's car (Merc E320) needs two new tyres. I'm a previous convert to winter tyres, so that's easy...had a look at Auto Express and Hankook i*cept evo² came out well and come in the size I need.
Anyway, they're a good price on Mytyres, but two variants are offered: Hankook i*cept evo² (W320) 245/45 R17 99V XL at £158 each or Hankook i*cept evo² (W320) 245/45 R17 99V XL 4PR SBL at £142.
SBL apparently means Serrated Black Letters and just relates to the lettering on the sidewall; no idea what the 4PR means. I did call the helpdesk, but didnt get an answer I've got confidence in!
So anyone know what SBP and 4PR actually means and why they £16 cheaper for apparently an identical tyre?
Anyway, they're a good price on Mytyres, but two variants are offered: Hankook i*cept evo² (W320) 245/45 R17 99V XL at £158 each or Hankook i*cept evo² (W320) 245/45 R17 99V XL 4PR SBL at £142.
SBL apparently means Serrated Black Letters and just relates to the lettering on the sidewall; no idea what the 4PR means. I did call the helpdesk, but didnt get an answer I've got confidence in!
So anyone know what SBP and 4PR actually means and why they £16 cheaper for apparently an identical tyre?
Edited by dorset_clive on Monday 15th October 13:35
dorset_clive said:
Watchman said:
Having sold our E-class, I am now in the process of trying to sell the winter tyres left over from the 2-months it ran on them. Chap collected one pair this morning. Four more to go...
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In Germany you unfortunately need TÜV approval for pretty much any change on a car. Of course that includes any non OEM rim/tyre combinations. So alll the aftermarket alloy vendors need to provide technical expertises to prove compatibility. Some combos are a bit outside the ultra-safe parameters laid out by TÜV so you have to get them approved in person. But many have a so called ABE or ECE homologation -- and that means you can pretty much treat them like OEM wheels.
Now the upside to this: all the major web shops for wheels over here allow you to search for specific car fitments + for e.g. ABE wheels. Unfortunately haven't found anything available in English. But here's a results page for the 123d 5 door: https://bit.ly/2ODGz2l . Only ECE stuff, so the most compatible there is...
Now the upside to this: all the major web shops for wheels over here allow you to search for specific car fitments + for e.g. ABE wheels. Unfortunately haven't found anything available in English. But here's a results page for the 123d 5 door: https://bit.ly/2ODGz2l . Only ECE stuff, so the most compatible there is...
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Yet - my neighbour has not been so fortunate.
Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
Look on the door pillar sticker for tyre pressures. That should give the correct size. It will be marked "M+S". Even though the standard summer wheels are staggered, it is unlikely the winters will be. But like you say, it's important they fit over the brakes. Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
Some of the tyre websites let you stick the reg or VIN in, so that might help too.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Yet - my neighbour has not been so fortunate.
Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
Yep, I've got to fit alloys on my 4 series if I want winter wheels - plus I've got the upgraded brake kit so I need extra clearance.Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
Been looking at these guys : https://www.mrwinterwheels.co.uk
Might be worth having a look there. Seem pretty reasonable.
For mine there's not much difference in price between putting winter tyres on the existing staggered 19s or buying a whole new set of 18s with winter tyres on.
I think there's about £200 in it ... For that I'd rather just have a separate set I can swap out and potentially sell again when the car goes.
Plus it means I'm not so precious about them if I slide into a kerb in the snow :-)
I think there's about £200 in it ... For that I'd rather just have a separate set I can swap out and potentially sell again when the car goes.
Plus it means I'm not so precious about them if I slide into a kerb in the snow :-)
Finally bought my first set of winters. Moving from a 4wd Focus to a C63, I thought it best. I got stuck in Germany a few years ago in my M3 and it was eye opening.
Picked up a set of OEM 18s already wrapped in some new winter Dunlops last week.
Just need to wait for the temperature to drop a little more.
Picked up a set of OEM 18s already wrapped in some new winter Dunlops last week.
Just need to wait for the temperature to drop a little more.
I'm still undecided on what all-seasons to go for, I keep procrastinating, reading various reviews and going back to square one - undecided.
With it being 5'C this morning, my current ditchfinders (came with the car I hasten to repeatedly add) were very skittish. To be fair their s
te in the dry as well, it really is crunch time, I'm going for the Bridgestones, no wait the Goodyears, no wait the Michelins, gah!
With it being 5'C this morning, my current ditchfinders (came with the car I hasten to repeatedly add) were very skittish. To be fair their s
te in the dry as well, it really is crunch time, I'm going for the Bridgestones, no wait the Goodyears, no wait the Michelins, gah!anarki said:
I'm still undecided on what all-seasons to go for, I keep procrastinating, reading various reviews and going back to square one - undecided.
With it being 5'C this morning, my current ditchfinders (came with the car I hasten to repeatedly add) were very skittish. To be fair their ste in the dry as well, it really is crunch time, I'm going for the Bridgestones, no wait the Goodyears, no wait the Michelins, gah!
Tricky isn't it? Just had the same thing deciding on some for my Mum's car. Went for the Goodyears as she lives in North Yorkshire so I wanted something more wet/winter biased than the Michelins.With it being 5'C this morning, my current ditchfinders (came with the car I hasten to repeatedly add) were very skittish. To be fair their s
te in the dry as well, it really is crunch time, I'm going for the Bridgestones, no wait the Goodyears, no wait the Michelins, gah!Have you watched this review? It might help you get your head round it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe-gkTCOs7E&t=...
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Yet - my neighbour has not been so fortunate.
Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
On my old 123D I used e46 M3 17" sundial (?) alloys as my winter wheels. I found a set cheap on ebay and fitted them with staggered fit Nokian WR3s tyres. I went with the M3 sundial stock tyres sizes though in hindsight a squarer tyre setup would have probably help rear traction (maybe) . Having moved out her to the sticks of North Yorkshire I sold him how having winters are great.
He has an M5 but thought a set for the wife 1 series would be a good shout.
We found a set of BMW steelies / winter combo on ebay and he tried to fit yesterday.
Backs went on fine, fronts fitted but wouldn't turn - fouling 'just' on the front callipers. Odd.
So it appears the 123d has slightly bigger brakes up front and the wheels / tyres are not suitable
a - that means there is a set in the shed here in North Yorkshire
b - it also appears thew 123d MUST have Alloys fitted, and the tyrres are different front to back.
A right buggers muddle.
Buying some more BMW wheels tyres from the main dealer is crackers expensive.
Getting a set of Alloys and a set of Winters (different front to back) sounds convoluted,,,
Anyone else got experience in this ?
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