Davanti Tyres

[E-bmw]

andburg said:

Countdown said:

Tonyhu said:

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

Most second-hand cars come with "part worn" tyres. I tend to look at the treads and general condition of the tyre before deciding whether it needs changing. I don't change them "just because they're "part worn".

When your tyres are worn out wouldn’t you rather have new?

Not if they are made by Davanti!

[Countdown]

andburg said:

Countdown said:

Tonyhu said:

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

Most second-hand cars come with "part worn" tyres. I tend to look at the treads and general condition of the tyre before deciding whether it needs changing. I don't change them "just because they're "part worn".

When your tyres are worn out wouldn’t you rather have new?

I would but I have no problems with people who choose to buy part-worn.

[sparkythecat]

andburg said:

On my civic I was doing 12k a year in all weathers so I wanted a well rounded tyre.

I’ve always found well rounded tyres to be the best choice.

[youngsyr]

Countdown said:

andburg said:

Countdown said:

Tonyhu said:

Part worns ? Er, where do they come from, how old are they, have they run up a kerb, do they have internal damage? And before you say they have to be checked, who checks them, there will be plenty of shops that walk you past the tyres saying ' you dont want to wasting money on new tyres, why dont you buy my cheapo second hanf tyres'. At least the davanti or any other new tyre have never been used.
How could someone recommend a tyre they have never seen. People are saying running a BMW shoestring not very good, well, if you tell someone to buy part worns, (Secondhand, because after all that is what they are) that is running a BMW on a shoestring surely ?
BTW, I run Michelin or Dunlop.

Most second-hand cars come with "part worn" tyres. I tend to look at the treads and general condition of the tyre before deciding whether it needs changing. I don't change them "just because they're "part worn".

When your tyres are worn out wouldn’t you rather have new?

I would but I have no problems with people who choose to buy part-worn.

I think the overall issue is that the vast majority of drivers don't understand the differences between tyres.

Fine if you're only ever going to drive an average car in average conditions at an average speed, but most people will drive in snow or a torrential downpour every once in a while or will drive in a rush in suboptimal conditions.

This is where the problems occur on cheaper/worn tyres.

If you're going to drive in these conditions regularly, or a sporty car and actually use its performance, budget tyres isn't the way to go.

[E-bmw]

youngsyr said:

I think the overall issue is that the vast majority of drivers don't understand the differences between tyres.

Fine if you're only ever going to drive an average car in average conditions at an average speed, but most people will drive in snow or a torrential downpour every once in a while or will drive in a rush in suboptimal conditions.

This is where the problems occur on cheaper/worn tyres.

If you're going to drive in these conditions regularly, or a sporty car and actually use its performance, budget tyres isn't the way to go.

Now, I fundamentally completely disagree with that statement.

No matter how you, yourself drive, you have no control over those around you that may do something completely stupid and cause you to violently change direction/brake etc, this is when you NEED good tyres under your wheels.

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

[Countdown]

youngsyr said:

I think the overall issue is that the vast majority of drivers don't understand the differences between tyres.

Fine if you're only ever going to drive an average car in average conditions at an average speed, but most people will drive in snow or a torrential downpour every once in a while or will drive in a rush in suboptimal conditions.

This is where the problems occur on cheaper/worn tyres.

If you're going to drive in these conditions regularly, or a sporty car and actually use its performance, budget tyres isn't the way to go.

By definition most people are going to be driving an average car in average conditions at an average speed.

All tyres have a safety margin. Better ones will have a bigger safety margin due to their better capabilities but most people rarely drive anywhere close to the limit of their car tyres. people should choose the tyres they find most appropriate.

[Countdown]

E-bmw said:

Now, I fundamentally completely disagree with that statement.

No matter how you, yourself drive, you have no control over those around you that may do something completely stupid and cause you to violently change direction/brake etc, this is when you NEED good tyres under your wheels.

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

I've had to violently brake or change direction approximately zero times in over 32 years of driving but I guess I should have had Pirelli P-Zeros on my Nissan Sunny 1.3DX "just in case".

[gazza285]

E-bmw said:

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

Best in what way? Unless you change tyres depending on the conditions, then any tyre is a compromise in some way.

[E-bmw]

Countdown said:

E-bmw said:

Now, I fundamentally completely disagree with that statement.

No matter how you, yourself drive, you have no control over those around you that may do something completely stupid and cause you to violently change direction/brake etc, this is when you NEED good tyres under your wheels.

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

I've had to violently brake or change direction approximately zero times in over 32 years of driving but I guess I should have had Pirelli P-Zeros on my Nissan Sunny 1.3DX "just in case".

And your point is?

[E-bmw]

gazza285 said:

E-bmw said:

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

Best in what way? Unless you change tyres depending on the conditions, then any tyre is a compromise in some way.

They are all a compromise yes & that doesn't mean you can't fit the best tyres you can.

You are missing the point.

If all I could afford in the size I needed were Kumho XYZ31s, then as they are a mid-range tyre I would fit them over Davanti.

As I can afford better, I will fit better etc.

[Countdown]

E-bmw said:

Countdown said:

E-bmw said:

Now, I fundamentally completely disagree with that statement.

No matter how you, yourself drive, you have no control over those around you that may do something completely stupid and cause you to violently change direction/brake etc, this is when you NEED good tyres under your wheels.

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

I've had to violently brake or change direction approximately zero times in over 32 years of driving but I guess I should have had Pirelli P-Zeros on my Nissan Sunny 1.3DX "just in case".

And your point is?

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

[jon-]

Countdown said:

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

You probably shouldn't wear your seatbelt then...

[E-bmw]

jon- said:

Countdown said:

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

You probably shouldn't wear your seatbelt then...

Don't bother with brakes either, they clearly aren't needed.

[Countdown]

jon- said:

Countdown said:

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

You probably shouldn't wear your seatbelt then...

Seatbelts are a legal requirement. However maybe I should wear a full 5-point racing harness with crotch-strap along with rollcage because, you know, if I end up rolling down the side of a mountain it might save my life........

[Countdown]

E-bmw said:

jon- said:

Countdown said:

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

You probably shouldn't wear your seatbelt then...

Don't bother with brakes either, they clearly aren't needed.

Again, brakes are a legal requirement. The brakes on my Audi appear to be just fine, that's why I'm not going for 15" vented carbon ceramic discs with 6-pot callipers.

[E-bmw]

Countdown said:

E-bmw said:

Countdown said:

E-bmw said:

Now, I fundamentally completely disagree with that statement.

No matter how you, yourself drive, you have no control over those around you that may do something completely stupid and cause you to violently change direction/brake etc, this is when you NEED good tyres under your wheels.

There is NO argument for not putting the best tyres you can on your car.

I've had to violently brake or change direction approximately zero times in over 32 years of driving but I guess I should have had Pirelli P-Zeros on my Nissan Sunny 1.3DX "just in case".

And your point is?

My point is that it's ridiculous catering for remote/unlikely scenarios.

How can you possibly define an emergency stop/change of direction as a remote/unlikely scenario just because you claim to have never done one in 32 years?

How many people in those same 32 years have been saved from an accident because their tyres were good enough?

How many people in those same 32 years have had an accident because their tyres weren't?

[Countdown]

E-bmw said:

How can you possibly define an emergency stop/change of direction as a remote/unlikely scenario just because you claim to have never done one in 32 years?

i think the probability of having to make an emergency stop or change of direction depends on a lot of factors such as skill, experience, judgement, attitude, how often a person drives, how much other traffic there is in the area etc. Based on these I can guess that the chances of ME making an emergency stop are pretty small. YMMV. Everybody's situation is different and I'd argue that I know far more about MY probabilities than you do. That's why i wouldn't dream of telling you or anybody else that they DON'T need premium tyres.

E-bmw said:

How many people in those same 32 years have been saved from an accident because their tyres were good enough?

I have no idea. My guess is that if there were a discernible patter then the Govt. would have legislated higher standards for tyres.

E-bmw said:

How many people in those same 32 years have had an accident because their tyres weren't?

See above.

FWIW all things being equal it's safer to drive at 60mph than 90mph and the risks/dangers of doing so are comparable to driving on budget vs. premium tyres. It's odd that people will happily take the risk of driving at higher speeds but think others are loons for buying budget tyres

[otolith]

Countdown said:

I've had to violently brake or change direction approximately zero times in over 32 years of driving but I guess I should have had Pirelli P-Zeros on my Nissan Sunny 1.3DX "just in case".

I have never been thrown through the windscreen of my car, nor impaled on the steering column, so I'm done with seatbelts.

[Countdown]

otolith said:

I have never been thrown through the windscreen of my car, nor impaled on the steering column, so I'm done with seatbelts.

I assume you jest but plenty of people throughout the world don't wear seatbelts and they don't all explode in a fiery ball of flame.

What nobody disputes about budget tyres or non-wearing of seatbelts is the increased level of risk. However the risk CAN be mitigated and we each have our own risk appetite. Risk doesn't disappear if you spend £300 per corner and it's not certain death if you spend £40 per corner.

FWIW most of my family's cars have Kumhos - I've found them to be excellent and they're relatively cheap. My wife's XC60 has Continentals because that's what it came with.

[E-bmw]

Countdown said:

FWIW most of my family's cars have Kumhos - I've found them to be excellent and they're relatively cheap. My wife's XC60 has Continentals because that's what it came with.

Shouldn't you be using "Charmhoo sport" tyres, as apparently you have no need for grip or road holding, or don't you listen to your own arguments?