Toyo T1R vs. TR1?
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What’s interesting about this thread is you have people saying they are good - let’s politely say ok fine in their opinion they think that they are good.
But the reality is if you know anything about tyres (which not many people do) these tyres are budget crap . Well done to Toyo marketing team who somehow their ad campaigns made people think these T1/proxy are performance tyres.
For reference Toyo do make some really good tyres, eg 888’s when they first came out were Almost as good as Ao48’s. And they do some good winter tyres.
But the reality is if you know anything about tyres (which not many people do) these tyres are budget crap . Well done to Toyo marketing team who somehow their ad campaigns made people think these T1/proxy are performance tyres.
For reference Toyo do make some really good tyres, eg 888’s when they first came out were Almost as good as Ao48’s. And they do some good winter tyres.
rallycross said:
What’s interesting about this thread is you have people saying they are good - let’s politely say ok fine in their opinion they think that they are good.
But the reality is if you know anything about tyres (which not many people do) these tyres are budget crap . Well done to Toyo marketing team who somehow their ad campaigns made people think these T1/proxy are performance tyres.
For reference Toyo do make some really good tyres, eg 888’s when they first came out were Almost as good as Ao48’s. And they do some good winter tyres.
Maybe it's just personal preference, size, car differences etc? Writing us off as knowing Jack sBut the reality is if you know anything about tyres (which not many people do) these tyres are budget crap . Well done to Toyo marketing team who somehow their ad campaigns made people think these T1/proxy are performance tyres.
For reference Toyo do make some really good tyres, eg 888’s when they first came out were Almost as good as Ao48’s. And they do some good winter tyres.
t isn't fair.Add a couple of pounds of pressure above standard and they were good enough for the road; progressive breaking away and good in the wet.
The tyres that replaced them were continental, followed by a set of A048Rs. The continentals were a smidge quieter but no more grippy, considering they were nearly double the price they weren't worth it. The A048s were incredible, but they should be for 3x the price and half the mileage.
If they were super crap how did they end up being listed for sprints and hill climbing?
T1R are a mid-range tyre and were reasonably well rated back in the day (more than 10 years ago). These days there are much better performing mid-range tyres out there.
They seem to get worshipped on this forum for some reason, I think it’s mostly hearsay because the TVR boys used to like them.
They seem to get worshipped on this forum for some reason, I think it’s mostly hearsay because the TVR boys used to like them.
Got T1R's on my glanza. Terrible from cold, need some heat in then to get near their potential. Seem to cope okay with the power once warm. In the rain, lethal. Bare in mind the cars maybe 200bhp. Will spin all the way through 4th in the rain, and it seems to aqua plane a lot, not sure if that's just a light weight car issue though. I think for a light car they're fine, mx5 etc so stuff under a tonne. I paid £33 for 2 fronts, so cant really moan too much lol
Krikkit said:
If they were super crap how did they end up being listed for sprints and hill climbing?
That means absolutely nothing. The manufacturers ask for tyres to be put on the list, and it has zero bearing on their actual ability. The 2019 List 1a still includes the Yoko A539, good luck using that. The Toyo was barely acceptable in 2004, and certainly for the last decade it would have been outperformed by better alternatives. The Michelin Pilot Sport 3 was launched in about 2010....I used the Toyos for a very short period (a long time ago) and their soft characteristics led to you believing that you were getting towards "the limit". However, all they were doing was masking the true ability of the car. And in the wet, no comment.
df76 said:
That means absolutely nothing. The manufacturers ask for tyres to be put on the list, and it has zero bearing on their actual ability. The 2019 List 1a still includes the Yoko A539, good luck using that. The Toyo was barely acceptable in 2004, and certainly for the last decade it would have been outperformed by better alternatives. The Michelin Pilot Sport 3 was launched in about 2010....
I used the Toyos for a very short period (a long time ago) and their soft characteristics led to you believing that you were getting towards "the limit". However, all they were doing was masking the true ability of the car. And in the wet, no comment.
I think this is pretty spot on.I used the Toyos for a very short period (a long time ago) and their soft characteristics led to you believing that you were getting towards "the limit". However, all they were doing was masking the true ability of the car. And in the wet, no comment.
HustleRussell said:
Krikkit said:
If they were super crap how did they end up being listed for sprints and hill climbing?
Lots of control tyres for championships are chosen deliberately because they’re st. Oddly enough, the R888's I later ran for hills were far better
T1R's were rubbish on my VX220. Standard bridgestones that aren't a million years old are much better. The Kuhmo KU31? were pretty good.
The federal 595 RS-R's were pretty good for a cheap semi slick type tyre. Not had any of the issues of them splitting like others seem to but then I do about 1-2000 miles per year and the rest of the time it's in the garage.
But as others have said, it tends to be pay peanuts, get crap tyres.
The federal 595 RS-R's were pretty good for a cheap semi slick type tyre. Not had any of the issues of them splitting like others seem to but then I do about 1-2000 miles per year and the rest of the time it's in the garage.
But as others have said, it tends to be pay peanuts, get crap tyres.
to get my Elise home from France and straight to the MoT i've just put T1Rs on the front and TR1s on the rear.
nothing like the Yokos in the first 100miles but getting better, thankfully.
i've heard these tyres need quite a few miles to get working and benefit with a bit of heat. Early days, but i suspect the rears (TR1, the new tyre) are better than the fronts. after a vigorous drive they improved and were less floaty than when i first set off (not a fair test to be fair, they looked really oily when fitted).
bottom line: jury still out. as a value tyre i think they'd be quite good for a warm hatch. the elise is sensitive and deserves the best. i'll enjoy the experience and learning no matter.
nothing like the Yokos in the first 100miles but getting better, thankfully.
i've heard these tyres need quite a few miles to get working and benefit with a bit of heat. Early days, but i suspect the rears (TR1, the new tyre) are better than the fronts. after a vigorous drive they improved and were less floaty than when i first set off (not a fair test to be fair, they looked really oily when fitted).
bottom line: jury still out. as a value tyre i think they'd be quite good for a warm hatch. the elise is sensitive and deserves the best. i'll enjoy the experience and learning no matter.
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