Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
NGRhodes said:
Great work. Do you have the location and temperature for the various tests? I’ve noticed that surface roughness also has an influence on ranking, particularly in the wet. A tyre that has good grip on smooth german surfaces, might not be the best on coarse chip surfaces... the temperature also seems to have more of an influence on smoother surfaces.Kawasicki said:
NGRhodes said:
Great work. Do you have the location and temperature for the various tests? I’ve noticed that surface roughness also has an influence on ranking, particularly in the wet. A tyre that has good grip on smooth german surfaces, might not be the best on coarse chip surfaces... the temperature also seems to have more of an influence on smoother surfaces.
NGRhodes said:
Kawasicki said:
NGRhodes said:
Great work. Do you have the location and temperature for the various tests? I’ve noticed that surface roughness also has an influence on ranking, particularly in the wet. A tyre that has good grip on smooth german surfaces, might not be the best on coarse chip surfaces... the temperature also seems to have more of an influence on smoother surfaces.Kawasicki said:
NGRhodes said:
Great work. Do you have the location and temperature for the various tests? I’ve noticed that surface roughness also has an influence on ranking, particularly in the wet. A tyre that has good grip on smooth german surfaces, might not be the best on coarse chip surfaces... the temperature also seems to have more of an influence on smoother surfaces.But I have long suspected that the worn surfaces of British roads give somewhat different results to official tests, with all season tyres being better all-rounders than the tests imply.
On British B roads and minor roads all season tyres seem to really benefit from the clawing effect of aggressive tread patterns and the softer rubber which better conforms to the rough/pitted surfaces.
I also wonder whether that's why the likes of Uniroyal Rainsport (quite grooved tread pattern) are popular on British roads despite them not being particularly impressive in magazine tests.
On the other hand, high-performance tyres which impress in magazine tests seem too smooth and hard for rough, cold, damp British roads so end up sliding and scrabbling all over the place.
I'm looking for a new set of winters in 185/65R15 for our old A Class. Snow/slush performance is the key. I live in an exposed location that never sees a gritter. I've had Hankook Winter ICept previously which performed excellently but they wore very quickly. Any thoughts on replacing them with Avon WT7s? They are staggeringly cheap at ATS at the moment.
Edited by blueST on Friday 2nd October 18:38
bolidemichael said:
Sounds a compelling enough reason to me... get 'em bought!
I probably will, but just wanted some reassurance they aren’t total junk. From the looks and what little info there is, they appear to be more snow biased than most, which might suit me. Do Avon have any sort of reputation or past form when it comes to making winters?blueST said:
I probably will, but just wanted some reassurance they aren’t total junk. From the looks and what little info there is, they appear to be more snow biased than most, which might suit me. Do Avon have any sort of reputation or past form when it comes to making winters?
Years ago their Ice Touring STs were quite popular. They never seemed to do well in tests but many users on this thread found them very capable in winter. No idea about the new ones.blueST said:
bolidemichael said:
Sounds a compelling enough reason to me... get 'em bought!
I probably will, but just wanted some reassurance they aren’t total junk. From the looks and what little info there is, they appear to be more snow biased than most, which might suit me. Do Avon have any sort of reputation or past form when it comes to making winters?If it helps, I've had Cross Climate+ on for over a year now. They are getting very noisy. As a day to day tyre, I don't really rate them. In a colder climate they might be ok, but I don't think we have the weather in the NW to see the benefit from them. Doubt I will buy all season tyres again.
Drive Blind said:
I've had to scrape my windscreen 4 mornings in the last week and the gritters have been out twice.
Winter wheels will be going back on in the next few weeks.
Where do you live out of interest? I'm in Essex and we haven't had a frost yet.Winter wheels will be going back on in the next few weeks.
This will be my 5th year running winters, man that's gone quickly! Last year I got separate wheels for my winters, identical to standard wheels and it was well worth the hassle. This year it's the matching TPMS valves which I had programmed up recently.
I've been using Dunlop WinterSport as they were the closest to Subaru's OEM Dunlop SportMaxx summer tyre. Turn in is not as crisp as it could be, so when these age out, I will try whatever Tyre Reviews comes up with as the best winter in my fitment.
Any recommendations for tyres for pickups?
I’ve just bought a Mitsubishi L200 that will need tyres reasonably soon as they’re a bit low for winter use.
I live near Aberdeen and will be using it for commuting as well as some mud/grass, so I’m looking for all seasons that have some off-road ability but aren’t horrible on road.
I’ve just bought a Mitsubishi L200 that will need tyres reasonably soon as they’re a bit low for winter use.
I live near Aberdeen and will be using it for commuting as well as some mud/grass, so I’m looking for all seasons that have some off-road ability but aren’t horrible on road.
Maybe these ? https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-lat...
No personal experience, but it looks like a good compromise for your use...
No personal experience, but it looks like a good compromise for your use...
Rich_AR said:
Nokian Hakkapeliitta studded tyres for my recently acquired WRX. Looking forward to trying these out in the snow and ice (and the WRX for that matter).
I went to Iceland a few years ago and hired a car with studded tyres. ( Volvo XC70). There had been a massive snowfall the day before we arrived and virtually all the roads were fully covered.It was like being in Ice Road Truckers. I was driving at about 50 whereas at home I’d be doing 20 in similar conditions even with winters ( not studded), then got overtaken by a bus sound about 70. On packed snow.
Ron99 said:
During the video Jon mentioned the dry/wet testing was in France at temperatures close to 30'C, comparable to what we would encounter on relatively warm summer days in the UK.
But I have long suspected that the worn surfaces of British roads give somewhat different results to official tests, with all season tyres being better all-rounders than the tests imply.
On British B roads and minor roads all season tyres seem to really benefit from the clawing effect of aggressive tread patterns and the softer rubber which better conforms to the rough/pitted surfaces.
I also wonder whether that's why the likes of Uniroyal Rainsport (quite grooved tread pattern) are popular on British roads despite them not being particularly impressive in magazine tests.
On the other hand, high-performance tyres which impress in magazine tests seem too smooth and hard for rough, cold, damp British roads so end up sliding and scrabbling all over the place.
Auto express and I think others use MIRA which duplicates British roads to validate their tests and get the same results. But I have long suspected that the worn surfaces of British roads give somewhat different results to official tests, with all season tyres being better all-rounders than the tests imply.
On British B roads and minor roads all season tyres seem to really benefit from the clawing effect of aggressive tread patterns and the softer rubber which better conforms to the rough/pitted surfaces.
I also wonder whether that's why the likes of Uniroyal Rainsport (quite grooved tread pattern) are popular on British roads despite them not being particularly impressive in magazine tests.
On the other hand, high-performance tyres which impress in magazine tests seem too smooth and hard for rough, cold, damp British roads so end up sliding and scrabbling all over the place.
Falconer said:
I went to Iceland a few years ago and hired a car with studded tyres. ( Volvo XC70). There had been a massive snowfall the day before we arrived and virtually all the roads were fully covered.It was like being in Ice Road Truckers.
I was driving at about 50 whereas at home I’d be doing 20 in similar conditions even with winters ( not studded), then got overtaken by a bus sound about 70. On packed snow.
Quite the same here in Canada where I live. I was driving at about 50 whereas at home I’d be doing 20 in similar conditions even with winters ( not studded), then got overtaken by a bus sound about 70. On packed snow.
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