Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
RicksAlfas said:
You want some SUV All Seasons! Read here:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-Auto-Bil...
Only two A/T tyres in that line up, the Yokos and GGs? Shod with those you'll get out of a ditch/field/get over a grass verge going round a truck stuck in snow, in the others you won't. I guess the rolling resistance of those two will result in lower mpg though.http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-Auto-Bil...
popeyewhite said:
Only two A/T tyres in that line up, the Yokos and GGs? Shod with those you'll get out of a ditch/field/get over a grass verge going round a truck stuck in snow, in the others you won't. I guess the rolling resistance of those two will result in lower mpg though.
It depends if you need off road ability doesn't it? I got the impression the OP didn't, and looking at the performance of the AT tyres for all activities other than off road driving I would rather have the All Seasons. Look at the wet braking distance on the GGs for instance... 19.5 metres more than the Michelin. Very tricky to find one tyre to do everything. All you can do is bias it towards what you think you might need.
RicksAlfas said:
It depends if you need off road ability doesn't it? I got the impression the OP didn't, and looking at the performance of the AT tyres for all activities other than off road driving I would rather have the All Seasons. Look at the wet braking distance on the GGs for instance... 19.5 metres more than the Michelin.
Very tricky to find one tyre to do everything. All you can do is bias it towards what you think you might need.
Very tricky to find one tyre to do everything. All you can do is bias it towards what you think you might need.
Bonkers to get AT tyres unless you do a lot of off road.
The A/Ts were also the quietest, which makes me wonder how noisy the others were because my Yokos are quite 'moany' on the move.
Sometimes it's just knowing that if you have deep snow or have to go through mud you'll make it. Like the OP I'm near Manchester (High Peak), and we get lots of snow, fairly regularly.
Sometimes it's just knowing that if you have deep snow or have to go through mud you'll make it. Like the OP I'm near Manchester (High Peak), and we get lots of snow, fairly regularly.
popeyewhite said:
The A/Ts were also the quietest, which makes me wonder how noisy the others were because my Yokos are quite 'moany' on the move.
Sometimes it's just knowing that if you have deep snow or have to go through mud you'll make it. Like the OP I'm near Manchester (High Peak), and we get lots of snow, fairly regularly.
Other side of Lancashire for me; up near the Forest of Bowland/Yorkshire Dales end. Weekends tend to involve either a drive along a motorway to Manchester City Centre/The Cotswolds to visit the In-Laws or along a single track road somewhere with the hound. Week days is generally a drive locally.Sometimes it's just knowing that if you have deep snow or have to go through mud you'll make it. Like the OP I'm near Manchester (High Peak), and we get lots of snow, fairly regularly.
Looking at it General Snow Grabber/Michelin Pilot thingys look alright, especially at c.£500 the set. As a fit and forget option, they look alright.
I've used ATs on road on a couple of Landies and they're fine right up until you need to brake hard. (Bear in mind that I never pushed the "handling"...) I didn't die in a fireball but there were a couple of occasions I can think of when a minor error was far more exciting than it should have been.
After a change of needs, I've stopped using two sets of wheels/tyres and gone for all seasons. Now in my 6th year of using them. Main vehicle used is a Freelander 2, it goes off road everyday, even Christmas day. OK it's not mud plugging, never the up to the axles deep goop so beloved of the beards, wellies and muddy overalls brigade, but principally farm and forest tracks, occasionally moorland tracks, off metalled roads anyway. Never had a problem once.
Yes, on grass and mud covered surface the all weathers don't grip as well as decent all terrain, but considering that most of my miles, 15,000 a year ish are on metalled roads, despite the daily off road bits, then the improved performance of all seasons over all terrain makes tgem the best choice for me.
If circumstances change and the off road parts get noticeably more gloopy then that view may alter towards running A/T, but for what the poster with the VW suggested doing 5,000 a year then you can imagine my suggestion. Of course someone may choose A/T for the chunky looks, bit of form over function imho.
Yes, on grass and mud covered surface the all weathers don't grip as well as decent all terrain, but considering that most of my miles, 15,000 a year ish are on metalled roads, despite the daily off road bits, then the improved performance of all seasons over all terrain makes tgem the best choice for me.
If circumstances change and the off road parts get noticeably more gloopy then that view may alter towards running A/T, but for what the poster with the VW suggested doing 5,000 a year then you can imagine my suggestion. Of course someone may choose A/T for the chunky looks, bit of form over function imho.
seiben said:
I imagine they'll be similar to the Zeta Antarcticas I had on an old Volvo V70 - absolutely fine for the car and the style of driving it gets.
Cheers, however missed them. My current dilemma is that I have several miles of untreated single track roads between me and the nearest main road... and whilst the weather can't decide what to do (5deg and hammering down yesterday / 12degree and sunny today) already the current Dunlop SportMaxx are getting rather slidey in the cold, wet, muddy conditions so as the temperature drops and the frost arrives, followed by the inevitable snow... I think they'll be crap. Plus I punctured one last week, currently rolling on an 'Autogrip' as a spare so need to buy a replacement but part of me thinks they were an ill advised choice thus cut my losses and change to decent all seasons... perhaps even full winters and set the SportMaxx aside till the spring. I don't drive fast, it's a diesel Volvo that batters around the countryside and does the odd motorway jaunt.
Any thoughts on Riken Snowtime... very cheap but reviews are reasonable. Would perhaps do a turn on a spare set of steelies. That or I give up on the SportMaxx and go with all seasons all year round.
This never used to be an issue...
Davie said:
Any thoughts on Riken Snowtime... very cheap but reviews are reasonable.
Like most cheap winter tyres, they're going to be pretty dreadful in the wet. In one test (2017 Auto Bild), from 80kph they stopped in 42.1m versus the 32.2m that the Pirelli Sottozero 3 managed: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-50-Winte...
Given the frequency with which we experience wet weather, it wouldn't be my first choice of tyre.
Good point, well made... on which note, cold and wet is the norm up here and moving ever closer to freezing temperatures so yes, would prefer a tyre more suited to those conditions than a full blown blizzard. Keep going back to all seasons over a bespoke winter tyre, just seems the better all rounder for the conditions, car and driver.
jagnet said:
The Dunlops can always be sold on to offset the cost of the all season tyres so the summer tyres needn't be a total loss if you do change to all seasons. Part worn tyres still sell well on eBay.
Part of the issue is I have three SportMaxx, nigh on new and one with a hole in the sidewall... so I either by a new one at £80 to complete the set again or cut my losses and buy four new all seasons, save the £80 and try and sell the three part worn SportMaxx. Man maths is failing me here! Davie said:
.....all seasons over a bespoke winter tyre, just seems the better all rounder for the conditions, car and driver.
This.The current generation of all-season tyres are so good as to render a full winter tyre redundant, at least in 99.9% of UK winter conditions.
One just needs to decide if conditions require a more snow-biased design like the Nokian Weatherproof, or a dry/wet design with some snow capability like the new Bridgestone 005.
Edited by Barchettaman on Friday 16th November 23:43
If the Dunlops are nearly new then you'll have no problems selling them on. I'd probably list two as a pair and one on its own. I've never not managed to sell my old tyres on eBay (even old budget ones at 3mm). If you don't mind posting them then they should sell pretty quickly unless they're a very unusual size. Buyer collects can take a bit longer to sell, but they will sell eventually.
Swapping to all season tyres now is an unwanted upfront cost, but no more so than getting a set of winters and you should get most of your money back on the Dunlops.
In your situation I'm not sure that I'd be inclined to go for a winter + summer set when all season tyres will be more than adequate for dealing with untreated roads in icy conditions, keep you going when it does snow and be perfectly capable in the summer for a non performance car.
Swapping to all season tyres now is an unwanted upfront cost, but no more so than getting a set of winters and you should get most of your money back on the Dunlops.
In your situation I'm not sure that I'd be inclined to go for a winter + summer set when all season tyres will be more than adequate for dealing with untreated roads in icy conditions, keep you going when it does snow and be perfectly capable in the summer for a non performance car.
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