Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
monthefish said:
Kawasicki said:
monthefish said:
Ron99 said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
Works both ways tbh. How about the people that think it's ok to drive on winter tyres in summer? That is something that the manufacturers definitely don't advise!
Ironically, I think winter tyres in summer are safer than summer tyres in winter.I think, to crash in summer on winter tyres, where tyre choice is a significant causal factor in the crash, you would have to be really going some.
Winter tyres in summer don't feel right, but I've never even been close to losing grip as a result. (not that I do this on a regular basis, but have experienced this situation)
On the other hand, in bad winter conditions it is easy to lose control at <30mph on summer tyres without pushing it particularly hard (where winter tyres would have prevented the loss of control).
Neither situation is optimum ('winters in summer', or 'summers in winter'), but 'winters in summer' is surely the lesser of two evils.
I'd still rather be on winter tyres in summer, than summer tyres in winter.
Would you rather the opposite?
Plus manufacturers don't recommend it. Not sure where you'd stand insurance wise if you were involved in a fatal accident. Worth thinking about....
https://www.continental-tires.com/car/tire-knowled...
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
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Just so we're clear, which of the following (less than optimal) scenarios do you believe to be safer/is the lesser of two evils?(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
monthefish said:
Just so we're clear, which of the following (less than optimal) scenarios do you believe to be safer/is the lesser of two evils?
(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
I've driven winter tyres in 20C dry conditions (a warm snap in spring). They were fine, comparable to a cheap summer tyre.(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
Summers in winter are not fun. Last winter I couldn't get across the crown of the road on summer tyres they had so little grip.
monthefish said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
stuff
Just so we're clear, which of the following (less than optimal) scenarios do you believe to be safer/is the lesser of two evils?(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
monthefish said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
stuff
Just so we're clear, which of the following (less than optimal) scenarios do you believe to be safer/is the lesser of two evils?(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
I'll give you two less than optimal choices:
(a) a summer day being tailgated by a car with Accelera summer tyres
(b) a summer day being tailgated by a car with Continental winter tyres
And another:
(a) driving a car with Accelera summer tyres on a wet motorway in summer
(b) driving a car with Continental winter tyres on a wet motorway in summer
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monthefish said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
stuff
Just so we're clear, which of the following (less than optimal) scenarios do you believe to be safer/is the lesser of two evils?(lets use your motorway example, say @ 60mph)
(a) Winter tyres on normal UK summer conditions (say a dry day, 20degC) .
(b) Summer tyres in a typical mid winters day (wet/icy roads, temp around freezing)
(a) or (b)?
(and just to reiterate, and I'm not advocating either one as sensible - I, myself, have two sets of wheels for my car and change them according to the season)
Anyway, I’d take summer tyres all year round in the UK....unless I really needed to be mobile the rare occasions that the roads become covered in snow, or if I lived in an area where there is a lot of snowfall.
Dry roads, interestingly, are more dangerous than wet roads.
Kawasicki said:
Dry roads, interestingly, are more dangerous than wet roads.
A week or two ago, some honest bloke called John (not jon- the tyre tester of this forum) wrote an article about winter tyres stating:'....you’re six times more likely to be involved in a collision in winter than in summer.....'
Kawasicki said:
By that measure, snow & ice are the safest - because it doesn't divide by the amount of time the roads are in that condition - it just says more accidents happen on dry roads than in snow.....It's a bit like saying most accidents involve sober drivers & concluding that it's therefore safer to be pissed.....
Kawasicki said:
Quick summary:1. In daylight about three quarters of accidents are reported to be on dry roads, the remainder on wet/icy roads.
2. In darkness it's only a little more than half of accidents on dry roads, almost half are on wet/icy roads.
3. About three quarters of accidents happen during daylight.
4. Whether day, night, wet or dry, about three quarters of accidents happen on built up roads.
Fact 4 above would imply three quarters of accidents occur at 30mph or less. But does stopping distance (or lack of) come into play in most of those 'city' / built-up-areas?
Oh - and a huge number of those 'urban' accidents involve cyclists or pedestrians.
Edited by Ron99 on Monday 25th November 19:31
BaldOldMan said:
Quite shocking how a cyclist or pedestrian is less at risk on a motorway
Not quite the context I meant.Most likely a lot of those cyclist accidents involved not having lights on the bike, jumping traffic lights, undertaking vehicles signalling left, or cars simply cutting them up on roundabouts and junctions.
I live near Cambridge and see this kind of thing all the time. In most cases the tyres on the vehicle would have made no difference because the driver was unaware of the cyclist or had decided to pull out in front of the cyclist.
Ron99 said:
Kawasicki said:
Quick summary:1. In daylight about three quarters of accidents are reported to be on dry roads, the remainder on wet/icy roads.
2. In darkness it's only a little more than half of accidents on dry roads, almost half are on wet/icy roads.
3. About three quarters of accidents happen during daylight.
4. Whether day, night, wet or dry, about three quarters of accidents happen on built up roads.
Fact 4 above would imply three quarters of accidents occur at 30mph or less. But does stopping distance (or lack of) come into play in most of those 'city' / built-up-areas?
Oh - and a huge number of those 'urban' accidents involve cyclists or pedestrians.
Edited by Ron99 on Monday 25th November 19:31
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