Discussion
E-bmw said:
Shouldn't you be using "Charmhoo sport" tyres, as apparently you have no need for grip or road holding, or don't you listen to your own arguments?
Why? I'm not disputing that some tyres are better than others. There's a spectrum from "cheap" tyres to "expensive" tyres. Somewhere on that spectrum there are tyres that suit the way I drive and there will be tyres that suit the way you drive. It's not simply a case of Tyre X costs £XXX therefore you MUST have it.Some stinkers here to add to the list.
BLACKLION CILERRO with a 2019 date code
APTANY HARMONIC with a 2018 date code.
Old mans car which has just been passed down to me, prob 5 or so K on those, shocking.
As a devils advocate I had some really good experiences with Landsails for the money.
BLACKLION CILERRO with a 2019 date code
APTANY HARMONIC with a 2018 date code.
Old mans car which has just been passed down to me, prob 5 or so K on those, shocking.
As a devils advocate I had some really good experiences with Landsails for the money.
Just picked up a new to me car and for some strange reason the tyres are as follows:
Front: Michelin + Pirelli
Rear: Pirelli + Davanti
All tyres have plenty of tread. This presents a problem. The front / back are different sizes and I am OCD about matching tyres. So what do I do? Change all four seems the only solution to really get it right.
Or, change the Michelin and Davanti for Pirelli, but then they will have uneven wear.
I put my foot down on a slightly wet + straight road and the car was nearly sideways, it is a v6 diesel CLS btw so nothing overly exotic.
I am wondering how much of that behaviour is due to the rogue Davanti on the O/S/R! It gives me zero confidence in the driveability...I will give it a couple of weeks but I think I must get that Davanti off the car!
Front: Michelin + Pirelli
Rear: Pirelli + Davanti
All tyres have plenty of tread. This presents a problem. The front / back are different sizes and I am OCD about matching tyres. So what do I do? Change all four seems the only solution to really get it right.
Or, change the Michelin and Davanti for Pirelli, but then they will have uneven wear.
I put my foot down on a slightly wet + straight road and the car was nearly sideways, it is a v6 diesel CLS btw so nothing overly exotic.
I am wondering how much of that behaviour is due to the rogue Davanti on the O/S/R! It gives me zero confidence in the driveability...I will give it a couple of weeks but I think I must get that Davanti off the car!
Porkupine said:
Just picked up a new to me car and for some strange reason the tyres are as follows:
Front: Michelin + Pirelli
Rear: Pirelli + Davanti
All tyres have plenty of tread. This presents a problem. The front / back are different sizes and I am OCD about matching tyres. So what do I do? Change all four seems the only solution to really get it right.
Or, change the Michelin and Davanti for Pirelli, but then they will have uneven wear.
I put my foot down on a slightly wet + straight road and the car was nearly sideways, it is a v6 diesel CLS btw so nothing overly exotic.
I am wondering how much of that behaviour is due to the rogue Davanti on the O/S/R! It gives me zero confidence in the driveability...I will give it a couple of weeks but I think I must get that Davanti off the car!
Wait until new year. There will be plenty of 25% or 4 for the price of 3 deals kicking about. Replace all 4 abd save yourself a bit of money. Front: Michelin + Pirelli
Rear: Pirelli + Davanti
All tyres have plenty of tread. This presents a problem. The front / back are different sizes and I am OCD about matching tyres. So what do I do? Change all four seems the only solution to really get it right.
Or, change the Michelin and Davanti for Pirelli, but then they will have uneven wear.
I put my foot down on a slightly wet + straight road and the car was nearly sideways, it is a v6 diesel CLS btw so nothing overly exotic.
I am wondering how much of that behaviour is due to the rogue Davanti on the O/S/R! It gives me zero confidence in the driveability...I will give it a couple of weeks but I think I must get that Davanti off the car!
In the world of cheap budget tyres, I have some Prestivos on my GT86. Thing is they were brand new when I go the car, and so I decided to give them a chance.
Bearing in mind it's a stunning handling car.
Dry - very good
Hot and wet - very good
Coldish and wet - good/acceptable
Cold under 5deg - terrifyingly bad.
And so, they are on the car, and will stay on until next autumn.
This is the 2nd real winter I've had them on, it's only a handful of days a year where you have to behave, and respect the conditions.
Note: if I had a serious commute to do in this car, I would deal with the tyres. I don't, and was fortunate enough to only drive once in the last week of snow (Bedford area).
Bearing in mind it's a stunning handling car.
Dry - very good
Hot and wet - very good
Coldish and wet - good/acceptable
Cold under 5deg - terrifyingly bad.
And so, they are on the car, and will stay on until next autumn.
This is the 2nd real winter I've had them on, it's only a handful of days a year where you have to behave, and respect the conditions.
Note: if I had a serious commute to do in this car, I would deal with the tyres. I don't, and was fortunate enough to only drive once in the last week of snow (Bedford area).
Devanti are a prime example of the power of marketing over actual substance. They have put loads of effort into grabbing the 4x4/Land Rover market traditionally dominated by BF Goodrich, Cooper and General. Now the above brands have left a bit of an open goal because their prices have gone insane of late.
When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
blueST said:
Devanti are a prime example of the power of marketing over actual substance. They have put loads of effort into grabbing the 4x4/Land Rover market traditionally dominated by BF Goodrich, Cooper and General. Now the above brands have left a bit of an open goal because their prices have gone insane of late.
When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
Isn't that 90% of every consumer product we buy?When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
Pommy said:
blueST said:
Devanti are a prime example of the power of marketing over actual substance. They have put loads of effort into grabbing the 4x4/Land Rover market traditionally dominated by BF Goodrich, Cooper and General. Now the above brands have left a bit of an open goal because their prices have gone insane of late.
When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
Isn't that 90% of every consumer product we buy?When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
littlebasher said:
Holy thread resurrection!
Picked up the new family bus this morning, look what i found on the rear (both sides)
They seem okay to me, appearance wise anyway. Time will tell how i get on with them
For some idea of longevity, quoting my own post from June 2018, here's the tyres 4(ish) years and 30K miles laterPicked up the new family bus this morning, look what i found on the rear (both sides)
They seem okay to me, appearance wise anyway. Time will tell how i get on with them
Pommy said:
blueST said:
Devanti are a prime example of the power of marketing over actual substance. They have put loads of effort into grabbing the 4x4/Land Rover market traditionally dominated by BF Goodrich, Cooper and General. Now the above brands have left a bit of an open goal because their prices have gone insane of late.
When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
Isn't that 90% of every consumer product we buy? When they first appeared, Devanti bought loads of advertising in the monthlies, free tyres for the journalist to use on their own cars etc. their biggest coup was sponsoring a well known Defender cross country racer who is prominent in the mags and on social media. This is then followed by folk cropping up on the forums espousing the miracle of the new cheap off road tyres that can outperform £250 BF Goodrichs and is recommended by a legendary driver. Of course he recommends them, they pay for his racing!
The tyres themselves may or may not be decent, but they just smell of white label mediocrity and marketing bull shine to me.
It's certainly 90% of the difference between cheap tyres and expensive tyres in most cases
I finally tested a Davanti so we have some objective data about how it performs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
jon- said:
I finally tested a Davanti so we have some objective data about how it performs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
Great video John. How come you only showed a "reference budget" tyre for the wet braking and not the individual performances? I would have been really interested to see that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
In the Land Rover world Devanti spent a lot of effort promoting themselves when they first came onto the market and there are a lot of users on forums singing their praises, that they are better than whatever premium brand the owner was using before. I've been shouted down when I suggested they are just another white label brand churning out cheap tyres.
jon- said:
I finally tested a Davanti so we have some objective data about how it performs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
Great video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nm9jq8PWFs
There were 7 budget tyres, 1 retreaded tyre and obviously a premium tyre as a benchmark.
The Davanti performed as I'm sure most of this tyre expected.
While this is a current model Davanti I bought on the market, there are newer products in larger sizes. I'll try my best to test those soon.
andburg said:
Didn't realise you were a pistonheader!
I am a long time subscriber on youtube, keep up the great videos
I'm scared to even look at how many months I've been on this site I am a long time subscriber on youtube, keep up the great videos
Drive Blind said:
many thanks for doing this.
so sad that Foamy had to take one for the team to prove the obvious,, we salute you Foamy.
ADAC hit him so hard his leg came off so he had a better time with me!so sad that Foamy had to take one for the team to prove the obvious,, we salute you Foamy.
blueST said:
Great video John. How come you only showed a "reference budget" tyre for the wet braking and not the individual performances? I would have been really interested to see that.
In the Land Rover world Devanti spent a lot of effort promoting themselves when they first came onto the market and there are a lot of users on forums singing their praises, that they are better than whatever premium brand the owner was using before. I've been shouted down when I suggested they are just another white label brand churning out cheap tyres.
Less chance of getting sued.In the Land Rover world Devanti spent a lot of effort promoting themselves when they first came onto the market and there are a lot of users on forums singing their praises, that they are better than whatever premium brand the owner was using before. I've been shouted down when I suggested they are just another white label brand churning out cheap tyres.
mmm-five said:
For the TLDW brigade...if you must have a budget tyre then...
The 'best of the budgets' tested were:
Winrun finished ahead of Davanti in the overall results: https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Are-Budget-Tyr...The 'best of the budgets' tested were:
- Tomket Sport
- Nankang Econex NA1
- Davanti DX390
- Double Coin DC90
- Triangle Sportex TH201
- King Meiler Sport 1
Hi All,
New to PHs - so go easy on me. I came across this thread when looking for information about Davanti tyres, in particular the Protoura Sport.
My wife recently bought herself a new (old) car, a 2005 Porsche Boxster 987.1 (non-S 2.7). The person selling had recently had the car MOT'd and this threw up issues on three of the four tyres (one had a nail in and the fronts were showing signs of age related degradation). Knowing he was selling the car, I think he understandably cut some corners and put a full set of these Davanti Protoura Sport tyres on instead of a known brand - just before sale. This isn't something I would have done and had I known, I would have just asked for the £500 he spent on these boots off the asking prices and put that towards something better. However, they were on the car, so decided to go with them for a while.
I thought i would share my experiences to add some real world feedback on these tyres. I should caution that my input here is quite limited. I have never driven this precise car on other tyres - although I have driven other 987.1 on branded tyres.
For reference, the car is on 19" Factory Porsche Sport Design (BBS) wheels - which are 235/35 on the front and 265/35 on the rear. The car has PASM. Only thing non-stock on the car were some EBC Bluestuff pads I fitted a few hundred miles ago in anticipation of the track day discussed below.
My initial experience of the tyres is that they feel a little harsh and are quite noisy. They appear to quite sensitive to irregularities in road surface. This could be largely down the 19s or the car generally being quite stiff - but I think other 987s I test drove were a little more compliant. Possibly as a mark of the quality of tyre fitter that would sell these (rather than tyres themselves), the pressures were all over the place (10-15PSI over recommended when cold on the rears) and I had to go to my local trusted fitter to get the balancing sorted on the fronts which were way off and obviously so. This made a huge difference to the car overall - but still the tyres are a little unstable on anything other than smooth asphalt.
I have recently taken the car on a track (Brands Hatch in Kent for reference). I'm by no means an experienced track driver - so my comments need to carry that large caveat - however I did drive the car relatively agressively, although given my confidence levels I'm generally lighter in the braking zones. I used the car with these tyres for 6 x 20min sessions on the shorter Indy circuit over a day. For some reference, I was driving in a group with a mix of other cars, but the most useful reference was a fellow Boxster driver (while a 986, it was a S so comparable performance) driven by someone with a very similar experience level to me - running quite new PS4s.
Overall - my experience of the tyres was nowhere near as bad as I feared. In the first session, it took maybe two to three laps for tyres to get up to temps, feeling very wooden until then (not helped by me getting up to speed). After that, they started working incredibly well. I was generally driving without PSM activated and I experienced very little understeer. Overall, loss of traction happened evenly as a four wheel slide, if I overcooked the entry speed to the corner, it was very manageable. The tyres certainly didn't upset what seems to a very well balanced car. There were occasional twitches of oversteer, but these didn't come on particualrly suddenly with plenty of feedback and time to respond. Under heavier braking there were inevitable lock-ups, but again these were easily recovered with a slight easing on the brakes and tyres quickly regaining traction.
In the second session (40min after) - the tyres came back on temp within a lap I would guess. However, after 6 or 7 laps it was clear they were getting overworked and traction did rather deteriorate. Nothing completely catastrophic and neither did the pattern of performance change, just a general but very apparent drop in grip and stability, with some challenges getting traction out of slower corners. Cooling off for one or so laps brought them back and allowed me to complete the session generally at (my) full capacity. On checking tyres, I could see that the pressures were way up when hot (nudging over 40PSI on rears). I set these back down to low 30s while hot - which made a big change on the remaining sessions. The tyres definitely still started to fade during a 20min track session though, but much less notably with lower pressures.
Overall experience was far more positive than I feared they might be. Obviously these are very much road tyres and track orientated ones would have made a masssive difference, but performance and characteristics seemed (within the large margin I can offer) comparable to those on 'branded' performance tyres. Discussing with others between and at the end of the sessions - the stories were pretty similar (similar cars, similar experiences). Looking at the tyres at the end of the day, we all seemed to have similar rubber build-up, particularly on the nearside (we were clockwise). The chap on the more aging Hancook (sorry don't recall exact model, but they were 19s on a Audi TT) very much more so, despite him maybe a little lower on pace.
If I had to guess - I would say that the actual rubber compounds on these tyres are not all that different to other 'performance road brands'. I realise that my comments are incredibly subjective and not from a particularly experienced perspective - but contrary to the scaremoungers, I didn't end up in a ditch (or the gravel), unlike the chap in the 986S on the PPS4s....who I was keeping pace with (not sure even he would blame the tyres though....).
I have no doubt that the wet weather performance, where the tread design becomes critical, will tell a very different story. However, this is a weekend and fair weather car, so this is less important to us. Given the distressing rate of track tyre wear track - I won't be rushing to put new boots on just yet and will happily leave these on for the next track visit, hopefully in a few weeks.
I fully appreciate that this is no replacement for a balanced and fully experienced comparison - just adding my thoughts to the wider knowledge base - so go easy on me.
New to PHs - so go easy on me. I came across this thread when looking for information about Davanti tyres, in particular the Protoura Sport.
My wife recently bought herself a new (old) car, a 2005 Porsche Boxster 987.1 (non-S 2.7). The person selling had recently had the car MOT'd and this threw up issues on three of the four tyres (one had a nail in and the fronts were showing signs of age related degradation). Knowing he was selling the car, I think he understandably cut some corners and put a full set of these Davanti Protoura Sport tyres on instead of a known brand - just before sale. This isn't something I would have done and had I known, I would have just asked for the £500 he spent on these boots off the asking prices and put that towards something better. However, they were on the car, so decided to go with them for a while.
I thought i would share my experiences to add some real world feedback on these tyres. I should caution that my input here is quite limited. I have never driven this precise car on other tyres - although I have driven other 987.1 on branded tyres.
For reference, the car is on 19" Factory Porsche Sport Design (BBS) wheels - which are 235/35 on the front and 265/35 on the rear. The car has PASM. Only thing non-stock on the car were some EBC Bluestuff pads I fitted a few hundred miles ago in anticipation of the track day discussed below.
My initial experience of the tyres is that they feel a little harsh and are quite noisy. They appear to quite sensitive to irregularities in road surface. This could be largely down the 19s or the car generally being quite stiff - but I think other 987s I test drove were a little more compliant. Possibly as a mark of the quality of tyre fitter that would sell these (rather than tyres themselves), the pressures were all over the place (10-15PSI over recommended when cold on the rears) and I had to go to my local trusted fitter to get the balancing sorted on the fronts which were way off and obviously so. This made a huge difference to the car overall - but still the tyres are a little unstable on anything other than smooth asphalt.
I have recently taken the car on a track (Brands Hatch in Kent for reference). I'm by no means an experienced track driver - so my comments need to carry that large caveat - however I did drive the car relatively agressively, although given my confidence levels I'm generally lighter in the braking zones. I used the car with these tyres for 6 x 20min sessions on the shorter Indy circuit over a day. For some reference, I was driving in a group with a mix of other cars, but the most useful reference was a fellow Boxster driver (while a 986, it was a S so comparable performance) driven by someone with a very similar experience level to me - running quite new PS4s.
Overall - my experience of the tyres was nowhere near as bad as I feared. In the first session, it took maybe two to three laps for tyres to get up to temps, feeling very wooden until then (not helped by me getting up to speed). After that, they started working incredibly well. I was generally driving without PSM activated and I experienced very little understeer. Overall, loss of traction happened evenly as a four wheel slide, if I overcooked the entry speed to the corner, it was very manageable. The tyres certainly didn't upset what seems to a very well balanced car. There were occasional twitches of oversteer, but these didn't come on particualrly suddenly with plenty of feedback and time to respond. Under heavier braking there were inevitable lock-ups, but again these were easily recovered with a slight easing on the brakes and tyres quickly regaining traction.
In the second session (40min after) - the tyres came back on temp within a lap I would guess. However, after 6 or 7 laps it was clear they were getting overworked and traction did rather deteriorate. Nothing completely catastrophic and neither did the pattern of performance change, just a general but very apparent drop in grip and stability, with some challenges getting traction out of slower corners. Cooling off for one or so laps brought them back and allowed me to complete the session generally at (my) full capacity. On checking tyres, I could see that the pressures were way up when hot (nudging over 40PSI on rears). I set these back down to low 30s while hot - which made a big change on the remaining sessions. The tyres definitely still started to fade during a 20min track session though, but much less notably with lower pressures.
Overall experience was far more positive than I feared they might be. Obviously these are very much road tyres and track orientated ones would have made a masssive difference, but performance and characteristics seemed (within the large margin I can offer) comparable to those on 'branded' performance tyres. Discussing with others between and at the end of the sessions - the stories were pretty similar (similar cars, similar experiences). Looking at the tyres at the end of the day, we all seemed to have similar rubber build-up, particularly on the nearside (we were clockwise). The chap on the more aging Hancook (sorry don't recall exact model, but they were 19s on a Audi TT) very much more so, despite him maybe a little lower on pace.
If I had to guess - I would say that the actual rubber compounds on these tyres are not all that different to other 'performance road brands'. I realise that my comments are incredibly subjective and not from a particularly experienced perspective - but contrary to the scaremoungers, I didn't end up in a ditch (or the gravel), unlike the chap in the 986S on the PPS4s....who I was keeping pace with (not sure even he would blame the tyres though....).
I have no doubt that the wet weather performance, where the tread design becomes critical, will tell a very different story. However, this is a weekend and fair weather car, so this is less important to us. Given the distressing rate of track tyre wear track - I won't be rushing to put new boots on just yet and will happily leave these on for the next track visit, hopefully in a few weeks.
I fully appreciate that this is no replacement for a balanced and fully experienced comparison - just adding my thoughts to the wider knowledge base - so go easy on me.
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