CAR CLEANINIG!
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waxaholic said:
belleair302 said:
trv8 said:
What a complete load of crap.
For somebody who adds so little to the community via posts your comments carry no weight.The world of forums i guess the more posts and replies someone writes and online "friends" they make turns them into an "expert" , and may possibly not even practice what they preach and who would ever know (not intended at anyone above just a general view) i wrote a wet sand removal thread around 2-3 years ago on Detailing world , after reading many times it CANT be done from so many Pro "experts" on such forums giving complex reasons why (still now a few "PROS" say it cant be done and its a gimick), then a year or 2 later many detailers and hobby guys NOW wet sand in one form or another to help remove defects.
Kelly
LordGrover said:
Ah. So because my post count is higher than yours my opinion has greater validity? Good news. 
Damn - I'm going to have to listen to what you say now 
kds keltec said:
after reading many times it CANT be done from so many Pro "experts" on such forums giving complex reasons why (still now a few "PROS" say it cant be done and its a gimick)
Hard to believe that there was so much resistance from other detailers. Wet sanding has been around for many years in one form or another. It just takes a bit of learning to do it safely and well (it also helps if you know when it's not appropriate to do it).JDs Paul said:
Hard to believe that there was so much resistance from other detailers. Wet sanding has been around for many years in one form or another. It just takes a bit of learning to do it safely and well (it also helps if you know when it's not appropriate to do it).
You would think so , but i could link to many threads from a few years back of well regarded companys saying "dont wet sand because of this and because of that , even it does not remove ornage peel and only makes for nices photos on websites and forums" normally this is from company's and persons who at the time did not under take wet sanding , but funny alot more do now Proberly the best known well regarded detailing company in the country (known as a whole business not one man band) posted replies to wet sanding thread question, saying it does not remove orange peel as its in the base colour coat , then told the person asking the question to wet sand the lacquer till fully removed then flat down the colour coat to remove orange peel then re lacquer , i came back with proper sensible replys with many examples of what when and how , and explaining why they are wrong (in the nicest way) but they kept on argueing , even after i explained about blending and wet sanding joining areas to remove/hide joins and blends going on all over the country every day in bodyshops , and this means that all those bodyshops are wrong too .
so then thursday KDS gets a call from a DW member along way from us but close to same company in question , asking about advice to remove orange from his BMW , the reason for the calls were because the company again said it does not remove orange , even after the bmw onwer had pointed out kds wet sanding work to just what he is asking to be done .
The outcome was that the bmw onwer was shocked to hear this from well known company prolific presence on forums and detailing and made his own mind up that its was not correct information from them , to be far was shocked.
Of course said company does not offer full wet sand details to remove orange peel , but are more known than KDS so could well make them more of an expert company than us .
You can only really question / give advice on a subject once you have done the research and put it into practice many times over to see the results and outcome for yourself .
Kelly
trv8 said:
belleair302 said:
Anything NOT on sale on the high street is worth buying. Anything available on the high street is not going to be any good for your car.
What a complete load of crap.take megs sold in halfords - the pro range is cheaper and better - larger bottles as well - available from many motor factors so you don't have to use overpriced 'detailing suppliers'
also never seen good carnauba wax on the high street - eg dodo supernatural or in fact any other dodo products?
some auto glym products are superb esp the bumper care which i've found to be better than any specialist products
also the 'new' nano tech sealants are not seen on the high street
best buy from the 'high street' at the moment are the large Asda microfibre 'fleeces' - 2 for £5 - better than many 'named' products - ditto Costco yellow microfibre cloths in 'bundles'
wash properly ,traffic film remover then shampoo,dry , polish, wax ,do windows, do wheels don,t forget door shuts do interior. As for products watch for the local valeting supplier (auto smart, neilsen chems etc)or internet. Will be semi bulk qtys but over a year or so so much cheaper,They will also give good advice. If your car is fully cleaned and protected with decent wax it will be so easy to keep clean,but do not under any circumstances " steam clean" the engine bay ,modern electrics don't like it and you will probably have all sorts of electrical gremlins in the next 12 months
JDs Paul said:
kds keltec said:
after reading many times it CANT be done from so many Pro "experts" on such forums giving complex reasons why (still now a few "PROS" say it cant be done and its a gimick)
Hard to believe that there was so much resistance from other detailers. Wet sanding has been around for many years in one form or another. It just takes a bit of learning to do it safely and well (it also helps if you know when it's not appropriate to do it). ) but way back before it was even called 'detailing' I used to wet sand my cars after I'd resprayed them as there was always a bit of orange peal (and a few dead flies, etc 
) even when a friend gave me his Devilbis gun to replace the cheapo one I started with. If I left any of the original factory paint on show it looked positively lumpy by comparison and I had to wet sand that to match 'my' finish.I don't know where I read it (pre internet and all that) but I knew that I had to use shampoo or hand soap rubbed onto the 1200 grade (the highest I could get at the time) to help the W&D glide over the surface. Seeing as this was upto 20 years ago (and I'm no way claiming I was the first to do it) I find it laughable that there are some companies today that say it can't be done and it is a gimick.
Have to say it's much easier these days that I have a rotary, decent heads and modern polishes instead of T-cut with a damp cloth and SRP by hand: It took me about a month to wet sand and polish a black XR3i I resprayed once and by the time I'd finished the wheel arches were bubbling with rust again.
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