Churchill tyres. Anyone heard of them? Any good?
Discussion
As stated, Bonds own label imports, probably from China and probably very very cheap.
Tyres are a classic case of 'you get what you pay for'. These will be cheap and for a specific type of customer that wants the cheapest possible thing to get through an MOT etc.
I wouldn't personally, but plenty do..
Tyres are a classic case of 'you get what you pay for'. These will be cheap and for a specific type of customer that wants the cheapest possible thing to get through an MOT etc.
I wouldn't personally, but plenty do..
MitchT said:
RayDonovan said:
These will be cheap and for a specific type of customer that wants the cheapest possible thing to get through an MOT etc.
Understandable on a shed, but on a car that cost £40k new and is currently being marketed for around £23k? Not an acceptable approach really.
ts about the tyres? I sold cars for 5 years or so and can count on one hand how many customers asked about the brand of tyres on a used car...I agree, it's not acceptable in some respects but the garage has provided a car with legal tyres that meet UK legislation to be sold.
To add, either negotiate some new rubber on the deal or change them yourself when you get the car.
MitchT said:
Also, I can’t tell if these tyres are run-flat or not. If they aren’t then technically the car is “modified”, which complicates things from an insurance perspective.
It's worth double checking, but I don't think any insurance companies bother if you replace the runflats with normal tyres. Most owners end up doing it as it makes a huge difference. I've not heard anyone having an issue with their insurance company. Driver101 said:
MitchT said:
Also, I can’t tell if these tyres are run-flat or not. If they aren’t then technically the car is “modified”, which complicates things from an insurance perspective.
It's worth double checking, but I don't think any insurance companies bother if you replace the runflats with normal tyres. Most owners end up doing it as it makes a huge difference. I've not heard anyone having an issue with their insurance company. talksthetorque said:
sorry for dragging this one out of the weeds
OP, Did you buy the car. I think I may be looking at it now. ( 435xd)
Was it from a "car supermarket" type of dot com place.
No, didn't buy the car. It was a 420i and I really want a 440i, but this one was so nice I might have bought it if it'd had the Goodyear Eagle F1s that they have from the factory. Not a car supermarket - an independent near Harrogate that scores 4.9 on Trust Pilot across 405 reviews, so the vast majority of customers are happy. Certainly not some stack-em-high and sell-em-cheap place, but the budget tyres cast enough doubt into my mind that I couldn't bring myself to take it any further.OP, Did you buy the car. I think I may be looking at it now. ( 435xd)
Was it from a "car supermarket" type of dot com place.
I'm another one who zooms in on pics and passes on by if some cheap rubbish or all sorts are fitted, also handy to see the general condition of discs and calipers through the wheels if the pics are clear enough.
Am yet to find Double Happiness proudly adorning a car, but have seen them fitted to an artic tanker.
Am yet to find Double Happiness proudly adorning a car, but have seen them fitted to an artic tanker.
E-bmw said:
Even though I do bang on about tyres, personally it wouldn't put me off, I would be factoring the replacement cost into any offer if I like the car though.
I did consider this but the price was very strong anyway. Really it was at the top end of the price range for comparable Approved Used BMWs. I'd firstly have had to factor in that it wasn't an Approved Used BMW and, therefore, had a crappy RAC warranty that wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on (read the Trust Pilot reviews) instead of the comprehensive 12 month BMW warranty... then another £800 to replace all four tires. I'd have to have made a very cheeky offer!MitchT said:
E-bmw said:
Even though I do bang on about tyres, personally it wouldn't put me off, I would be factoring the replacement cost into any offer if I like the car though.
I did consider this but the price was very strong anyway. I'd have to have made a very cheeky offer!
Tye Green said:
I had 4 Churchills on my SLK and mate quipped "we'll fight them on the beaches ...... we'll fight them in the ditches"..... yet they worked fine!!
there's more bullst about tyres than just about every other product out there!
they're black, round and made or rubber and every design is a compromise.
the level of grip that a particular compound or sidewall stiffness etc will likely provide in any particular environment has no effect on the production cost, and the most significant factors in the retail cost are the marketing budgets,'brand value' and profit margin.
there's no such things as 'budget' 'midrange' 'premium' . these are constructs created by the industry so we have something to talk about. there are only 'profit margins'.
Ignore anyone who dismisses a tyre choice based upon the country of manufacture (currently it's China but a few years ago it was Korea / Japan etc)
ignore any review based upon price.
ignore any tyre review at all unless it's of a particular tyre used on the same vehicle that you are concerned with.
ignore any comment which is along the lines of "it's your only connection with the road - buy the best you can"
DO listen to someone who has the same vehicle / tyre size as you and can provide feedback such as warm weather grip when used in the environment you will use it in / wet weather grip / longevity / etc (or whatever is important to you) remember, almost everything that you hear or read about tyres and politics is from someone who is trying to make a living by telling you that bit of information!
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I had to say a big Thank you for this post. there's more bulls
t about tyres than just about every other product out there!they're black, round and made or rubber and every design is a compromise.
the level of grip that a particular compound or sidewall stiffness etc will likely provide in any particular environment has no effect on the production cost, and the most significant factors in the retail cost are the marketing budgets,'brand value' and profit margin.
there's no such things as 'budget' 'midrange' 'premium' . these are constructs created by the industry so we have something to talk about. there are only 'profit margins'.
Ignore anyone who dismisses a tyre choice based upon the country of manufacture (currently it's China but a few years ago it was Korea / Japan etc)
ignore any review based upon price.
ignore any tyre review at all unless it's of a particular tyre used on the same vehicle that you are concerned with.
ignore any comment which is along the lines of "it's your only connection with the road - buy the best you can"
DO listen to someone who has the same vehicle / tyre size as you and can provide feedback such as warm weather grip when used in the environment you will use it in / wet weather grip / longevity / etc (or whatever is important to you) remember, almost everything that you hear or read about tyres and politics is from someone who is trying to make a living by telling you that bit of information!
I just spent two hours driving to view a car and left after less than five minutes having seen amongst other things, the tyres fitted which included Churchills on the rear. I had not heard of the brand before but knew instantly they were not ones I would consider suitable for a 500bhp RWD vehicle. Driving home though doubts started to creep in and I wondered if I had perhaps been a tad too hasty, hence the web search and finding of this thread.
Reading the above, and so assuming the current owner is a similar "thinker", having fitted such rubber, it is safe to conclude that they are utterly clueless. I'll wager also that the car has never seen a drip of premium fuel, engine not warmed/cooled properly, paintwork never detailed. Etc...
So, I now know I made absolutely the right decision to walk away, all doubts are gone.
Rather than start a new thread along a similar vein:
Bought a learner car for our son, an eight year old Peugeot 108. Truly immaculate condition and only 49000 miles on it, but the tyres!
3 different makes of varying wear and pressures, made by such renowned manufacturers as Sunwide,
Comforser & Grenlander. These will be binned ASAP and it will get 4 brand new decent tyres such as Toyo, Kumho or Hankook. Something that will go around corners and stop where you intend to when it's raining.
I don't follow the herd on here that insist on the latest Michelin Pilot Sport xx on everything but I do believe that if a tyre is made by a brand I've never heard of I'll not (or my family will not) be driving on them.
Anybody want a set of mismatched part worn zero pedigree tyres?
Bought a learner car for our son, an eight year old Peugeot 108. Truly immaculate condition and only 49000 miles on it, but the tyres!
3 different makes of varying wear and pressures, made by such renowned manufacturers as Sunwide,
Comforser & Grenlander. These will be binned ASAP and it will get 4 brand new decent tyres such as Toyo, Kumho or Hankook. Something that will go around corners and stop where you intend to when it's raining.
I don't follow the herd on here that insist on the latest Michelin Pilot Sport xx on everything but I do believe that if a tyre is made by a brand I've never heard of I'll not (or my family will not) be driving on them.
Anybody want a set of mismatched part worn zero pedigree tyres?
Bobupndown said:
I don't follow the herd on here that insist on the latest Michelin Pilot Sport xx on everything
I haven't heard anyone say that, certainly not a herd of them, but many that say something along the lines of "don't fit sh!t tyres, fit good ones that you can find/afford".Bobupndown said:
but I do believe that if a tyre is made by a brand I've never heard of I'll not (or my family will not) be driving on them.
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