Davanti Tyres

[anonymous-user]

can't remember said:

R50 BPS said:

CoolHands said:

^ is that a joke? You literally contradicted yourself.

The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron.

If you are going to call someone a moron you really should make sure your original post makes sense, not follow it up with more nonsense.

Ignoring your contradictions, if the Yaris is disposable, what are your views on the driver?

Well the worst that will happen is I'll park it wherever I want. It's a cheap old car to throw crap in, take it to the tip, park it wherever I want without fear of damage etc. Really could not give a toss about it as like I said, it's a temporary thing and will be moved on in a few weeks, no point at all in spending the cars' value again on a set of tyres, when the tyres it came with are all legal, as I have already stated.

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R50 BPS said:

Well the worst that will happen is I'll park it wherever I want. It's a cheap old car to throw crap in, take it to the tip, park it wherever I want without fear of damage etc. Really could not give a toss about it as like I said, it's a temporary thing and will be moved on in a few weeks, no point at all in spending the cars' value again on a set of tyres, when the tyres it came with are all legal, as I have already stated.

Isn't the worst that could happen that you end up having a crash and killing somebody because the tyres aren't as good as premium tyres?

[runnerbean 14]

Apologies for the thread revival but I've just bought a <3-year-old Audi S5 from a supposedly reputable dealer, for strong money. During the purchase negotiations the sales exec advised that they had fitted a set of new tyres. Well they have, but they are Davantis, which they tell me "they fit to all the cars whose tyres they change". I am quite surprised by this. Nothing wrong with them at the moment, but I'm not keen that my daughter should be driving on these at night on a wet road. It's meant to be an Approved Used Car, and I'm pretty sure that Davantis are not an Audi Approved fitment. Views?

[anonymous-user]

runnerbean 14 said:

Apologies for the thread revival but I've just bought a <3-year-old Audi S5 from a supposedly reputable dealer, for strong money. During the purchase negotiations the sales exec advised that they had fitted a set of new tyres. Well they have, but they are Davantis, which they tell me "they fit to all the cars whose tyres they change". I am quite surprised by this. Nothing wrong with them at the moment, but I'm not keen that my daughter should be driving on these at night on a wet road. It's meant to be an Approved Used Car, and I'm pretty sure that Davantis are not an Audi Approved fitment. Views?

Falken, Kumho or Nexen are usually the approved used choice for anything VW Group

[DuncanM]

R50 BPS said:

Falken, Kumho or Nexen are usually the approved used choice for anything VW Group

Falken and Kumho have been good for years, Nexen have done well to improve their rep then?

The strangest thing for me about the decision to put budget tyres on, is that the price difference is never cheaper enough v above mentioned brands?

[runnerbean 14]

Would have been satisfied with Falken, Kumho or Hankook but IMHO Davanti just not good enough. Bought the car unseen and was pretty disappointed with the prep as well. Lots of stone-chips and no effort made even to touch them in.

[andburg]

DuncanM said:

Falken and Kumho have been good for years, Nexen have done well to improve their rep then?

The strangest thing for me about the decision to put budget tyres on, is that the price difference is never cheaper enough v above mentioned brands?

Depends on sizing really, if i used blackcircles as a guide

my civic 205/55/16 budgets £50 , midrange £60, premium £80 (bridgestone the outlier at £65) (~40% extra for premium)

my T4 van, 235/45/18 a budget tyre is £70, a mid range £110 ish and premium brand £130+ (~90% extra for premium)

[HustleRussell]

runnerbean 14 said:

It's meant to be an Approved Used Car, and I'm pretty sure that Davantis are not an Audi Approved fitment. Views?

They are not obliged to fit only manufacturer approved tyres. It is important for the customer to specify what kind of tyre they are expecting, as when required to fit new tyres as part of a sales deal the dealer will obviously fit whatever is the most inexpensive and/or readily available.

[DuncanM]

andburg said:

Depends on sizing really, if i used blackcircles as a guide

my civic 205/55/16 budgets £50 , midrange £60, premium £80 (bridgestone the outlier at £65) (~40% extra for premium)

my T4 van, 235/45/18 a budget tyre is £70, a mid range £110 ish and premium brand £130+ (~90% extra for premium)

Good point, sizes can make a big difference.

[mikey_b]

DuncanM said:

R50 BPS said:

Falken, Kumho or Nexen are usually the approved used choice for anything VW Group

Falken and Kumho have been good for years, Nexen have done well to improve their rep then?

The strangest thing for me about the decision to put budget tyres on, is that the price difference is never cheaper enough v above mentioned brands?

When I picked up my Sportage (at 3yo), they had changed the worn OEM Continentals to Nexens all round. They've been absolutely fine TBH, I'd happily have them again. They deserve their place in the 'mid range tyres' bracket alongside those other two.

[Toyoda]

I remember reading this thread years ago when it started and around that time I'd transitioned from a premium brand tyre user to a mid range fan and the Kumho Ecsta was my tyre of choice. In the passing of time my local tyre place got aligned to Davanti and despite me continuing to swerve them I finally gave them a go. DX390 I think it was. As a spirited driver with nothing in the same ballpark as an S5 I have to say they performed like, errr tyres. I didn't meet any hedges backwards or any of the usual cliches that surround cheap tyres. There's undoubtedly a load of BS and snobbery surrounding tyres and in my experience it's far more risky to have an odd tyre on one corner with 3 others matching or one with considerably lower tread than the other on the same axle.

[andburg]

agreed to a point

i didnt think the ditchfinders of old existed and that even budgets were reasonably there but the latest tyrereviews.com winter UHP tyres test has shown just how much worse a set of budgets can be than the midrange tyres in the right conditions


https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Revi...

Wet braking / Handling placed the budget by far the worst, taking 6 metres longer to stop from 50 than any of the other tyres at 2degrees temps, this for me is probably 70% of our winter driving with 20% dry but cold and 10% icy/snowy

Edited by andburg on Tuesday 28th September 14:07

[runnerbean 14]

HustleRussell said:

They are not obliged to fit only manufacturer approved tyres. It is important for the customer to specify what kind of tyre they are expecting, as when required to fit new tyres as part of a sales deal the dealer will obviously fit whatever is the most inexpensive and/or readily available.

Simply put, I would have expected a premium used car from a reputable dealer bought at full retail price not to have new bottom-of-the-range budget tyres fitted - call me naive if you like - perhaps most of their customers are. I'll take it up to Dealer Principal level and see what happens.

Edited by runnerbean 14 on Tuesday 28th September 15:05

[DailyHack]

Toyoda said:

I remember reading this thread years ago when it started and around that time I'd transitioned from a premium brand tyre user to a mid range fan and the Kumho Ecsta was my tyre of choice. In the passing of time my local tyre place got aligned to Davanti and despite me continuing to swerve them I finally gave them a go. DX390 I think it was. As a spirited driver with nothing in the same ballpark as an S5 I have to say they performed like, errr tyres. I didn't meet any hedges backwards or any of the usual cliches that surround cheap tyres. There's undoubtedly a load of BS and snobbery surrounding tyres and in my experience it's far more risky to have an odd tyre on one corner with 3 others matching or one with considerably lower tread than the other on the same axle.

agreed

[Toyoda]

runnerbean 14 said:

Simply put, I would have expected a premium used car from a reputable dealer bought at full retail price not to have new bottom-of-the-range budget tyres fitted - call me naive if you like - perhaps most of their customers are. I'll take it up to Dealer Principal level and see what happens.

Edited by runnerbean 14 on Tuesday 28th September 15:05

Despite me saying I experienced no issues with Davanti tyres I can well understand your annoyance at them being fitted to a very capable motor like the S5. You could post your question on the thread below, Ask a Car Salesman. They're a decent bunch but I can almost second guess that they will say as long as its black and round and legal then a tyre is a tyre is a tyre, and had you wanted premium rubber then the time to mention this was during the deal and not afterwards. It's safe to say you were wrong/naive to assume they'd fit premium tyres. Most customers probably wouldnt even look at the brand as long as the tread is new. Alas most of us here on PH are not normal customers!

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by Toyoda on Tuesday 28th September 15:17

[runnerbean 14]

Thanks - unfortunately the tyres had apparently already been fitted before we saw the car on Auto Trader.

I'll run it up the mast on the other thread and see what happens.

[anonymous-user]

runnerbean 14 said:

Thanks - unfortunately the tyres had apparently already been fitted before we saw the car on Auto Trader.

I'll run it up the mast on the other thread and see what happens.

I appreciate all salesmen and dealerships are different, however from experience (three times so far), each time, they've arranged to do this at cost price or go half if the car required tyres anyway.

[Tonyhu]

T5XARV said:

I am trying to picture your tyre guy with his arm round your shoulder walking you past rack after rack of Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop, Continental...whilst you are saying 'but, but....'
"Nonsense lad, THESE are the ones you want.....put yer money away....''
Why on earth would he do that ? He is in business I assume ?
He's bought them in and they're simply not selling. Does that help in your decision making ?

Why not put your tyre size into eBay and see what part worn's exist out there ?
For £400 you could have two pairs (or four matching if you're lucky) of 5-6mm Premium rubber which will outlast and outperform your cheap choice.

Edited by Ollie_M on Monday 25th January 10:07

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

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Tonyhu said:

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

Most second-hand cars come with "part worn" tyres. I tend to look at the treads and general condition of the tyre before deciding whether it needs changing. I don't change them "just because they're "part worn".

[andburg]

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Tonyhu said:

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

Most second-hand cars come with "part worn" tyres. I tend to look at the treads and general condition of the tyre before deciding whether it needs changing. I don't change them "just because they're "part worn".

When your tyres are worn out wouldn’t you rather have new? You wouldn’t fit a part worn timing belt or brake pads would you? Rather different to buying a car with them already fitted

It’s down to usage.

On my civic I only bought premium tyres as at 205/55/16 budgets saved me nothing whatsoever and I was doing 12k a year in all weathers so I wanted a well rounded tyre.

On my 124 Spider I will stick to premium brands as it’s a rear drive sports car and will be driven as such.

On my 22 year old vw van I just 4 brand new budget tyres, they’ll provide far more grip than original 175 section van tyres whilst saving me £300 for the set of 4 in my size. I do 3k a year in it at less than 60mph, I expect 3 years of use anything more is a bonus.

Edited by andburg on Sunday 6th February 13:18

Edited by andburg on Sunday 6th February 13:19