Is it alignment or something else ????

[fendertele]

Problem solved was tyres

I had them all set @ 2.5 last night checked it twice....

Tonight I checked again and got same reading... But decided to overinflated them then drop them back down to 2.5 again and it seemed to work... No idea how overinflating them then lowering back to 2.5 bat worked but it's took all the pulling unstableness away

Cheers guys

[anonymous-user]

Bugger off.

You were running them at 25psi rather than 2.5BAR weren't you.

[GreenV8S]

That's about 36 psi, which is a bit higher than I'm used to seeing. What's the manufacturers recommended pressure range for those tyres on that car?

[fendertele]

jsf said:

Bugger off.

You were running them at 25psi rather than 2.5BAR weren't you.

Lol nah I use a little pencil gauge and always check for 2.5bar

[fendertele]

GreenV8S said:

That's about 36 psi, which is a bit higher than I'm used to seeing. What's the manufacturers recommended pressure range for those tyres on that car?

In the fuel flap it's anywhere from 2.3 to 2.5 depending on load and as I do a lot of full car with luggage work just set at 2.5



Don't matter was short lived a few bumpy roads and it's back again... Felt good for a good hour or so..

When it's good I have zero handling issues when it shifts I find myself holding the steering wheel a fraction to the right to maintain a straight line I've noticed

[GreenV8S]

Get an experienced driver familiar with this type of car to drive it when you think the problem happens and tell you whether there is a problem and what the symptoms are.

[anonymous-user]

Get your ears tested. Sounds like your balance control system is screwed up.

If that checks out ok, get them to check when they shine light in one ear it doesn't come out of the other.

[fendertele]

jsf said:

Get your ears tested. Sounds like your balance control system is screwed up.

If that checks out ok, get them to check when they shine light in one ear it doesn't come out of the other.

Might be a good shout as I can actually feel when it's off just by sitting in the car... Hard to explain by can feel it through the seat . So might be a balance thing but doesn't explain how it isn't all the time with a certain alignment it can feel good and with another like crack.

I swear the way the car feels has changed about 3/4 times over the course of my shift..... and it always changes the most drastically after I have took a hard corner and the rear has hit any bump on the road while taking the corner....

infact when I corner and the surface isn't smooth ( any kind of bump) if the rear hits it mid corner, the back end jumps/kicks out and then when I straighten up the issue I'm having has usually changed from one side to the other...

I thought this would have been done with when I got the rear axle replaced but whatever it is... it is still there.

The car drives straight enough due to the front end being in spec but it feels warped/out of shape while doing so.

Edited by fendertele on Friday 23 February 06:23

Edited by fendertele on Friday 23 February 06:25

[Fastpedeller]

Has anyone else experienced this in the car? I do wonder if it's a balance issue (with your body).
I had similar a few years ago (I got sufficient warning of an 'attack' such that it didn't affect driving) and I was ok riding a bike ........ Indeed it was better. Despite tests at Hospital and GP it wasn't identified until I went to a nutritionist who immediately hit on the problem which was a lactose intolerance I'd developed. For some reason lactose was affecting my balance - If I had a glass of milk now it would give me a feeling in one ear, but nothing like the vertigo I experienced when my daily diet included cheese or other milk products. Why was it better when I rode a bike? - I just took off for several hours with a water bottle and wasn't eating: once I knew the reason it became obvious.

[fendertele]

Fastpedeller said:

Has anyone else experienced this in the car? I do wonder if it's a balance issue (with your body).
I had similar a few years ago (I got sufficient warning of an 'attack' such that it didn't affect driving) and I was ok riding a bike ........ Indeed it was better. Despite tests at Hospital and GP it wasn't identified until I went to a nutritionist who immediately hit on the problem which was a lactose intolerance I'd developed. For some reason lactose was affecting my balance - If I had a glass of milk now it would give me a feeling in one ear, but nothing like the vertigo I experienced when my daily diet included cheese or other milk products. Why was it better when I rode a bike? - I just took off for several hours with a water bottle and wasn't eating: once I knew the reason it became obvious.

I would believe it to be a balance issue if it weren't for the fact I don't feel it when I drive other cars like my brothers.... this is definitely an issue whether it's big enough for someone else to pick up on I don't know, I drive it for 10 hours a day and I feel the changes as they happen, someone may get into the car for 10 minutes and not knowing how it felt before think it feels pretty normal but I know the moment I sit in the car just by how it's sitting on the road if it's off and at what side.

when I had it aligned maybe a month ago it felt bang on... all previous alignments and any after have failed to get it right like that one guy did, unfortunately he was filling in for another guy from another store so I can't use the same fellow.... on the paper printouts the car has looked almost identical on every alignment I've had so the difference must be something else he did and the rest didn't.. that doesn't show on the printouts...

Frustrated and stressed by it, don't get me wrong it aint going anywhere, it aint dangerous and I can certainly drive it.... I would just prefer it to be enjoyable and not a chore.

[GreenV8S]

fendertele said:

whether it's big enough for someone else to pick up on I don't know

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out?

[Dave Brand]

GreenV8S said:

fendertele said:

whether it's big enough for someone else to pick up on I don't know

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out?

After numerous suggestions that someone else should drive the car have fallen on deaf ears I think we're flogging a dead horse!

[fendertele]

Dave Brand said:

After numerous suggestions that someone else should drive the car have fallen on deaf ears I think we're flogging a dead horse!

No I have taken it in, and just been unlucky that when I have it hasn't been as noticeable...

It shifts... and other time's iit feels perfect.

I have it booked in for Monday to be looked at I just wish I knew what to say to them or a better description of what it is I feel is happening...

all I will say is that

when it is on the front right side.... taking left corners is a problem and I need to slow right down as it feels like it wants to pull/slip right....

when its on the front left side .... taking right corners is a problem and I need to slow right down as it feels like it wants to pull//slip left....

and when it's bang on I can take corners full speed with braking or needing to readjust my steering....

I can feel it change through the steering wheel and also through my bum on the seat...

tonight the car for the most part felt great... occasionally after a bump or a hard corner it shifted out of place.

Edited by fendertele on Sunday 25th February 06:08

Edited by fendertele on Sunday 25th February 06:20

[PaulKemp]

Did you ever get a 4 wheel alignment with a print out?
Without this it’s alway going to be guess work

[anonymous-user]

PaulKemp said:

Did you ever get a 4 wheel alignment with a print out?
Without this it’s alway going to be guess work

Read the thread. He's had loads.

[GreenV8S]

fendertele said:

I just wish I knew what to say to them or a better description of what it is I feel is happening...
...
I can feel it change through the steering wheel and also through my bum on the seat...

There seem to be three significant factors you should tell them about:

1. The car does not behave consistently - after taking a sharp left or right corner, the steering feel will be different for some time afterwards. This ought to send them looking for stiction in the suspension, a bush shifting, a faulty damper, a steering fault, or something like that.
2. It is not a geometry fault. You've had it checked and adjusted multiple times by different people without affecting the problem and you know it is within spec.
3. You feel the difference through the steering. If you can tell them what you feel, that would be a great help. Don't try to interpret it. Don't say 'it feels like the car is leaning ... but it isn't leaning'. Don't say 'it feels like the car wants to ...'. Tell them exactly what you feel. Does the steering pull to one side or the other more/less than normal? Has it stopped self-centering? Is it lighter or heavier than normal?

[fendertele]

GreenV8S said:

There seem to be three significant factors you should tell them about:

1. The car does not behave consistently - after taking a sharp left or right corner, the steering feel will be different for some time afterwards. This ought to send them looking for stiction in the suspension, a bush shifting, a faulty damper, a steering fault, or something like that.
2. It is not a geometry fault. You've had it checked and adjusted multiple times by different people without affecting the problem and you know it is within spec.
3. You feel the difference through the steering. If you can tell them what you feel, that would be a great help. Don't try to interpret it. Don't say 'it feels like the car is leaning ... but it isn't leaning'. Don't say 'it feels like the car wants to ...'. Tell them exactly what you feel. Does the steering pull to one side or the other more/less than normal? Has it stopped self-centering? Is it lighter or heavier than normal?

it's funny you should mention the last part..... a long long time ago i had a similar issue however as the car was a rental i had the ability to take it back and swap without having to get to the bottom of the issue..

But what i remember was that the car was really old and after having the same issue for a while one night the steering came loose, by that i mean instead of being responsive to me turning it... it would slip and not grip whatever part is used to turn the wheels.... when it did grip and i managed to turn the car, the steering wheel would be sitting in a different position ( 8 oclock for example) to drive straight and when i took another turn it would move to (4 oclock) to drive straight... it took me 2 hours to get home that night as i had to drive under 10 mph the whole way.

I handed it back and never found out the problem.... but i imagine the whatever connects the steering wheel to the wheels wasn't tight enough and it was slipping.

The car was a Skoda which i believe is part of the same family as Seat ? which would be more than a coincidence.

And to answer your question about the pulling it does pull ever so slightly when it shifts on whatever side i'm feeling it, however the pull is not what annoys me more the way the car feels with connection to the road... like i'm driving on a flat/ out of shape tyre which i know is not the case as it shifts from side to side.

I have camber bolts installed in the front, i don't know if that could be significant to what i'm feeling.

Anyways thanks i will try to keep it short, maybe just mentioning when it switches sides that handling while taking corners becomes unstable and i need to slow into corners but when it switches to a more central position i can take corners with no issue and hopefully that's enough to give them a clue.

Edited by fendertele on Sunday 25th February 15:29

Edited by fendertele on Sunday 25th February 15:40

[GreenV8S]

fendertele said:

the pull is not what annoys me more the way the car feels with connection to the road... like i'm driving on a flat/ out of shape tyre ...

As soon as you start speculating about what is causing the symptom, you are at best wasting your time and potentially leading the person you're talking to down a blind alley. Stick to the symptoms, don't try to explain in terms of what you think might cause them. If it affects the steering, you ought to be able to explain what you feel in terms that could potentially be measured: it pulls one side or the other, more/less self-centering and so on.

fendertele said:

Anyways thanks i will try to keep it short, maybe just mentioning when it switches sides that handling while taking corners becomes unstable and i need to slow into corners but when it switches to a more central position i can take corners with no issue and hopefully that's enough to give them a clue.

I think that is a total waste of time and will leave the person you're talking to with no idea what you're talking about. How on earth is somebody supposed to know what 'becomes unstable' means, given that it obviously is not actually becoming unstable? I've read dozens of your posts on this thread and still have no idea what you're actually feeling when the problem happens - because YOU HAVEN'T SAID.

[fendertele]

I don't know then go to explain it... I just know I don't feel 100 percent in control taking left corners when I feel it on the right side and vice versa.. wish I could give more of a description than that.

Feels heavier if I was to think of something I'm feeling while cornering.

But I honestly don't know it's definitely an issue that comes n goes I drive the same motorways everynihht last night I was able to take all corners at 70... Tonight so far been needing to slow into left ones as I'm not feeling road right on the right side hard to judge etc...


They all add up flat tyre heavier lean on one side but obviously these ain't gonna get me sorted... Wish I could be more helpful guys

Edited by fendertele on Monday 26th February 01:28

Edited by fendertele on Monday 26th February 02:11

[PositronicRay]

Sounds like the nut behind the wheel.