All Season Tyres

[DFNorfolk]

Here you go: https://www.goodyear.eu/en_gb/consumer/why-goodyea...

[Driver101]

Stupot123 said:

Don’t mix tyre types.

https://youtu.be/A5aMnmekA38?si=soJK34ImzmFk18QA

I do agree with not mixing tyres, but I've driven a few cars on mixed tyres and it has been ok. The handling has not been as extreme as that video.

A lot of people only put winter tyres on the front on FWD cars and I've not seen them spinning out.

[Evanivitch]

journeymanpro said:

wyson said:

Wow, pica, surprised. Usually your advice is so sensible.

No body is saying it's sensible to do it but that doesn't mean you must not do it.

Precisely. No MUST legally or in insurance. Equally, you could mix tyres with different wet weather grip that are still summers just different tread wear or performance.

[E-bmw]

Whilst I would never argue with Jon and his findings they are for fully snowed in roads & when do we actually have that here?

1 day in 27 years on average.

[Stupot123]

Driver101 said:

I do agree with not mixing tyres, but I've driven a few cars on mixed tyres and it has been ok. The handling has not been as extreme as that video.

A lot of people only put winter tyres on the front on FWD cars and I've not seen them spinning out.

Everything is always ok, right up to the point when it isn’t, and then it’s too late.

E-bmw said:

Whilst I would never argue with Jon and his findings they are for fully snowed in roads & when do we actually have that here?

1 day in 27 years on average.

So on that 1 day……


There are risks you take and there are risks you don’t, that crossover point is a personal decision.

We are talking here about critical safety with fairly minimal cost.

Id have to question someone’s judgement willing to take chances with their life only replacing 2 tyres instead of 4 for the sake of circa a few hundred pounds. Especially if it’s just to eek out a few extra months of wear.

Base level common sense, no?

[ninjag]

I've been running Hankook Kinergy 4S on all four corners for just over a year now and only had a day of snow last year and a day of snow this year to use them in. To be honest, I've not really noticed much of a difference in snow compared to the previous Eagle 5's I had on. The car has a pretty decent AWD and traction control system though, perhaps that helps.

Where I have noticed a big difference is in the wet. The Hankook's give me less confidence in the rain and I can feel the steering wheel go lighter much quicker and also it does so at lower speeds. There's also been a few slips with subsequent underwear soilage as well. I don't trust them. Once they wear out (which is taking ages) I'm staying away from All Seasons, besides, it hardly snows here. They are noisy as well.


Interesting video below and I'm surprised the back end didn't lose it with the FWD car,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRYHlb61_9Q

[Evanivitch]

Stupot123 said:

So on that 1 day……

There are risks you take and there are risks you don’t, that crossover point is a personal decision.

We are talking here about critical safety with fairly minimal cost.

Id have to question someone’s judgement willing to take chances with their life only replacing 2 tyres instead of 4 for the sake of circa a few hundred pounds. Especially if it’s just to eek out a few extra months of wear.

Base level common sense, no?

In a thread on "all seasons" tyres which by very definition are a compromise, you've chosen an odd hill to die on. What's the difference in a fee hundred quid for a second set of wheels with winter tyres on?

[Stupot123]

Evanivitch said:

In a thread on "all seasons" tyres which by very definition are a compromise, you've chosen an odd hill to die on. What's the difference in a fee hundred quid for a second set of wheels with winter tyres on?

I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, genuinely, if you want to elaborate I will try my best to help you?

My comments have purely been around fitting different types of tyres on different axles, whether that be standard, all season or winter. At no point do you want either end of the car to have vastly different grip levels to the other, it’s stupidity, don’t do it.

I haven’t commented even slightly on the merits or otherwise of the different categories.

I have experience of them all, if you have a specific query again I will try and help you? If I have misread your post and it’s not help you are looking for and you were just trying to be argumentative and smart I bid you good day!

[Evanivitch]

Stupot123 said:

I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, genuinely, if you want to elaborate I will try my best to help you?

Stupot123 said:

We are talking here about critical safety with fairly minimal cost.

You could make the same argument for having an entirely separate set of summer and winter tyres.

Or argue that all tyres should have minimum 3 mm treat.

You've drawn your own line on what is "minimal cost" for "critical safety". Other people draw the line in a very different place. The insurance and the Construction and Use Regs don't support your position.

[Stupot123]

Evanivitch said:

You could make the same argument for having an entirely separate set of summer and winter tyres.

Or argue that all tyres should have minimum 3 mm treat.

You've drawn your own line on what is "minimal cost" for "critical safety". Other people draw the line in a very different place. The insurance and the Construction and Use Regs don't support your position.

I am trying my best here to give advice to help others from personal experience.

Again, I genuinely don’t know what your point is, although again I will try my best to help.

At no point was I making an argument.

From an advice point of view, it is probably quite prudent to change tyres earlier than the minimum legal limit, your 3mm example is quite sensible for standard tyres, potentially ok too for all seasons, but probably too low for winters, Germany use 4mm as a guidance for them.

I specifically mention that you make your own decision on risk, my line might not be your line.

Stupot123 said:

There are risks you take and there are risks you don’t, that crossover point is a personal decision.

Re insurance and construction and use regulations, I think you are going on a touch of a tangent there, just because a trade or industry body doesn’t have an issue with something doesn’t mean you should take risk yourself. You should make your own judgement on where common sense starts and stops.

Pleased do me a favour, if you are going to reply make it valuable to others.

[stevemcs]

If you are worried about mixing, have a look at a taxi. They usually visit part worn heaven and have a summer, winter, and a couple of summers all of different brands.

[trevalvole]

Evanivitch said:

journeymanpro said:

wyson said:

Wow, pica, surprised. Usually your advice is so sensible.

No body is saying it's sensible to do it but that doesn't mean you must not do it.

Precisely. No MUST legally or in insurance.

Not sure about the no MUST for insurance - it depends who you are insured with and what the policy says:

"Most motor insurers do not charge additional premiums for vehicles fitted with winter tyres, provided that the tyres are roadworthy and have been fitted in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions."

from https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosin...

And contacting those insurers who require you to inform them and it coming out that they are only fitted on some wheels might be an interesting conversation.

[rev-erend]

I put winter tyres on an R53 Cooper S. They were exceptional in winter and spring but in summer were noisy, very soft so you got some vague handling and higher wear.

[Evanivitch]

trevalvole said:

Not sure about the no MUST for insurance - it depends who you are insured with and what the policy says:

"Most motor insurers do not charge additional premiums for vehicles fitted with winter tyres, provided that the tyres are roadworthy and have been fitted in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions."

from https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosin...

And contacting those insurers who require you to inform them and it coming out that they are only fitted on some wheels might be an interesting conversation.

Here's a quote from a Kia owners manual. Pick holes in that.

Kia said:

Your vehicle is equipped with tires
designed to provide safe ride and
handling capability. Do not use a size
and type of tire and wheel that is
different from the one that is origi‐
nally installed on your vehicle. It can
affect the safety and performance
of your vehicle, which could lead to
steering failure or rollover and seri‐
ous injury. When replacing the tires,
be sure to equip all four tires with
the tire and wheel of the same size,
type, tread, brand and load-carrying
capacity. If you nevertheless decide
to equip your vehicle with any tire/
wheel combination not recommen‐
ded by Kia for off road driving, you
should not use these tires for high‐
way driving.