Michelin Cross Climate+ or Goodyear Vector 4Seasons
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ChocolateFrog said:
If you want a winter biased All Season tyre I don't think you can beat them.
Cross-Climates are summer biased All-Seasons...Which is to say they wear well (unlike many winter-derived all season tyres) and they have decent aquaplaning performance.
CC are perfect for a daily, but they're not a performance tyre.
fiesta_STage3 said:
Kawasicki said:
Done 20k miles on CrossClimates
Great tyres, but don’t expect a lot of wet or dry grip.
i’m trying to understand this answer - well then what about them is great?Great tyres, but don’t expect a lot of wet or dry grip.
for example, do you mean that if there’s standing water they’re not great, nor in hot summer, but they’re more predictable for single digit temperature/frosty roads?…or?
They’re great because they have ok grip(wet/dry/Aquaplaning resistance) and ok steering and you can drive them year round. The steering improves as they wear too. I am down to 3mm tread and they steer like a summer tyre now. When new the steering is imprecise.
I‘m buying them again. If I lived in the UK or if I owned a performance car I would consider using them as winter tyres.
thanks for the clarification. Kawasicki said:
fiesta_STage3 said:
Kawasicki said:
Done 20k miles on CrossClimates
Great tyres, but don’t expect a lot of wet or dry grip.
i’m trying to understand this answer - well then what about them is great?Great tyres, but don’t expect a lot of wet or dry grip.
for example, do you mean that if there’s standing water they’re not great, nor in hot summer, but they’re more predictable for single digit temperature/frosty roads?…or?
They’re great because they have ok grip(wet/dry/Aquaplaning resistance) and ok steering and you can drive them year round. The steering improves as they wear too. I am down to 3mm tread and they steer like a summer tyre now. When new the steering is imprecise.
I‘m buying them again. If I lived in the UK or if I owned a performance car I would consider using them as winter tyres.
I have used Nokian winter tyres & been impressed. In the peak district I followed a BMW X5, which was on summer tyres, all over the road & slid out of a T-junction unable to stop. I had an easy drive.
otolith said:
CrossClimates are a great all season compromise, but if you’re going to bother changing wheels for the winter, put a set of true winters in them.
Genuine question: For a UK winter, where there’s often only a few days of actual snow, and often temperatures in the high single digit C - is this still true?Glosphil said:
If you pure winter tyres there are many better than CC2s during the winter. The CC2s are designed as a all seasons tyre & are a compromise.
I have used Nokian winter tyres & been impressed. In the peak district I followed a BMW X5, which was on summer tyres, all over the road & slid out of a T-junction unable to stop. I had an easy drive.
That very much depends on your "winter".I have used Nokian winter tyres & been impressed. In the peak district I followed a BMW X5, which was on summer tyres, all over the road & slid out of a T-junction unable to stop. I had an easy drive.
fiesta_STage3 said:
Genuine question: For a UK winter, where there’s often only a few days of actual snow, and often temperatures in the high single digit C - is this still true?
It depends entirely on the winter. Unless you're expecting a lot of prolonged snow and ice, full winter tyres do not make a lot of sense.stevieturbo said:
winter are largely aimed at snow, not simply cold, or cold/damp.
Really the CC2 are best of both worlds for a lot of the cold/wet UK
I didn't know that was their motto: 'largely aimed at snow' not cold, I only remember the opposite which is: 'improved grip/braking at temps <7c'. I run the CC on our run around and find them brilliant too.Really the CC2 are best of both worlds for a lot of the cold/wet UK
fiesta_STage3 said:
otolith said:
CrossClimates are a great all season compromise, but if you’re going to bother changing wheels for the winter, put a set of true winters in them.
Genuine question: For a UK winter, where there’s often only a few days of actual snow, and often temperatures in the high single digit C - is this still true?otolith said:
If you’re going to all the hassle of changing tyres, why change to something that isn’t as good as it could be?
That’s why i’m asking - my understanding to date had been that winter tyres are for “proper snow”, & we don’t get “proper snow”, so cross climates are actually better for our use case. i’m interested to learn what’s best.fiesta_STage3 said:
That’s why i’m asking - my understanding to date had been that winter tyres are for “proper snow”, & we don’t get “proper snow”, so cross climates are actually better for our use case. i’m interested to learn what’s best.
Full winters will have less stopping distance than CC's at 2c on dry or wet roads.fiesta_STage3 said:
otolith said:
CrossClimates are a great all season compromise, but if you’re going to bother changing wheels for the winter, put a set of true winters in them.
Genuine question: For a UK winter, where there’s often only a few days of actual snow, and often temperatures in the high single digit C - is this still true?That's what makes the CC2's so good for the UK. I use them as a winter tyre but you could easily use them all year round.
Full set of Vector gen3 on my daily.
Commute is all crap B roads and I’m very happy with them.
In the wet you can feel them moving the water, in the cold, no issues at all.
Hoping to not see what there like in snow, but will be better than summers.
No additional noise for me.
Thinking about either a set or just fronts for the other half’s car as well.
Commute is all crap B roads and I’m very happy with them.
In the wet you can feel them moving the water, in the cold, no issues at all.
Hoping to not see what there like in snow, but will be better than summers.
No additional noise for me.
Thinking about either a set or just fronts for the other half’s car as well.
I can't comment on what's best as I haven't driven all tyres in all conditions, so can only give my experience of Cross Climate SUV's.
In the summer they've been great, and are much quieter and more comfortable than the previous Dunlops. Last winter I drove across France to Germany and Switzerland, where I came across snow, heavy (couple off feet deep) in some places, both on flat roads and mountains, as well as heavy rain at times. In all conditions the tyres performed flawlessly.
Can't add anything about longevity as I've only had them a year.
In the summer they've been great, and are much quieter and more comfortable than the previous Dunlops. Last winter I drove across France to Germany and Switzerland, where I came across snow, heavy (couple off feet deep) in some places, both on flat roads and mountains, as well as heavy rain at times. In all conditions the tyres performed flawlessly.
Can't add anything about longevity as I've only had them a year.
fiesta_STage3 said:
That’s why i’m asking - my understanding to date had been that winter tyres are for “proper snow”, & we don’t get “proper snow”, so cross climates are actually better for our use case. i’m interested to learn what’s best.
Crossclimates are great because they’re “ok” with whatever the British climate will throw at them. If you don’t need them to work in the summer because you’re tyre swapping it makes more sense to buy the ones with the best cold weather performance. The full winters aren’t just for snow. Gassing Station | Suspension, Brakes & Tyres | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff